My Rant

On one end of the spectrum, you have fanatic idiots who will use any statements to defend Bush and his ridiculous wars. I call them "Parking Meter People". These people will take the absolute worst facts and somehow turn them into either rubbish, or positive, supportive comments in Bush's favor. These same people will use any facts they can twist and turn into negative things about anyone in the middle east, to further their stance. They're masters of denial and hardcore believers of half truths and lies. These are weak people who can't handle the truth, so they make up their own reality, ignoring the less than comfortable facts that may cause a stress overload on their poor, overworked, little minds. I don't need to mention any names. You know who you are. Most of you tend to use that "liberal" label for anyone who doesn't share your idea of patriotism. If you tell them they're in denial, they'll tell you they're not. They think America can do no wrong.

Then, on the opposite end, you have those who think everything is a conspiracy. They'll find conspiracy in the bottom of their sock drawer, if you give them enough time to think about it. Most of them love Alex Jones, and believe almost everything he says, even though none of them have found any real proof of anything he's claimed. These are the people that will believe any conspiracy theory, as long as it targets those in power. These are the people who don't ask questions, or look for real evidence. They're more concerned with theory than evidence. They're no better than the idiots who can't face the truth without having to double up on the number of visits to their therapists.

Somewhere in between, you have those who seek the truth. Those who have a gut instinct that something is very wrong. Those who have, what can only be described as, a "third eye"...a sixth sense, if you will. They ask questions, and search for answers. These people are horrified by what they see in the other two groups of people. They wonder if the world has gone completely mad, most of the time. They hope evolution will phase these other groups out of existence, for they are the cause of the world's problems...especially the first. They know that the first group either pretends not to have the ability to see because it bothers them to do so, or, even worse, they really can't see what's happening. They know that the second group is very gullible, but has better intentions than the first, who don't seem to care about reality, or are just in denial. They love science, logic, and reason. They know that a majority of humans are too embarrassed to admit they made mistakes. They know that people are completely fake, for the most part....actors, who don't play their roles very well. To them, these other people are transparent, and these transparent people don't even realize how transparent they are. These are the realists. They're outcasts because they don't fit into the general society. They're the types of people who would've been burned at the stake by those of the first group. For the most part, they wish they had another continent or planet to escape to. They'd like nothing better than to leave the fools behind, and create their own societies of a more advanced culture. One that would most certainly be labeled "liberal" by the so called "conservative" idiots.

If a more advanced culture means one in which I'm not free to eat a super-size Big Mac and shoot the guy that tries to break into my house, then count me out.

Demolition Man had a lot to say about the dangers of the future...

The nationalist not only does not dissapprove of attrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.

- George Orwell

Yeh, okay. This doesn't have a thing to do with nationalism.

I just want my god-damned Big Mac.

[Edited on 4-7-2004 by Xenographer]

I'll bet you're willing to shoot someone for that BigMac too, eh?

Originally posted by Satyr
On one end of the spectrum, you have fanatic idiots who will use any statements to defend Bush and his ridiculous wars. I call them "Parking Meter People". These people will take the absolute worst facts and somehow turn them into either rubbish, or positive, supportive comments in Bush's favor. These same people will use any facts they can twist and turn into negative things about anyone in the middle east, to further their stance. They're masters of denial and hardcore believers of half truths and lies. These are weak people who can't handle the truth, so they make up their own reality, ignoring the less than comfortable facts that may cause a stress overload on their poor, overworked, little minds. I don't need to mention any names. You know who you are. Most of you tend to use that "liberal" label for anyone who doesn't share your idea of patriotism. If you tell them they're in denial, they'll tell you they're not.

They think America can do no wrong.

Would you not admit that many times there is an ANTI-BUSH agenda, and it reasonably SHOULD be turned to rubish? I mean, if you are seriously "in between" then you must realize that some things Bush has done are in fact good. You would admit, for instance, that despite his dubious reasons for going to Iraq, Saddam was not that great of a guy.

You also say that the 2nd group has better intentions then the first - I would argue that the vast majority of them have the SAME intentions, and simply disagree on every detail about how to get there.

Originally posted by Satyr
I'll bet you're willing to shoot someone for that BigMac too, eh?

I'd be willing to shoot someone for the right to eat that bigmac. Do you see the difference?

Originally posted by American Mad Man
I'd be willing to shoot someone for the right to eat that bigmac. Do you see the difference?

No one is trying to take away your BigMac. As a matter of fact, your "conservative" administration, and many before, are the ones who are trying to take your freedom. Do you see the difference?

Would you not admit that many times there is an ANTI-BUSH agenda, and it reasonably SHOULD be turned to rubish? I mean, if you are seriously "in between" then you must realize that some things Bush has done are in fact good.

You would admit, for instance, that despite his dubious reasons for going to Iraq, Saddam was not that great of a guy.

There hasn't been a "good" politician since the original founding forefathers, who were freedom rebels and extremists, with good reason. They're turning in their graves now. This isn't America anymore. It hasn't been for ages. The men in charge now, do not have your interests or freedom at heart. I want to see people I can believe in in power, but I don't.

[Edited on 4-7-2004 by Satyr]

Originally posted by Satyr

Originally posted by American Mad Man
I'd be willing to shoot someone for the right to eat that bigmac. Do you see the difference?

No one is trying to take away your BigMac.

As a matter of fact, your "conservative" administration, and many before, are the ones who are trying to take your freedom. Do you see the difference?

Would you not admit that many times there is an ANTI-BUSH agenda, and it reasonably SHOULD be turned to rubish? I mean, if you are seriously "in between" then you must realize that some things Bush has done are in fact good.

You would admit, for instance, that despite his dubious reasons for going to Iraq, Saddam was not that great of a guy.

There hasn't been a "good" politician since the original founding forefathers, who were freedom rebels and extremists, with good reason. They're turning in their graves now. This isn't America anymore. It hasn't been for ages. The men in charge now, do not have your interests or freedom at heart.

[Edited on 4-7-2004 by Satyr]

First off I know litteraly no one is trying to keep me from eating a bigmac (I don't eat fast food anyway). But it is the point that I would take to arms to protect my rights I was attempting to make.

As for there not being any good politician since the founding fathers, I would beg to differ. From good ol' Abe to JFK to Reagan, there have been plenty. True, everything that any of them did was not all good, but they all performed admirably. Abe led slaves to freedom. Reagen peacefully ended the cold war. You don't think either of these acts were for the better of the people?

A few of my friends were complaining about McDonalds taking away Supersized fries the other day. Some people seem to think that they have a "right" to the fries or something, and that they have some sort of personal ownership in mcdonalds and chooses to sell. Funny, really

Btw, I know you guys were only joking, but it just reminded me of that conversation...

Originally posted by American Mad Man
As for there not being any good politician since the founding fathers, I would beg to differ. From good ol' Abe to JFK to Reagan, there have been plenty. True, everything that any of them did was not all good, but they all performed admirably. Abe led slaves to freedom. Reagen peacefully ended the cold war. You don't think either of these acts were for the better of the people?

Reagan and his wife were both pieces of #, as far as I'm concerned. They not only supported the war on drugs, but sent it into the horrible, paranoid privacy invasion that it's become today. This is one of the biggest mistakes we've ever allowed to happen. Sure, he may have had good intentions, but putting those kinds of policies into strict enforcement was the beginning of our downward spiral, and the beginning of a major compromise of our constitution. Not the first, by any means, but never-the-less, a major step in our reduction of freedom and privacy.
Abe was one of the forefathers, IMO. I'm more referring to those that came after the early leaders, who still held freedom (for all) dear.

[Edited on 4-7-2004 by Satyr]

Originally posted by Satyr

Originally posted by American Mad Man
As for there not being any good politician since the founding fathers, I would beg to differ. From good ol' Abe to JFK to Reagan, there have been plenty. True, everything that any of them did was not all good, but they all performed admirably. Abe led slaves to freedom. Reagen peacefully ended the cold war. You don't think either of these acts were for the better of the people?

Reagan and his wife were both pieces of #, as far as I'm concerned. They not only supported the war on drugs, but sent it into the horrible, paranoid privacy invasion that it's become today. This is one of the biggest mistakes we've ever allowed to happen. Sure, he may have had good intentions, but putting those kinds of policies into strict enforcement was the beginning of our downward spiral, and the beginning of a major compromise of our constitution. Not the first, by any means, but never-the-less, a major step in our reduction of freedom and privacy.
Abe was one of the forefathers, IMO. I'm more referring to those that came after the early leaders, who still held freedom (for all) dear.

[Edited on 4-7-2004 by Satyr]

No doubt the war on drugs is stupid Im with you on that - it's a waste of time, money - and yes, occasionally leads to civil rights violations. But he did the most important act since WWII - perhaps this century - and dare I say it, in history. He defeated the USSR without destroying the planet. Think about it - how much longer could these countries have been at each others throats before a war happened? considering how many times we almost went to war, not very long. I think that alone demands you, and the rest of the world, be gratefull.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
No doubt the war on drugs is stupid

Im with you on that - it's a waste of time, money - and yes, occasionally leads to civil rights violations. But he did the most important act since WWII - perhaps this century - and dare I say it, in history. He defeated the USSR without destroying the planet. Think about it - how much longer could these countries have been at each others throats before a war happened? considering how many times we almost went to war, not very long. I think that alone demands you, and the rest of the world, be gratefull.

See, I don't think the USSR would have hated us so bad in the first place, if it weren't for the "representatives" that placed us in that situation in the first place. This is where you miss my entire perspective of a "more advanced culture"....a culture that doesn't require having the wealthy in charge of the less wealthy...a culture of people that don't feel the need to take anything from others, whether it's in the form of freedom, rights, privacy, your will to be yourself and do what you want, as long as it isn't malicious toward others, etc. Obviously, it's a dream, because there are too many people who don't get it. Those are the people that really need to go. Unfortunately, it takes violence to remove those types, once they've obtained the unruly powers they hold today. I don't blame them. They don't know any better. They're like gamblers, only they're control freaks, who like to control people, money, rights...basically your life. I mean, face it, you're just a modern day slave. They treat slaves a bit better these days. The happiest slaves are those who believe they're free.

I'll bet you're willing to shoot someone for that BigMac too, eh?

See, this is the thing that gets me right here. When somebody requests the ability to exercise their rights, it's insinuated that they want to use these rights in the worst way possible.

I'm not trying to kill people. I'm trying to live my life the way I choose to live it-- to buy and sell as I choose, to defend the property I worked to earn, and to keep safe the family that, believe it or not, I value.

If it's in the constitution, it's in there for a reason. Capitalism is your friend. Stop running and go get a damn job.

Originally posted by Xenographer
If it's in the constitution, it's in there for a reason. Capitalism is your friend. Stop running and go get a damn job.

Capitalism is not your friend, but I'll bet I make more money than you.

Revolt...stop paying taxes...bare arms...band together...

Yeah...like any good number of people are going to give up their cozy little life with there SUV's and there MP3 Players loaded with gigabytes of stolen music or their quadruple strawberry triple cherry moca coca lattes, home theater plasma system with 5000 channels of Orwellian programming at their fingertips, or the ready made home mistress that is internet porn..."Just gonna finish some work on the computer, hon." But maybe...just maybe...

...someone schooled in the art of strategic planning putting together a strategy and having the contacts and means to implement said strategy. A few thousand compassionate freedom thinkers/fighters to begin. It's time to take back our planet before it's ruined for the children! Anyone else sick and tired of all the greed monkees who could care less about his fellow man/woman? Where's Col. Powell's sense of right when ya need it?

If not now...then when? If not us...then who?

Thoughts?

Have I said too much?

(Please...This is not a call for comments from psychopaths or teenagers still in their formative years but rather adult, rational thinking people, who are fed up with this lack of compassion toward fellow man/woman within this so called government of ours, to at least consider what can be done and how...working within the system will not work in this day and age...a revolution is called for not neccessarily of the violent type. I'm sure the conservative pacifists are hatin' me bout now )

Originally posted by Satyr

Originally posted by American Mad Man
No doubt the war on drugs is stupid

Im with you on that - it's a waste of time, money - and yes, occasionally leads to civil rights violations. But he did the most important act since WWII - perhaps this century - and dare I say it, in history. He defeated the USSR without destroying the planet. Think about it - how much longer could these countries have been at each others throats before a war happened? considering how many times we almost went to war, not very long. I think that alone demands you, and the rest of the world, be gratefull.

See, I don't think the USSR would have hated us so bad in the first place, if it weren't for the "representatives" that placed us in that situation in the first place. This is where you miss my entire perspective of a "more advanced culture"....a culture that doesn't require having the wealthy in charge of the less wealthy...a culture of people that don't feel the need to take anything from others, whether it's in the form of freedom, rights, privacy, your will to be yourself and do what you want, as long as it isn't malicious toward others, etc. Obviously, it's a dream, because there are too many people who don't get it. Those are the people that really need to go. Unfortunately, it takes violence to remove those types, once they've obtained the unruly powers they hold today. I don't blame them. They don't know any better. They're like gamblers, only they're control freaks, who like to control people, money, rights...basically your life. I mean, face it, you're just a modern day slave. They treat slaves a bit better these days. The happiest slaves are those who believe they're free.

Dude, you are very confused about the cold war - the Russians never "hated us" really (not in the way that say the Islamic extreemists hate the Western world) - they realized that we were the ones that prevented their communist domination of Europe, Asia, and the Middle East and thus we were there enemy.

My problem with all of you people complaining about the gov and saying we need a revolution ect ect ect is this: Say you get what you are asking for - your own country. How do you devide the land to build things on? Who gets what piece of land? how is that determined? Who does what job? How do you determine who does what job? Ultimately there will come a point where someone will have to make a decision. That person would then be "in charge." And what happens when another country threatens you? Do you wait to be attacked by others and have your hard work destroyed, or do you take the fight to them (as the US has done) and become the agressors?

I don't know about you, but I am far from a slave. I do what I want, when I want. I say what I want to whomever I want to, whenever I want to. I have my own house of my choice in the city of my choice. I could die tomorow and be quite satisfied with my life other then never having been a father, and it's not the government preventing me from doing that (like in China, though even there you can have 1 kid) I just haven't found a wife yet.

Originally posted by Xenographer
If a more advanced culture means one in which I'm not free to eat a super-size Big Mac and shoot the guy that tries to break into my house, then count me out.

Demolition Man had a lot to say about the dangers of the future...

Wasnt it odd that in demolition man Arnold Shwarsinegger was president?

Kind of makes you think....

Originally posted by porschedrifter

Originally posted by Xenographer
If a more advanced culture means one in which I'm not free to eat a super-size Big Mac and shoot the guy that tries to break into my house, then count me out.

Demolition Man had a lot to say about the dangers of the future...

Wasnt it odd that in demolition man Arnold Shwarsinegger was president?

Kind of makes you think....

Arnold cannot hold the presidential office as he was not born here...Don't worry - he's stuck controling Cali, which is only a top10 world economy, as opposed to the US - the worlds largest.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
I don't know about you, but I am far from a slave. I do what I want, when I want. I say what I want to whomever I want to, whenever I want to. I have my own house of my choice in the city of my choice. I could die tomorow and be quite satisfied with my life other then never having been a father, and it's not the government preventing me from doing that (like in China, though even there you can have 1 kid) I just haven't found a wife yet.

My point exactly...you don't see beyond "your home"...it's the same old Orwellian "Me" Generation thing which I grew up during but chose not to indulge. Meanwhile, injustice is being delivered all around you and you turn a blind eye like most Americans because it does not directly affect "you". You sit back and close your eyes while our leader misdirects and boasts of 50 new jobs created in some middle American city he's campaining in while ignoring a participant who queries "What about the 400 jobs which where lost as 2 of our major companies moved south out of the country to reap the rewards of cheap (slave) labor. Our laws allow this kind of ruining of life. Or the 50 million dollars to build an enclosed rainforest in Iowa rather than pay our educators the monies they deserve to enrich our children's minds, or the billions and billions of dollars to manufacture weapons to ruin peoples lives. I could go on and on. There is too much wrong doing within our government system today. As far as replacing a leader and what would follow after...don't be so narrowminded as to think it would have to change every aspect of American life. Just a better upper management team with an ethical backround and a whole lot more compassion than exists currently is needed to get the ball rolling. "Who get's what piece of land?" This isn't about taking over the country...don't be ridiculous. It's about removing the current political structure rooted in greed, self-interest and anti-compassion. And just because it's not within public view due censorship and misdirection, it still does not take a rocket scientist to see what is actually happening given even a small amount of common sense. Either you get it or you don't.