To those who have seen...

Have you ever felt bad about shattering peoples illusions by sharing what you have seen?

Last night we had a house full of teenagers celebrating New Years at our our house.. all of our kids friends have made our house the place to be during winter break so we were bursting at the seams with teenagers last night..
At some point during the night we had gotten into some serious discussions before the new year rang in and it led inadvertantly to the idea of life in the universe.. I think it stemmed from recent discoveries of ice on mars.. never the less one of the kids bursted out.. I can't stand all that UFO crap.. that stuff does not exist. I turned to him and said.. I am sorry to disappoint you but they do and I have seen more than one. At that point I told them of just a few of my encounters and all of the sudden the close minded started to open up and realize ... hey... we are not alone? Here is the thing though.. as the conversation went on.. topics led to topics and theories and religious discussions started to spring up and I put up the stop sign there because despite what I might suspect.. no one knows for certain anything.. and I told them religion was off limits.. There are some people that want their children to believe what they are told and not question god or satan or anything else and no matter what I think about that it is not my place to influence their children.. in the same token .. don't they deserve to decide what is the truth for themselves?

So has anyone else ever faced these problems? How do you feel about shattering peoples long held beliefs or disbeliefs?

When we finished talking because the new year was approaching I ended in saying.. look.. never believe anything anyone says 100%.. not me not anyone.. just keep learning information for yourself and make up your own mind about how you feel things are. Because in the end as much as anyone thinks they know.. none of us really know anything for certain.

I had hoped with that.. I had given them an option to learn what they wanted on their own without influencing them with any ideas I leaned toward personally.


What would you do?

I think you handled it perfectly NephraTari. I wouldn't have done it any differently. Thankfully, most of my friends are open minded, one of which is a scientist. Due to our talks, he recently bought "UFOs and the National Security State" by Richard Dolan which he proudly showed me when I went around for pre-Christmas drinks.

I was very proud of him for showing a genuine interest - and happy knowing I could borrow it once he's done

IRM

First of all: HAPPY NEW YEAR!

IMO you made the right decision in a. presenting the truth and b. stopping the discussion as it went to religion.

I think we have to be very careful to not deliberately go around shattering peoples (religious) beliefs, because it can be extremely painful for them and we don't know if they are ready or even if we are actually right.
Maybe they don't want to know the truth. The truth is often very uncomfortable and my own experience shows it can also be painful!


My personal experience:
First I was a sheeple,
then I started realizing the truth,
then I felt sorry for others and wanted to 'missionarize' them,
and I looked down at their ignorance because they didn't want truth,
and now I think I understand that each person has the right to believe what they want. This includes their right for a comfortable 'ignorant' life.
Who am I to shatter peoples views that the world is not going to end when their team doesn't win?
Who am I to scare them with some wierd theories concerning WWIII, 2012 or that our leaders are out to kill and enslave us?

So I try to stand my ground, sow seeds and live the Law: 'hurt noone'!


Blessings for 2009,
Samuel

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Too true, i gone through that too, ha,ha.

I think its got to be down to the individual, If the want to know they will seek the truth - if they want to remain in their comfort blanket then it is there choice to.

I think you dealt with it well. Not matter how open minded someone is, if you show them to much at once going agaisnt the grain of what they have known all their life, it can do more harm than good. You perhaps planted a seed for them, and now it is up to them to make it grow.

Peace

I think many may just parrot what their parents say sometimes or just the opposite from them in rebellion. I've written to my kids about some of my experiences and didn't hear back from them for awhile. At least they aren't so gullible.*

Unfortunately and forntunately as well, I've been on disability* for the past 5 years, which gives me a little more room either way. People who don't 'lose it' over the subject might just be hiding it more than others and much prefer the 'blue pill.'

I like science fiction movies and programs, but I don't collect them and watch them over and over again as if looking for the cryptic clues.(maybe I should)

I have wondered over time as if it's more of some game we're all playing like: hide and seek.

I would also imagine aliens who want to be like us, such as teenagers, might also want to play a game.

I think you may just hear some repercussion from your recent party host disclosure. Good luck with that anyway.I think I can assume you're prepared for it anyway?

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I think you handled it perfectly
Happy new year btw
I hate people who false their opinions on others,we as individuals need to make up our own minds and beliefs....It is difficult as we do tend to follow our parents in their beliefs (I'm an exception though as lost mum at an early age and dad wasn't really there) Dad was a strict catholic,and I was brought up Catholic,I have always been quite head strong,and don't follow a religion now & never enjoyed the experiance as a youngster....I am a pretty opened minded person,but can also be sceptical at the same time if that makes sense
I have brought my daughter up to make her own decisions in her belief's etc...I have never ever pushed my interests in the supernatural etc... onto her,but she too has a genuine interest and has from an early age the same as I did, maybe it is just something "in" you as a person as to your beliefs,it certainly seems that way with us.....who knows.....

Originally posted by NephraTari
I am sorry to disappoint you but they do and I have seen more than one. At that point I told them of just a few of my encounters

Just one question: when you talk of encounters, are you talking about witnessing UFOs, or actual beings?

me and gramma were watching tv

see a news story of a baby monkey------gramma very religious

so i say----purposely misleading her-----isn't it amazing how much they're like us and so similar

and not knowing she spouts ----well,,, we came from them,

and i say ----oh wait what about the bible and jesus, mary etc etc

she was dumbfounded and lost for words

and got angry she was duped or the fact i got her!!!

it was funny had to be there-----but yeah like you said kind of shattered her thinking

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Happy New Year NephraTari, you couldn't have explained yourself better with those kids

If it were adults at that party, I suspect that you guys would have probably got into the religious stuff too

I find your words to them kids to be exactly the way to go about forming opinions in this life. No one knows anything for certain..keep on learning new stuff...listen to new stories..and seek more and more info.

Peace all,,

Majorion

Sounds like you handled that really really well Nephari.

Hello,

I think you did an excellent job and handled it exactly how you should have handled it with the kids.

Happy New Year to all

Originally posted by danx

Originally posted by NephraTari
I am sorry to disappoint you but they do and I have seen more than one. At that point I told them of just a few of my encounters

Just one question: when you talk of encounters, are you talking about witnessing UFOs, or actual beings?

Mostly just UFO's there was something that visited me when I was young but I have no idea what it was. It looked like a human woman but not... I won't put a label on that experience and it is not one that I shared with them that night.


Its good to see that most agree with how I handled it.. you always wonder if you are doing it the best way possible when discussing alternative subjects with those who have had no exposure to them.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by NephraTari]

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You know I think it might be a genetic awareness that is stronger in some families than others. I have noticed that I have passed alot of things on to my children that I would have chosen not to. But what can you do? Some of these experiences can be rather frightening.


BTW thank you to everyone for the New Year Greetings. I only popped on and off as New Years Day is also our anniversary so we were out most of the day and evening. It was a wonderful day I hope everyone else had a great new year.

I would have (and have) handled it pretty much the same way. Our kids will often form opinions and ideals that don't exactly match ours and this is normal and healthy (so long as it's not something that might cause harm to them or others).

All you can do is share your thoughts and experiences and leave it for them to either add it to their knowledge base, research it more, or toss it out completely.

I raised a Buddhist even though I am not religious. I participated in her religion and encouraged her choice - mainly because of the positive's she was getting from it.

It's hard as a parent not to try to influence our kids to follow our beliefs and ideals sometimes it happens very subtly.

I think you did the right thing and hopefully that teen and the others, will do some more research on the subject and decide for themselves...all you did was present another idea

reply to post by NephraTari
I believe you handled that very well, Neph; with my kids and their friends I encourage them to seek their own answers and to follow no one; after all, the answers lie within us. and a belated HNY to you!



seeker

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First of all well done
You handled it graciously and in exactly the right way.

I have no problem in exchanging ideas with somebody or telling them a few "home truths" (or my home truths) but i do tend to refrain from doing so now...
Years ago i would try and convert my friends, family and others... not in a crazed, aggressive way, but just subtly really.... now i don't even bother.

I am happy in the knowledge of what i know and what i have experienced.
If i could prove to somebody, not just tell them... but prove to them, that my experiences were real and what i have seen, where i have been and what i know is the truth (or my truth) then i would happily share my experiences..... unfortunately.... it is not that way


I never try and ridicule somebody when they they are sharing an experience, but the problem with these sites is you never see the persons face, you just read words...it's difficult.
If their story starts off "My boss is an alien" "alien frog raped me" or any other such trash... then yes, i may get a little sarcastic or cheeky.. but i generally just read and make my own mind up..
A few of my friends on here have had experiences and i have read them with interest and digested what they have said... but it is THEIR experience, and only they will know their truth..

But like you said my friend... "For those who have seen"......

Good thread S+F'd


Edit to add:

Didn't really want to touch on the religion aspect as I'm sure my feelings on this subject are duly noted

[edit on 8/1/09 by blupblup]

Will post my experinces later and thanks

Bed time!

Star @ flagged:

The best one can do is embrace the knowledge to make up their own mind.
Refer those with questions to my sig.

Peace

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Due to our talks, he recently bought "UFOs and the National Security State" by Richard Dolan which he proudly showed me when I went around for pre-Christmas drinks.
I was very proud of him for showing a genuine interest - and happy knowing I could borrow it once he's done

IRM

Thats a very important,well put together piece of literature