*new presentation* Over The Navy Annex featuring Terry Morin

Originally posted by SPreston

posted by Craig Ranke CIT

You can pretend he doesn't say what everyone can hear him say in the interview presented in the OP all you want but it only makes you look really odd.

He specifically says he was in between the wings.

posted by adam_zapple
So...if this is true. How much time would he have in which the aircraft was in view above him?

Can't you handle simple math? If this was the official Flight 77 above him as represented in the 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY which it could not be, then the speed would be 535 mph or 784 fps. The openings between the building wings appear to be exactly 50 feet wide. The 757 body is 155 feet long. About 0.2 seconds (1/5th of a second) seems about the amount of time the aircraft would be visible to Morin at the official 784 fps.

270 mph or 395 fps
0.4 seconds (2/5th of a second) is the amount of time Morin had to view the aircraft between the wings and then run out into the parking lot and seeing the tail until the explosion. Adjust the time either way you want, but there was not much time to view the aircraft between the building wings was there?
[edit on 1/9/09 by SPreston]

So between 1/5 and 1/2 of a second. So how long did it take him after hearing the jet above him to look up?.....because if it took him more than 1/2 of a second, there's no way he could have seen it if he was between the wings and it was directly above him.

Originally posted by adam_zapple

So between 1/5 and 1/2 of a second. So how long did it take him after hearing the jet above him to look up?.....because if it took him more than 1/2 of a second, there's no way he could have seen it if he was between the wings and it was directly above him.

So what's your point?

Are you calling Terry Morin a liar?

This is what he says about where he was and how he saw the plane.

Watch the presentation in the OP and you can hear him say it direct.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
JThomas,,,

I've followed this thread (and many others you've been in) and its beyond logic or reason how utterly in denial you seem to be even when a government official is one of the EYE WITNESSES who unequivocally states something that irrefutably supports CRAIG and the NOC path, and clearly is an UNBIASED OBJECTIVE CREDIBLE WITNESS.

You think so? How come?

Yet you still refuse to accept what he's said... Do you have a mental disability or are you just upset you're realizing the evidence has proven you've been deceived and are defending the LIE 9/11 was?

Fortunately, we real skeptics are not taken in by the likes of CIT. Not many people are. But what CIT and we know are that the only reason CIT keeps going on and on is because there are a bevy of gullible people who will believe anything CIT tells them, e. g., you.

So let's review what Terry Morin actually said so you can understand reality:

I had just reached the elevator in the 5th Wing of BMDO/Federal Office Building (FOB) #2 – call it approximately 9:36 AM. I was already trying to make some sense out of the World Trade Tower attacks having heard about them on the radio. The news was sketchy, but the fact that it was a terrorist attack was already known. I then realized that I was wearing sunglasses and needed to go back to Lot 3 to retrieve my clear lenses. Since it was by no means a short walk to my car, I was upset with myself for being so distracted. Approximately 10 steps out from between Wings 4 and 5, I was making a gentle right turn towards the security check-in building just above Wing 4 when I became aware of something unusual. I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking about at that moment, but I started to hear an increasingly loud rumbling behind me and to my left. As I turned to my left, I immediately realized the noise was bouncing off the 4-story structure that was Wing 5. One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. I instantly had a very bad feeling about this but things were happening very quickly. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB). Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities. Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon. There was a large explosion noise and the low frequency sound echo that comes with this type of sound. Associated with that was the increase in air pressure, momentarily, like a small gust of wind. For those formerly in the military, it sounded like a 2000lb bomb going off roughly ½ mile in front of you. At once there was a huge cloud of black smoke that rose several hundred feet up. Elapsed time from hearing the initial noise to when I saw the impact flash was between 12 and 15 seconds.

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Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT

Originally posted by adam_zapple

So between 1/5 and 1/2 of a second. So how long did it take him after hearing the jet above him to look up?.....because if it took him more than 1/2 of a second, there's no way he could have seen it if he was between the wings and it was directly above him.

So what's your point?

Are you calling Terry Morin a liar?

Do you not understand what he said, still, Craig?

This is what he says about where he was and how he saw the plane.

Here it is:

"I then realized that I was wearing sunglasses and needed to go back to Lot 3 to retrieve my clear lenses. Since it was by no means a short walk to my car, I was upset with myself for being so distracted. Approximately 10 steps out from between Wings 4 and 5, I was making a gentle right turn towards the security check-in building just above Wing 4 when I became aware of something unusual. I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking about at that moment, but I started to hear an increasingly loud rumbling behind me and to my left."

So, obviously, he was not in between the wings, but outside of them, and he confirms the SoC flight path which is the flight path AA77 took.

Now, since it's over for CIT and you know it, let's please have your confession that you have not and cannot claim a "military deception.

How about now, Craig?

jthomas has helped demonstrate why first-hand confirmation of eyewitness accounts is so important.

When you listen to Terry Morin describe his experience first-hand in the presentation you can hear how he specifically places himself 10 feet in between the wings like this:



And that this was his initial view of the plane before he ran out from between the wings:


He specifically says that he could NOT tell it was an AA jet because he had "no side view" of the plane and that it flew "directly over" him.

Notice how in his first written account he does not say that he "saw" the red and blue stripes but merely states that the plane supposedly had them because obviously he believes what he was told about it being an AA jet.

Of course maybe it did have red and blue stripes.

This wouldn't change the fact that if it was directly over the Navy Annex as Terry Morin has always reported it fatally contradicts all official data, reports, and the physical damage proving the plane did not hit the building.

Here is the part of the interview where Terry Morin specifically clarifies his location in between the wings:

Terry Morin: I will admit that I made a mistake on ID'ing the airplane and the reason is because it flew right over the top of me. It's not like...

Craig Ranke: Right over the top of you, now were you between the wings of the Navy Annex or out on the....

TM: I was right at the edge of being on the outer portion. Ok? So when the plane went right over the top of me I was within 10 feet of the edge of the Naval Annex.

CR: So you were kind of between them? Or were you 10 feet outside of the edge?

TM: No, I was inside, it flew over the top of me [...] I then immediately ran to the outside.

He can't run to the outside if he is already outside.

And then later in the interview....

TM: I did not have a side view of the aircraft.

CR: You saw it directly above you?

TM: Pretty much. You know slightly, because remember I am a little bit inside, Ok? And so...if his fuselage is a little bit outside, 20 feet to the right, a few feet to the right, all I'm trying to say here is that I had no side view. If I would have seen a side view I could have told the people it was an American Airlines. Because I would have seen the stripes. I didn't see the stripes I saw the silver belly.

This proves the official story false.

There is no way around it.

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT

The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities.

So, we are to forget what he stated back in 2001 and now go by what he is recalling 6 years after the fact?

Great Job Craig... I'll buy that.

reply to post by CameronFox


CameronFox is helping his best buddy jthomas demonstrate why first-hand confirmation of eyewitness accounts is so important while failing to bother reading the posts preceding his last one.


Yes CameronFox. Notice how even in his first article he doesn't say that he "saw" the stripes and merely relays what we already know he believes from what he was told.

But he clarified the details regarding exactly what he saw in person if you would simply listen to what he says:

If I would have seen a side view I could have told the people it was an American Airlines. Because I would have seen the stripes. I didn't see the stripes I saw the silver belly.

No matter how much you plug your ears and refuse to listen to him he confirmed direct, in-person, first-hand that he COULD NOT tell it was supposed to be an AA jet.

One thing for sure his placement of the plane ONA is fatal to the official story no matter how you slice it.

go back and look at what jthomas posted as Morirns statemant and what CIT has posted as morirns statement. jthomas info is missing the statement I didn't see the stripes I saw the silver belly...or im just missing it???

funny how both side are using the same info to prove their side...
i dont pretend to know what happened on 9/11 but what i do know is that the govt is lying to us about what happened. a massive coverup on an unprecidented level only to be surpassed by the next false flag attack....you know where i stand
go CIT

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT


Where in his statement in 2001 did he say that he assumed or somebody TOLD him it was an AA jet? Where in the statement does he state that someone TOLD him that there were red and blue stripe.

READ the statement again.

Then... read it again.

Then pay attention to this part:

As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe

This means Craig, that he saw the airframe. You simply do not want to accept his statements as they were back in 2001 because you know for a fact they kill your fantasy.

The only assumption that I see that he made was the type of aircraft.

You Craig, have changed your unanimous NOC claim.

You have changed your flyover location.

You lied to Morin proving your integrity.

where did it get you? no where at all. USA Today, MSN, ABC, NBC, FOX... none of them are reporting a massive military deception on 911. You wneet against your word for the sake of humanity. The return....

NADA!

Part of being in the truth movement one would assume, is being truthful. You sir, were not.

You see what's going on and see how little fanfare you are getting from people that used to believe you.



It's over Johnny.



[edit on 9-1-2009 by CameronFox]

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT

Originally posted by adam_zapple

So between 1/5 and 1/2 of a second. So how long did it take him after hearing the jet above him to look up?.....because if it took him more than 1/2 of a second, there's no way he could have seen it if he was between the wings and it was directly above him.

So what's your point?

Are you calling Terry Morin a liar?

I'm not calling him a liar.

I'm saying that unless he was looking up BEFORE the plane passed overhead, he wouldn't have seen it if it was directly overhead if he was in between the wings. That doesn't make morin a liar, that just means that his story doesn't add up.

Morin has told 2 different stories. One says he was "10 steps out from the wings" another time he's "10 feet inside the wings". The only way he could describe the path of the plane after it passed the annex was if he was out from between the wings, do you agree?

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
He specifically says that he could NOT tell it was an AA jet because he had "no side view" of the plane

So the plane wasn't in a bank.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Daniel Hopsicker said once that he was told by someone on the "inside" that the only reason he was still alive is that there are people in the CIA who have made it known that if anything happens to him there will be retaliatory action taken.

I hope these people are looking after the CIT guys as well.

So is that the excuse you guys are using to explain why the AKAPEC (All Knowing All Powerful Evil Cabal) hasn't extinguished you yet?

If you boys were really soooooooo important and soooooooo poerful with what you know, you'd be toast right now.

BUT, since you have the CIA on your side....

Originally posted by CameronFox

Where in his statement in 2001 did he say that he assumed or somebody TOLD him it was an AA jet? Where in the statement does he state that someone TOLD him that there were red and blue stripe.

Since he specifically clarified that he could NOT tell it was AA because he could only see the belly this is a proven fact.

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This means Craig, that he saw the airframe. You simply do not want to accept his statements as they were back in 2001 because you know for a fact they kill your fantasy.

Now you are straight lying because he NEVER says that he "saw" the airframe or stripes and he specifically clarified that he did NOT see the airframe or stripes. So while you are forced to put words in his mouth to support your fantasy Terry Morin already clarified this for you by specifically stating otherwise.

That is why first-hand confirmation of witness reports is so important although it's clear that you don't like this type of evidence and prefer unconfirmed and more generalized static claims that are easier to spin rather than specific answers to specific questions first-hand.

Now please stop lying about what he claimed that he saw.

You Craig, have changed your unanimous NOC claim.

What are you talking about? All 13 witnesses are still 100% unanimous in this regard.

Please stop lying.

You have changed your flyover location.

Changing an ESTIMATE in regards to a HYPOTHESIS by a few dozen feet is irrelevant to the evidence. You are splitting hairs and grasping at straws at the same time.

You lied to Morin proving your integrity.

EXCUSE ME??? I did NOT lie to Morin.

I was perfectly honest with him.

The fact that I refused his request to not report what he told me is not a lie nor is it illegal. Given the implications of what he saw it would have been unethical for me to honor his request in this regard.

It would have been worse than keeping knowledge of a specific murder silent.

where did it get you? no where at all. USA Today, MSN, ABC, NBC, FOX... none of them are reporting a massive military deception on 911. You wneet against your word for the sake of humanity. The return....

NADA!

Part of being in the truth movement one would assume, is being truthful. You sir, were not.

YOU are the one lying.

I was 100% truthful.

Your rhetoric is deceptive, tiresome and extremely hollow.

As the other posters here keep making perfectly clear you are not effective with your obsession at spinning the evidence we present.

All you do is serve to help keep the information on the front page.

Great work!

Originally posted by pinch
If you boys were really soooooooo important and soooooooo poerful with what you know, you'd be toast right now.

Are you admitting that factions of the US government would engage in assassination, pinch?

I thought that the US government would never assassinate any of its own citizens. The rule of law made all men equal, liberty, justice, democracy and all that's painted with stars and stripes would forbid organised assassinations.

That's a startling admission for you to make, pinch, in that black-op elements of your government would seek to kill people with information against them.

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
jthomas has helped demonstrate why first-hand confirmation of eyewitness accounts is so important.

Correct. We have Morin's statement proving CIT wrong.

And that this was his initial view of the plane before he ran out from between the wings:

False. Morin, as you can see from his statement above, was not in between the wings. As you video clip shows above, Morin would have had to have been already looking UP in order to have any time to catch any jet passing over. As is proven, Morin could not have been between the wings and know to look up.

Thanks for illustrating my case that Morin was not superhuman and was outside the wings as he stated for all to see.

Moving right along, TLB on JREF is about to concede that CIT cannot possibly claim there was a "military deception", Craig. Evidence has completely overwhelmed him and no one of your group is coming to his rescue.

We know why.

The only question on the table left is which one of CIT's groupies is going to confess first. How about you, Craig?

Originally posted by clearmind
go back and look at what jthomas posted as Morirns statemant and what CIT has posted as morirns statement. jthomas info is missing the statement I didn't see the stripes I saw the silver belly...or im just missing it???

funny how both side are using the same info to prove their side...

Actually, I take Morin's first statement soon after 9/11 unaltered and not subject to an agenda.

But it does not matter since CIT has been unable to refute the entire body of evidence demonstrating that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

CIT knows how the gullible believers of its fairy tale keeps it alive.

Originally posted by clearmind

i dont pretend to know what happened on 9/11 but what i do know is that the govt is lying to us about what happened.

This is contradictory.

Only a troofer could think this is a logical statement.

reply to post by CameronFox


As you can see, there is something a little lacking in the CIT camp. Which statement will hold more water? The one made right after 9/11 or the one made nearly six years later? He saw the stripes and he states he did right after it happened. Now 6 years later, he didn't? Hmmm.....

For you and jthomas I found a few pics of an AA 757 flying overhead as close to what the witness could have seen. What do you guys think?








Just a few examples of possible views.

This next one I think shows it best as to what he could have seen, maybe even lower:





Look closely, you can see the red stripe on both sides of the fuselage, and it is directly overhead. Even here you can see it.

And what other eyewitnesses could have seen closer to the Pentagon and I very much doubt they would mistake it for anything else:




[edit on 1/9/2009 by GenRadek]

posted by adam_zapple

So between 1/5 and 1/2 of a second. So how long did it take him after hearing the jet above him to look up?.....because if it took him more than 1/2 of a second, there's no way he could have seen it if he was between the wings and it was directly above him.

So how did you manage to miss this paragraph from the same post? If you people would bother to read the interviews and watch the video interviews and explanations, you would not be so lost in total confusion.

posted by SPreston
However we do not know the type of aircraft used for the decoy aircraft nor its speed, except it was much slower according to real living videotaped eyewitnesses. So lets guess and divide everything in half. Do not forget that Morin HEARD the aircraft approaching from the sound waves bouncing off the interior walls of the building wings, and was looking up EXPECTING to see an aircraft. Don't let the disinformation excreted by jthomas lead you down the path of fools.

Terry Morin explained how he could hear the aircraft coming before it passed above him. Of course that is another reason to expect that the decoy aircraft was flying at a much slower speed than the official aircraft in the Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY. And this paragraph below from the same post is quite pertinent, because if it were the official aircraft from the Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY, then Morin only needed to turn around and look south to see it. Quite simple isn't it?

posted by SPreston
Also, if the aircraft were the official Flight 77 757 depicted in the 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY which jthomas so foolishly defends, then Terry Morin could simply have turned around, looked to the south, and viewed the aircraft from the side about 300-400 feet away and about 30-50 feet above the parking lot level. Terry Morin would never have been so fooled to describe that aircraft as above him would he?

reply to post by SPreston


What type of "decoy aircraft" are you talking about?
Was it another painted 757 looking like an AA plane? Or was it a C-130? A private jet? You use the term decoy aircraft and you don't even say what it is or what it was suppose to do? Unless you are are referring to the C-130 which showed up on scene AFTER the impact. So what was this "decoy aircraft" suppose to be doing? Was they decoy aircraft hitting the Pentagon? Its really starting to get confusing, unless this is what you are counting on, confuse your opponent to the point of submission and claim victory.