Blair and World against Hamas despite Gaza death toll

Blair and World against Hamas despite Gaza death toll

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STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Tony Blair calls for end to the smuggling of weapons and finance to Hamas
Blair is an envoy for Mideast Quartet -- representing U.N., U.S., EU and Russia
Israel: Any cease-fire must guarantee "real quiet"
Hamas: No intention of stopping the rocket fire toward Israel

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people talk about disproportion of the isreali attackes but when I see disproportion, I think of two years of rockets landing in israel everyday. I dont see any other country doing different. There was no occupation of Gaza, Israel left. Instead of building an economy hamas wants to destory Israel.
Hamas had the choice to do a a cease fire but they opted for war. When you ask war, you get war. The fact that 75% of the death toll are hamas combatants, I think is an amazing victory for the preciseness of the Israeli airforce. Also take into account that hamas killed 40 fatah members this week in gaza and injured over 100.

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Originally posted by Dracula23The fact that 75% of the death toll are hamas combatants, I think is an amazing victory for the preciseness of the Israeli airforce.

any chance of a source for this figure?

yes, CNN fox news and MSNBC. all you have to do is go to their sites...

which of them has reporters on the ground? i would like to get first hand reports.

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al gezira reported the same thing. maybe you can take thier word for it since its a muslim news station.
english.aljazeera.net...

yeah, no worries, i'll take any source at this stage!!! seriously, can i have a link to a story reporting that figure? your al jazerra link is just the front page!!

[edit on 6/1/09 by pieman]

I think you will also find numerous threads stating, many with sources, that Hamas did accept the ceasefire. It was infact Israel who broke the cease fire and Hamas fired rockets in retaliation.

Even in those reports Israel was attacking rocket smuggling tunnels or Hamas militants. Much different then Hamas reacting by sending 80 rockets a day at isreali civilians. Wouldn’t you agree?

No, since an attack is an attack. Whether it is on the government, or on a civillain, it is still an attack.

Most weapons that reach Palestine will be smuggled because Israel wont happily let weapons through.

Hamas rockets are unguided, if they hit civillians it is by chance. Israels rockets are intetionally guided.


Neither side is free from blame I musdt say...but...

i think you'll actually find that a cease fire is intended to be a cessation of all fire!! so any chance of those links i requested?

Dude im not going to waist 5 minutes on my life to find the exact link for you. If it interests you search the site yourself. Its their in Big letters…

and to your answer "if attack is an attack" then people in Gaza should stop whining about the disproportion of the israeli attacks.

Why should they? They tried to reach a cease fire...Israel would not allow it.

By that logic, a 12 year old should not complain if he was attacked by ten 30 year olds without provocation. Simply because when the first one hit him, he hit back.

Don't say it isn't the same, I am simply putting things into a very simple logic, easy to understand for all.

ahhhhhh, you can't find one, thought not. here's some big letters for you,

cop out

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"GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli warplanes rained more than 100 tons of bombs on security installations in Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 230 people in one of the bloodiest days in decades of the mideast conflict. The government said the open-ended campaign was aimed at stopping rocket and mortar attacks that have traumatized southern Israel.
More than 400 people were also wounded. Most of the casualties were security forces, but Palestinian officials said at least 15 civilians were among the dead."

do the Math, here is a link
news.yahoo.com...

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Point being Even if Hamas didn’t start the ceasefire, which they did that’s why the western countries are condemning them and considering them a terrorist group. I think we all can simply tell the difference between a terror group attacking civilians as a response to an attack of an army official.

Hmm let me think, who is the good guy here? The Guy Shooting rockets at civilians or the guy attacking an adult with an M16…

Originally posted by Dracula23
do the Math, here is a link
news.yahoo.com...

where exactly in you link does it give a figure 75% or even a figure that adds up to 75%?

by the way, that link is dated December 27th, today is January 6th, try harder.

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are you kidding me? how much % is 15 people out of 200?
have you been at school?

Woah woah woah... unguided you don't shoot them at anyone.

You fire them in the general direction they should go, and they randomly land.

As opposed to israels rockets and bombs which are far more guided, and aimed at civillian areas.

Hamas didn't break the ceasefire, Israel did...but ok. I assume thats what you mean, because nobody should be condemed for STARTing the ceasefire.


The good guy is entirely based on opinion, Britain was the 'good' guy in world war two. Yet in return for the Blits in England we bombed huge parts of Germany, including childrens fairs, a church choir of children was even gunned down. Yet we were 'good'. Entirely down to opinion...

25% of 200 is 50!!
15 out of 200 is 7.5%!!

eh, school?