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U.S. In Technical Default?

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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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Does anyone know if this is accurate?

www.homelandstupidity.us...


Last week the U.S. government’s debt exceeded the debt ceiling of $8.18 trillion, passing $8.19 trillion as of Thursday, putting the government in technical default. Put in simple terms you and I can understand, the government went over its limit.

The statutory debt ceiling is the maximum amount that the U.S. government can by law borrow in order to pay ongoing expenses.


I'm starting to buy into the theory of hyper-inflation. They are bound to start printing money like there's no tomorrow, it's the only way they can "cover" the costs of Obama's tax-cuts, which mean lost revenue, or his spending plans to generate jobs.

I just don't see any answers here. Where will this end?

What about our credit rating?

www.populistamerica.com...


In mid-December, the Fed lowered its key rates, putting downward pressure on the U.S. dollar and raising the specter of high inflation. However, sensing the possible sale of long-dated Treasuries, Fed chairman Bernanke took the unusual step of assuring investors that the Fed was likely to buy large amounts of long-dated Treasuries. This caused renewed investor faith in long Treasuries. With Treasury demand thus stimulated, I do not expect a near term rally in corporate debt instruments.

The longer view however is much different. As Fed Chairman Bernanke beckons investors towards long-dated Treasuries, the danger on the rocks is being consistently ignored.

And although these bonds may indeed remain strong for now, it is likely that the revered U.S. Treasury market is becoming the next asset bubble ripe for explosion. Such a dramatic development could be caused by a number of fundamental reasons.

First, as the recession deepens, it will become apparent to all that the Fed has no will to fight inflation. Worse still, it will likely be seen that the U.S. Administration is diverting its vast resources away from restructuring and infrastructure spending towards the potentially inflationary, socialist-style prevention of restructuring through the subsidization of clinically dead companies, like the U.S. auto industry.

Second, the Government can be expected to issue vast amounts of additional long-term debt. Third, foreign central banks will be forced to spend internally on their own domestic stimulus packages. These major investors, especially China, will buy progressively less U.S. Treasuries and may even become major net sellers, driving prices down.

Finally, if America loses its prestigious triple-A credit rating, the prices of its Treasury bonds will plummet



[edit on 6/1/2009 by kosmicjack]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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Checking numbers......

This Charade will continue only as long as Japan and China allow it to...

It is really only a matter of time before the credit rating of USA is lowered..

[edit on 6-1-2009 by RolandBrichter]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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The question is... Does anyone believe the economy is the way it is merely by happenstance? Or do they see the large amounts forced into the banking system (at present waiting to flood the economy) as a planned effort?

We, I suspect, are being BLEEPED up the BLEEP.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by RolandBrichter
Checking numbers......

This Charade will continue only as long as Japan and China allow it to...

It is really only a matter of time before the credit rating of USA is lowered..

[edit on 6-1-2009 by RolandBrichter]


there is a reason china and japan are fueling it tho

because if they didnt, their own economy would collapse

since in reality there is only 1 economy now, the global economy



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Second, the Government can be expected to issue vast amounts of additional long-term debt. Third, foreign central banks will be forced to spend internally on their own domestic stimulus packages. These major investors, especially China, will buy progressively less U.S. Treasuries and may even become major net sellers, driving prices down.


I think this is probably the scariest part of this whole mess in my opinion
If nobody is buying T bills where will the real money come from that Obama will need to prime the pump?

If China is able to turn their new wealth inwards and create a buying consumer market then they may be able to head off these so called future riots

I think China has learned it's lesson over the past few years and maybe have gotten burned. Lets see if they can goat them into buying more I hope so for our sake.
otherwise can anybody say

Bread line.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Old News from 2006. I reported on it here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

The debt ceiling has since been raised (more than once) and currently sits at well over $10 trillion. If I'm not mistaken, the "bailout" bill had some fine print that raised the ceiling to just over $11 trillion. All of this is not counting private debt, municipal, state or corporate debt. Nor does it take into account future obligations (i.e. medicare and social security).

The total of all that is approaching $60 trillion!!! Michael Hodges
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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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The thing is why should the largest bestest economy in the world need a deficit? Deficits are for times of emergency, not everyday practice.


Didn't this start with Reagan or atleast get into high gear back in the 80s to get the economy going with Reagannomics even though we were not at war.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Actually it started with Eisenhower. He was the first republican president to use deficit economics in time of peace. And we've been suffering by this deadly practice for a long time now.


I don't know how many posts I've made about this. hyperinflation is coming, by mid-2009 we will be in total default whether we raise the debt ceiling or not, foreign creditors is what counts. And they won't take our largely devalued paper to satisfy their needs. That is why foreign governments are quietly dumping dollars. I know that I sound like a broken record, but every story that comes out like this one only proves me right time and time again.

But this is old...It has since been raised much higher(To no avail).

[edit on 6-1-2009 by projectvxn]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Oops! You're right, I should have checked the by-line on the blog post. And the ATS search, which I usually do. Except this once.
Thanks.

So I guess the world didn't end once we went into technical default...or did it?



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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...the U.S. Administration is diverting its vast resources away from restructuring and infrastructure spending towards the potentially inflationary, socialist-style prevention of restructuring through the subsidization of clinically dead companies, like the U.S. auto industry.
'Clinically dead companies'. I like that expression! Here in Silicon Valley, Venture Capitalists call startups that continually suck money and never get off the ground 'zombies'.

The question I keep hearing over and over is; "Where is this funny money coming from?". Oddly enough the states have to operate under real accounting rules, they can't print money, they're government, and they're going bankrupt by the Billions.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by RolandBrichter
Checking numbers......

This Charade will continue only as long as Japan and China allow it to...

It is really only a matter of time before the credit rating of USA is lowered..

there is a reason china and japan are fueling it tho

because if they didnt, their own economy would collapse

since in reality there is only 1 economy now, the global economy
 


Quite correct, RolandBrichter:

That is why I am increasingly of the belief all major currencies are about to be devalued - to devalue the debt - and all major assets will be re-written upwards. (ex. gold)

JK

[edit on 7-1-2009 by leo123]



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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I see what your saying but who do you think is going to call us on our notes for payment? Japan already is looking into forgiving some of our debt because it knows if we fall they are in deep stuff that smells.

The scary part is war is the only thing that will help us get out of this debt and they know that.



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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The US has some really major assets, and believe me, a lot of them are being sold off and mortgaged as you read this.

Has anyone tried to ask this question: if everyone everywhere is down and mired in debt, isn't it all relative. That may be more than a hypothetical question in the coming year.

The US may lose it's Triple A credit rating, but when everyone else is down to two or one, it's a leveled playing field.

As bad as it looks for the US, places like Russia and Iran are at the edge of a precipice. Spending like no tomorrow as oil prices kept going up, their economies are tanking. China's been hit hard, Europe is in rougher shape than they let on, and things are pretty bleak all around.

The US is still the major producer/consumer with an annual GDP something like $15 trillion. It has more resilience, and if it gets back on an innovtion edge, has some chance of bouncing back.

There is money around, it's just not moving anywhere right now. The standby secure places to put it don't offer the security they once did. Probably more is sitting in bank accounts in London and Switzerland than any time in history.

A new economic model will have so evolve, and no one can quite say what it will be like.

A lot of financial experts will tell you, ut we've seen how accurate they've been.


Mike F



posted on Jan, 7 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by whoshotJR
I see what your saying but who do you think is going to call us on our notes for payment? Japan already is looking into forgiving some of our debt because it knows if we fall they are in deep stuff that smells.

The scary part is war is the only thing that will help us get out of this debt and they know that.


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whoshotJR:

It's obviously not only a moving target at this time, it is fluid as hell - so it's anybody's guess at this time.

But I am becoming more and more convinced this is a stretegy they will pursue.

JK



posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

As bad as it looks for the US, places like Russia and Iran are at the edge of a precipice. Spending like no tomorrow as oil prices kept going up, their economies are tanking. China's been hit hard, Europe is in rougher shape than they let on, and things are pretty bleak all around.

Mike F



Agreed, but other countries such as Russia, Iran, China, etc have a much shorter distance to fall as far as standard of living goes....Americans have forgotten (for the most part) how to supply themselves with even the most basic items of survival...they rely way to much on government...it will make the crisis (in human terms) much more painful for them, than for other populations that are more self reliant.....



posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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As Gools said, the link in the OP is old news. Sorry.

Anyway, now our debt tops $1 trillion. If someone wants to start a thread about where the hell we are going to get the money to pay that and fund a stimulus package...feel free.

This thread should be closed.



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