Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline

Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline

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Oregon is among a growing number of states exploring ways to tax drivers based on the number of miles they drive instead of how much gas they use, even going so far as to install GPS monitoring devices in 300 vehicles.

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What a nice way to monitor everyone's movements under the guise of a mileage tax. Not that they have not already done so via other means but this is in your face tracking. Should Oregon go ahead with this, you can bet your bottom dollar the rest will jump on the band wagon.

Your comments and reactions are in order! Do you want Big Brother in your car ratting on you?

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terrible, this will dstroy free energy as a "solution" to the world energy crises. f that!

Im helping a guy run for president ed o donnell! all about resorce economics and abundance, look him up!

Personally I view milage tax probably one of the worst crimes against the American way of life. America has always been on the move. It is one of the few places on Earth if not the only place on Earth where you can move 100 miles away in the same country and live in an area with a totally different culture and way of living then where you came from. I myself have been very lucky to have lived all over the US. I find it quite disgusting that anyone would tax our mileage. Not only that but America is so huge with so much to see in it, I think everyone should see as much of it as possible.

A mileage tax means that you will have to pay the government to leave your house, unless your lucky and live close to work, places to eat, places to buy food and have entertainment within walking distance.

Not only that, but it will only stagnate an already stumbling push for a green energy revolution in America. Something that should have been started long ago.


Mileage tax is something only a sick, anti-American, selfish, greedy mind could come up with.

I hope there is no confusion as to how I feel about it.

[edit on 2/1/09 by Pfeil]

This is just such a no starter in my mind. Afew points:

1) Unless the government felt they could actually increase taxes by this scheme they wouldn't come near it,

2) The price of everything from food to consumer goods to cars would go up because they are shipped over long distances, and

3) Yes, they would have to have the ability to monitor everybodys movement so major freedoms would be lost.

JK

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A mileage tax means that you will have to pay the government to leave your house

The ultimate control on movement would then be to link the system with one that was used in the movie Minority Report. Track people even using public transportation and tax that. Shouldn't give them any ideas .

I agree that this would literally kill the green movement as there would then be no incentive to save the resources. Instead of a win/win you end up with a total loss to the public but total gain by the gov. Don't you know that they would call it 'tax evasion' if you removed it and make it a felony. Instead of where's your papers, its where's your GPS citizen?

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Originally posted by pstrron


What a nice way to monitor everyone's movements under the guise of a mileage tax.

Plan on kidnapping someone or stealing a car?

Why do care if the government knows where you are? They already know where you live and where you work.

If they want to find you, it's not entirely difficult even without monitoring.

reply to post by logician magician

Plan on kidnapping someone or stealing a car?

Not at all, and never even crosses my mind. Plus it is rather hard to track me even if they wanted to anyway.

We are talking Oregon are we not? The home of the last hippies. This state is so liberal they make Kennedy look like Rush L.

So I think this would be the last state to use this for anything other than getting your money. This state is broke due to some really bad decisions in the recent past, so they are trying to be more like CA and dream up new ways to tax you for their mistakes.

no taxation without representation!

what can we do to stop this madness?

As one famous song says " This is the end of the world as we know it"....

I could think of many ways to screw a system based on GPS reading from a car GPS unit.

I could see someone challenging the states mileage reading by claiming the system does not work.

I would take the GPS unit from the car and plug it into a portable power supply and fly it around at 150+ mph, take it out on boats 10+ miles off the coast,
take it on hiking trip where a car could not go.
then when i got my tax bill ask for a record of where the car had been.
or i would take a GPS unit from a wreak and plug it into my car for long trips and just use the one they are tracking for short trips to the store.

I could also see the prices of gas go up because people from surrounding states coming to Oregon to fuel there cars with tax free gas.

Originally posted by pstrron
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Plan on kidnapping someone or stealing a car?

Not at all, and never even crosses my mind. Plus it is rather hard to track me even if they wanted to anyway.

I seriously doubt that, and you should too.

You're not some type of ninja, buddy. Unless you have an alternate identity and wear a disguise half the time, then you are easy as anyone else to track.

This is absolutely ridiculous.
Put up some toll roads at least.
F@c% That $#!T....
They are looking for anyway to
tighten there hold and squeeze
the freedom right out of all of
our hardworking asses.

hope you don't have to drive far to work,,,,, and i suppose a guy who drives to work 2 miles makes out,,,, yet the guy who drives 50 is screwed


sorry kids no afterschool sports,,,, to much mileage tax

etc etc etc


so dumb,,, besides the initial cost if implicating this system


i'm sure some bright lobbyist from a tech company who just happens to need to sell this type of equipment had this bright idea

hope you don't have to drive far to work,,,,, and i suppose a guy who drives to work 2 miles makes out,,,, yet the guy who drives 50 is screwed


sorry kids no afterschool sports,,,, to much mileage tax

etc etc etc


so dumb,,, besides the initial cost if implicating this system


i'm sure some bright lobbyist from a tech company who just happens to need to sell this type of equipment had this bright idea

When I heard that on the local news here, I bout @#@# my pants!! Oh my, here it comes. But I don't believe that our state reps or congress in this state will alllow it. I know a lot of people are against a sales tax, but it would do wonders for this state. Put a clause in it that wouldn't be allowed to go over .05%, it is suppose to be coming up for vote in 2010. But we'll see. This is totally stupid! We already have high gas, property and cig taxes here!! The tax (per pack) of cigs here is over $2.00! What the hell are they doing with it? Property tax is totally way to high. Just say no!!

All of you from Oregon, lets million email our reps and the governers office, that it is totally an infringement of our constitutional rights of "Privacy"! They say, "oh, it's only to track your mileage", bull@#@##!

Speaker of the House Jeff Merkley
Oregon House of Representatives
900 Court St. NE 269
Salem, OR 97301
OR:
[email protected]

503-986-1200

Or just go to the Oregon.gov wesite and email all of them. Including the Gov!

Originally posted by ANNED
I could also see the prices of gas go up because people from surrounding states coming to Oregon to fuel there cars with tax free gas.

Well kind of tax free...there is a law here that you can not pump your own gas, so a gas attendant is needed at every pump. The price of gas here is the same as CA where they tax the crap out of it.

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This system sounds like a great way to increase tax on the poor. Instead of having those Hummer drivers pay the highest tax, you have a system where Honda Civic owners and Hummer owners pay the exact same tax whereas before the Hummer owner's tax was at least two times higher!

reply to post by logician magician

I seriously doubt that, and you should too.

You're not some type of ninja, buddy. Unless you have an alternate identity and wear a disguise half the time, then you are easy as anyone else to track.

Not a ninja type but as for any trackable items, none to speak of. However, if they really wanted to find me, the closest they could get is the city. Beyond that, good luck. Shortly, you wont even have a city to try in.