Hamas brutalizes internal enemies

Nobody has claimed they arn't. What they are claiming is that this is something that happens under most governments...

It is not surprising this is happening.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
The US and UK does not do that. Only cowardly dogs who are afraid to fight face to face do that.

You summed up Irael in this opperation perfectly. Airstrikes on defencelss people and artillery bombardment (including White Phospherous!). Cowards if ever!

There are many suppressed stories of US Marines rapeing family members (as young as five!) in frot of Iraqi families to get them to talk, also killing them and torturing them untill someone tells them something.

As mentioned about the IRA, there were many government ordered execuations, which also involved witnesses being silenced (aka the family members present at time). What makes any story of Hamas taking out Fatah members any worse than the acts our governments have carried out in the past?

Also what makes this souce credible? For all we know it is either Israel or Fatah (or both), looking for some propeganda to make Hamas look evil and deserved of a beating from Israel.

reply to post by MikeboydUS

I don't have a Christmas Tree mate. How can you call Fatah traitors? Especially their wives and children? Who are We? Why is We not concerned with Hamas killing and maiming Palestinian women and children?

No Christmas tree? Too bad.

Hamas killing the wives and children of Fatah official? Did you put a link up or should we take your word for it?

Again you forget the atrocities happening in Gaza right now. Women and children by the hundreds are getting maimed and killed at the hands of Israelis.

reply to post by Saf85

There are many suppressed stories of US Marines rapeing family members (as young as five!) in frot of Iraqi families to get them to talk, also killing them and torturing them untill someone tells them something.

Well, why don't you unsuppressed those stories and prove what you are saying?

How can you call Fatah traitors? Especially their wives and children?

I ask again, can you provide a link to a verifiable website showing that Hamas killed women and children associated to Fatah?

It's an eye opener.

Originally posted by jam321
Well, why don't you unsuppressed those stories and prove what you are saying?

No we will leave that to your congress who are hideing the evidence, we know it exists, because whistle blowers have let the US know they exists and where they are.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Hamas brutalizes internal enemies

www.israeltoday.co.il

At least 75 other Fatah men were shot in the legs and many more had their hands broken as a warning not to take advantage of the current war to remove Hamas from power.

Local Palestinians who were jailed for aiding Israel in past anti-terror operations fared far worse. Hamas officials admitted to executing at least 35 of these "collaborators" at detentions facilities across Gaza since the Israeli strikes began more than a week ago.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Course they do. Same in Britain. Dr Kelly 'committed suicide' when none of his forsensic clues indicated it. Conclusion, stand in the way of 'New' Labour, and they will murder you, no matter how right you are, provided of course they can get away with it politically, which with their 'cool' whispering campaigns makes it all the more likely. Socialism now is Nazi Socialism, Hamas style or Gordon Brown style.

Wouldn't Fatah trying to overthrow Hamas from power equal treason?

Having their hands broken to keep them from arming themselves, compared to the death penalty found in other countries seems a little more lenient.

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For Bob's sake there is a link on page one of this thread.

Sons of Hamas opponent shot dead in Gaza
www.independent.co.uk...

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

For Bob's sake there is a link on page one of this thread.

Sons of Hamas opponent shot dead in Gaza
www.independent.co.uk...

Yeah, big deal, most political parties destroy their opponents and enemies alike if they can. 'It does not matter what I do in power, rather what power I have.' - Blair, Bush, joint communique over Iraq.

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If you and others like you feel that everyone does these horrible things all the time, what is your objective?

Are you using these assumptions to excuse Hamas and terrorism? Do you feel that since others are believed to do it, then its ok for Hamas to do it?

What exactly is the goal here?

If you say all sides are at fault and side with no one, I can sympathize with that.

If its something else, then you and others like you have an agenda.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Originally posted by StevenDye
No, we took people, forced them to kneel on the streets, put guns to their heads and pulled the trigger, a slow, all knowing experience.

We fired into unarmed crowds, killing unarmed innocent people who put their arms up to surrender, killing people who we trying to help the wounded, shooting people in the back as they ran. Specifically targeted.

Why are we so much better?

We don't even know about all the things we have done in Ira and Afghanistan.

Those terrible events are not acceptable in our societies. They rarely happen.
People mention Waco. Waco was almost 16 years ago! 16 years! Bloody sunday was in 1972!

Your comparing isolated incidents in our past to chronic and current events involving Hamas.

I was in Iraq and Afghanistan. We did our best to be respectful to civilians and help people. We handed out humanitarian aid, school supplies, and toys. In our combat operations we were severely restricted when dealing with populated areas. We even had missions canceled due to the proximity of civilians.

Just want to say thank you for your service.

Hamas is a terrorist group period! They are barbarians who have brought a lot of pain to the Israeli's and Palestinians both. They need to be stopped
at all cost.

To compare the US military to Hamas is absurd. There are isolated incidents in all combat. Remember war is hell!!

You are presenting an illogical argument. One is bad so all are bad and to the same extent? It doesn't work. Even Hamas' leaders son turned on him, apparently he had seen enough of the atrocities perpetrated by his own father. Isn't that enough to show you how truly evil and misguided these people are?

Here is the thread regarding Hamas' leader and son
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread381493/pg1

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

For Bob's sake there is a link on page one of this thread.

Sons of Hamas opponent shot dead in Gaza
www.independent.co.uk...

The murder was strongly condemned by both Hamas and the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who described it as an "ugly crime" committed by a "bunch of bastards". But it is likely to fuel tensions between the two factions in the wake of collapsed coalition talks and warnings that Mr Abbas intends to call new elections despite opposition from Hamas.

Bob, Hamas condemned these murders along with Fatah. Could there be a third party involved maybe stirring the pot a little?

What about your 'women and children'? I took it to mean some kind of systematic slaughter like what Israel is currently doing in Gaza.