Nasrallah Says Hizbullah Ready To Fight Israel

Nasrallah Says Hizbullah Ready To Fight Israel

www.ynetnews.com

'Lebanon war was just a walk in the park compared to what we have in store for you,' Hizbullah leader says in speech Wednesday. Nasrallah also slams Mubarak for refusing to open Rafah crossing.

During his address Nasrallah mocked Israeli calls for toppling Hamas: "I say to Olmert, the failed leader who was defeated in Lebanon – you can never beat Hamas and Hizbullah."

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Hezbollah raising their pressure too? - Propaganda or real threat --- Impossible to know from side positions.

Whats truth? If Israel doesnt accept truce now, eacalation to this crisis is very near, almost inevitable. Nasrallah could get him self is accused by collaborating with Israel, if something is not done soon.

Rage in streets of Lebanon raises from day to day... And because they have success in their clear memory, that give sense of power, even that maybe faulse in real.

Situation stays tense.

www.ynetnews.com
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[edit on 7-1-2009 by JanusFIN]

Propaganda.

Israel has strengthened up forces at its northern border as precautionary measure in case of a Hezbollah strike. However, I don't think the moment (strategically speaking) is right for Hezbollah. In contrast to Hamas, Hezbollah is a serious threat that has tripled its missile and rocket stock in two years time.

Should war between Israel and Iran break out, Israel will become under serious attack from both Iran and Hezbollah. Syria is less of a threat but you never know whether they'll take their chance of taking back the Golan heights.

In early 2008 they spoke about revenge for the assassination of one of their leaders:

The assassination of Hezbollah terrorist Imad Mugniyah was an act of vengeance, punishment and pre-emption that might extract a far greater cost in the future.

The assassination of Imad Mugniyah, the Hezbollah terrorist, in Damascus last week was a warning that even the most elusive prey can be hunted down -- given skill, determination and patience on the part of the hunter. The blast that dispatched Mr. Mugniyah, a top target for Israeli and American intelligence for most of three decades, was heard loud and clear by Khaled Mashal, the exiled political chief of Palestinian Hamas, who at the time was meeting with Syrian intelligence officers only a few hundred yards away.

Der Spiegel

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Mdv2]

It's actually getting quite scary, its like all the doomsday predictions people have been making about the middle east; Israel attacks Gaza, Iran & the arab nations attack israel, america and the west attack iran, then the wild card final round china or russia attack america. It does seems to be heading that way so far, all the players are playing their part - when israel has finished laying its pieces out on the table i wouldn't be surprised to see something surprising - i couldn't even begin to guess what it will be but it seems inevitable that something will happen.

Of course maybe everyone is blowing hot air, i suppose we'll see how far everyone is willing to go.

:edit for spelling, the middle east is NOT the middle easy, oh if only it were.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by NatureBoy]

reply to post by Mdv2


Hezbollah have not weapons, effective tactics to attack Israel. I have understand that Hezbollah has great value in defensive ground battle, but if they want to act toward Israel, they need to attack first. Where? They cant ask Israel to attack to their positions, but bomb them to pieces.

I see that this is more propaganda, but Hezbollah has value in politics too.

Big Picture, WW3?

- In greater picture Hezbollah can be also force in attacks, but then Syria and Iran needs to make assault... That takes time, even if they already decide to do something... no matter what, its not coming very near future - Army needs preparations to carry any successful attack; Time.

Where I would turn my head now, keep my eyes all the time,

- India-Pak situation. If escalation begins in large scale, which is possible, it will start over there, thats the big game - then we see how it just widens naturally to Israeli area.

- Balkan-Serbia, Kosovo is one of key areas how Russia-China axis will go forward. Balkan has always been reason for great wars.

- Ukraina-Georgia is waiting next scene in escalation.

- I see Turkmenistan has their words to say in geopolitical scene, how Afghanistan front can easily widen there too. Supply routes to Afghanistan is ticking time bomb.

- Then, maybe last but not least; SCO havent show any clear stance in any fronts now, and I have waited SCO statements like every day... When SCO makes some move, that have great impact to Global Game. People have look and ask question everywhere, but one key player is silent. - And thats really is scary thing.


Wars for water?

I have read about year ago very alarming news that Israel is running out of water, estimated to end in end of 2008. That means now! Do Israel need war against Damascus to get new water storages - possible?

Many ways this operation in Gaza looks like huge provocation for some another future war.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by JanusFIN]

Originally posted by JanusFIN
Hezbollah have not weapons, effective tactics to attack Israel.

I suppose you mean they do have effective weapons, because they certainly do. From modern anti-ship missiles and wire-guided anti tank systems to UAVs as well as new anti-air weapons.

This Russian site gives an explanation of the weapons Hezbollah had in 2006
Source

In the last two years they smuggled huge amounts of arms into Lebanon via Syria and believed to possess over 40,000 rockets and missiles.

Their tactics have, furthermore, been proved to be extremely effective against Israel.

reply to post by Mdv2


You are right, like I said also in my post... Hezbollah has great value in defensive ground battle

Yes. In defensive battle they have arms... But to attack you dont need missiles, mines, anti-this or anti-that... What you need is,

- Joint strike fighters
- Main Battle Tanks
- Armored APC:s
- Mobile units
- Special forces, paratroopers
- UAV:s
- Mobile Artillery, mortars...

Like I said, they cant attack, but how can they invite IDF to attack them?

BTW, Great thanks from good link!

[edit on 7-1-2009 by JanusFIN]

Hezbollah have the weapons - with RPG-29`s popping merkava-4`s , and ASCM`s hitting 2 warships , they pushed israel out of lebanon

but as for going down south to gaza? nah won`t happen.

not there fight

VERY SCARY 1+1+1=?

RUSSIAN FOREKNOWLEDGE?

- Old threads revisited...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Russia to give Lebanon 10 MiG-29 jets as gift

MOSCOW, Dec 17 (Reuters) - Russia will give 10 MiG-29 fighter jets to Lebanon as a gift, Russian news agencies quoted the head of Russia's Federal Military and Technical Cooperation Service as saying on Wednesday. "Russia's Defence Ministry has decided to supply 10 of its MiG-29 fighters to Lebanon as a form of military and technical assistance," Mikhail Dmitriyev was quoted as telling reporters. Moscow and Beirut were in talks on selling Lebanon armour for its ground forces...

wire.antiwar.com...

- And now is Russian Navy is in front of Israel with aircraft carrier...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Russian carrier-based aircraft to exercise in Greek airspace

ATHENS, January 2 (RIA Novosti) - Deck-based aviation of Russia's heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov will hold exercises in the Greek airspace in January, the Greek National Defense General Staff said on Friday.

en.rian.ru...


... And what Israel is doing in Lebanon today?

Tel Aviv has warned Hezbollah against intervening in the war on Gaza after Israeli fighter jets conducted overflights into Lebanon.

www.presstv.ir...


- What if they shoot down one of those Migs, or Lebanese shoots down one of F-16 ... Escalation against, not only Hezbollah, but Lebanon army too?


Truth is always different they tell us

[edit on 7-1-2009 by JanusFIN]

Basically from what I was taught back in my military days, air, land sea battle doctrine, if you own the skies you pretty much own your enemy, even though they might be able to win some ground battles with good infantry and artillery, I haven't done a lot of reading on the capabilities or air power of Iran, Syria or Lebanon or if their pilots are as skilled even with equal classes of aircraft, but I have read about the capability of Israel and it is very capable.

I am not sure if they really were trying to win a fight for their survival, why they would not be able to win in a war between any of its neighbors though since by all appearances their air arsenal, fighters, bombers, pilot training and skills are superior, I could be wrong, I hope that it never comes to this situation though.

[edit on 7-1-2009 by phinubian]

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They are believed to have air defense capabilities consisting of:

Manpads:
SA-14
SA-16
SA-18

and possibly

SA-8

During the meeting, the ministers were updated on continued Syrian transfers of advanced military hardware to Hezbollah, including air defense systems, in an effort to limit the freedom of operations of the Israeli air force in Lebanon, particularly in reconnaissance and surveillance operations.

Haaretz

This might explain why Israel started peace negotiations with Syria recently (have now been put on hold). It's really nice to have such a well equipped enemy at your northern border.

Great just when i think it cant get any more snipedup!!!

this is going to go way way crapper :/

We have to wait official response from Hezbollah! I am sure its coming any minute now.

No matter who was behid these rockets, Israeli mortar fire in first response will raise rage in people of Hezbollah.

If Israel dont want to escalate this war to Lebanon, why they didnt use any effort and time to ask from other side, "Was it you?" ...

Looks like Israel is eager to find reason to shoot Lebanon, Hezbollah.

its very odd indeed

I mean it seems to me they WANT war.. but wtf is the final goal in all this??

or is just blowing each other up just fun? or a fad or just something to do to pass the time???

Think ill play snap wit myself...seems more logical than this mess

I grow weary of all the tough talk from Hamas, Hizballah, and their puppeteers Iran.

For God's sake, if Hizballah wants a piece of Israel, let them jump! If Iran is capable of anything, just shut up and do it! As far as Hamas, well, I think everyone has seen how tough they are.

They do really well sneaking and skulking about, firing the random rocket and mortar every once in a while, but when their enemies are within rifle shot, they're so busy hiding behind the population, they can't even see the Israelis.

And that old trick to launch a rocket, and then send a kid out to retrieve the launcher sticks - man - that's just sick.

I don't think Hizballah will be able to surprise the Israelis the second time.

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IDF assesses Palestinian group fired the rockets but defense official says "nothing happens in Lebanon without Hizbullah's green light."

www.jpost.com...

This goes with Israeli official logic, "Someone shot us, so we kill them all..."

Collective punishments are crimes!

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Your warmongering is discusting. I understand war as weapom, as political tool, but there has to be sense, goals, achievements... Rules of engagement. Waging war needs most responsibility than any other behavior of mankind.

reply to post by JanusFIN


Janus, you have no idea what you're talking about when you suggest that in war, there has to be some rules of engagement. You clearly have never, ever been shot at, never been engaged in mortal combat, or you would know better.

No one in combat gives a damn about rules of engagement. Your sole purpose is killing this one person, and living through the experience. And when that one is done, engaging another, and another until all your enemies are dead.

It's fine to sit from your self-induced plane of morality, but if you were actually there, all your ideals would be out the window, forever, your first day out - assuming you survived.

Rules of engagement. Yeah. "Kill everyone that isn't dressed like you" has been the primary rule of engagement for the past three millennia, and actually, it works.

Thanks for the link.

Im reading updates about it and reading this tread..

Still not on the main page of the BBC yet

I would think israel bombing "attacking" whatever leb would be kinda headline news

This is very very bad

Originally posted by JanusFIN
reply to post by theresult

 

IDF assesses Palestinian group fired the rockets but defense official says "nothing happens in Lebanon without Hizbullah's green light."

www.jpost.com...

This goes with Israeli official logic, "Someone shot us, so we kill them all..."

Collective punishments are crimes!

You seen my post on the other forum.. I knew soon as i heard rockets from leb had hit israel.. this was hizballah..

now we have a 2 war thing going on here.. and one of the wars involves a sovrign state "lebenon"

how is the goverment going to reacto to this???

more i think about this the more messy it gets...

Happy 2009 oh welll i can still dream i guess