Divorce Papers Found-Obama Sr./ Ann Dunham says Obama Jr. born in Kenya

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR

Obama will become the POTUS in about One month. No matter what.

I agree 100%

I personally feel that he is legally able to serve, but I do agree with you 100% the reasons though are a whole other , long, off topic subject.

Peace buddy



[edit on 1-1-2009 by gimme_some_truth]

Thats a pretty sweeping statement and (no offense) is pretty ignorant to assume that everyone who feels that he is a natural born citizen is "just beliving whatever the MSM or some celebrity or some politician tells you.

Since Obama hase never produced any verification of where he was born, who are they believing then?

Its really silly to assume that every person who believes he is okay to serve hasnt done "research"

Believing he is eligible to serve with no proof is evidence of one not conducting the necessary investigation to see if he has proved his eligibility.

You have some nerve to call people stupid when you make such ignorant and sweeping statements.

What is ignorant and sweeping? Please explain to me how, by pointing out that Obama has not produced any evidence that he was born in the US is ignorant or sweeping OR that those who believe he is eligible did not conduct any research

The supreme court has thrown out cases because there was no real evidence to suggest Obama cant serve. There is more evidence that he CAN serve apparently. Are you really trying to suggest that you know the law better than the Supreme court of the United States of America?

Thank for proving my point. The SCOTUS never said there was a lack of evidence, they simply refused to hear the appeal. The original case was thrown out for lack of standing and appealed to the SCOTUS.

Another thing, Just becuase some one has a different political belief than you, that does not make them ignorant. Any intelligent person would know that EVERYONE has different political beliefs. NO TWO PEOPLE FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME ABOUT EVERYTHING. There in lies the flaw in your statement.

If more people would realize this is a Constitutional matter rather than a political matter, the issue would probably be solved. Never once did I mention a political belief, a political affiliation, or anything political; I mentioned a Constitutional problem.


You call people who disagree with you ignorant, yet you assume that everyone who disagrees with you feels exactly the same way? You assume they all came to their individual conclusions the exact same way? Forgive me for saying, but that is unrealistic, perhaps even... ignorant.

So there is a third way one can view the eligibility issue? Enlighten me! Regardless of how they reached the conclusion they are wrong and they, not me, are ignorant.

On that note, I do kind of wish that the supreme court would accept a case and show his eligibility just so they can silence the nay sayers, although there is no doubt that they would try to pull something else as soon as that avenue fails.

Why do we need the SCOTUS to hear the case? Why does tax dollars have to go towards this? Why has Obama spent (last I read) 500k defending these lawsuits? Why won't he just produce the document?


Peace my friend. Have a happy new year.

Same to you.


[edit on 1-1-2009 by gimme_some_truth]

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by DJMessiah

Obama is really a reptilian in disguise.

Im hoping that was a joke.

Please tell me that was a joke.

Sadly...no it wasn't a joke:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by truthquest
This is definitely the first piece of evidence that has me seriously doubting Obama's birth. The previous stuff simply raised questions, but this would be really serious evidence that Obama is not a natural-born citizen.

It is quite reasonable to assume that somebody might have made a mistake in preparing the divorce document

Maybe someone made a mistake typing up the certificate of live birth document. Y'know, that brand new Looking document that Obama was waving around for the press. Not the ratty old yellow piece of paper which is no doubt hanging around somewhere extremely safe.

Ah, this is funny funny stuff. I thought this might end after the election but here we all are. So Obama was really born in Kenya and nobody can prove it. Hillary, McCain, Bush, anyone with the money, resources, and incentive to prove this did not even bother. But...a radio dj busts it wide open with a phone call. AHA! Proof, for a week or two until someone remembers that he was speaking of the father.

Back to the drawning board. Now an internet radio station is going to bust this all wide open. You have to wait until Friday because they are not even sure what these papers really claim.

Anyone want to bet me? I am certain these divorce papers will not show that our current president elect was born in Kenya. I know many of you do not like the guy but hey, McCain was not born in the U.S. so what is it we are all trying to achieve here aside from libel and chaos?

Originally posted by skoalman88

Since Obama hase never produced any verification of where he was born, who are they believing then?

he has provided proof. Thats not the issue. The issue is that a small group of people refuse to accept his proof

The US supreme court accepts it, why cant you?

Believing he is eligible to serve with no proof is evidence of one not conducting the necessary investigation to see if he has proved his eligibility.

See above

What is ignorant and sweeping? Please explain to me how, by pointing out that Obama has not produced any evidence that he was born in the US is ignorant or sweeping OR that those who believe he is eligible did not conduct any research

You keep repeating yourself. For the first part, see above. HE HAS PROVIDED PROOF!!! Second I have already explained why assuming that all people who disagree with you are ignorant and that all people who disagree with you came to their individual conclusions, the exact same way, is ignorantr and sweeping, but since you missed it the first time,NO TWO PEOPLE FELL THE EXACT SAME WAY ABOUT EVERYTHING. That is why it is ignorant and sweeping to suggest so.

Thank for proving my point. The SCOTUS never said there was a lack of evidence, they simply refused to hear the appeal. The original case was thrown out for lack of standing and appealed to the SCOTUS.

Your point was that there is no grounds to base your own claims on? That doesnt really help your case....

If more people would realize this is a Constitutional matter rather than a political matter, the issue would probably be solved. Never once did I mention a political belief, a political affiliation, or anything political; I mentioned a Constitutional problem.

Never once.. hmm, I guess suggesting that everyone who believes different than you is a sheeple has nothing to do with your politcal beliefs?I suppose that your attempt at accusing all Obama supportes of just beleving what they do because some celebrity said to, or just voted for obama because the MSM said too, wasnt an indication of your political belief. hmm, I dont know, seems a bit political to me....

So there is a third way one can view the eligibility issue? Enlighten me! Regardless of how they reached the conclusion they are wrong and they, not me, are ignorant.

I will gladly enlighten you on the fact that right there I was talking about your accusation that all people who support Obama only do so because the MSM say so , and I was talking about , right there, your indication that everyone who supports obama has the exact same political beliefs. I will gladly enlighten you on the fact that you completley misread what I said there. I would like to be enlightened on just how you know with 100% certainty even though you your self have said your claims are baseless,that everyone else is wrong and you are right.... Stating something as fact when YOU DONT KNOW FOR SURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.. is ignorant. I have said that there is more evidence that he is okay to take office than there is that he cant, and incidently, whether you meant to or not, you agreed by saying that your own claims are baseless.

Why do we need the SCOTUS to hear the case? Why does tax dollars have to go towards this? Why has Obama spent (last I read) 500k defending these lawsuits? Why won't he just produce the document?

The reason it would need to be heard is because he HAS provided the proof required but some people refuse to accept it. The SCOTUS would just put the accusation to rest. Thats why

Same to you.

thanks

[edit on 1-1-2009 by gimme_some_truth]

reply to post by Jay-in-AR
Jay, I happen to agree with you, but it was brought up in an earlier thread that the Senate had passed some sort of resolution acknowledging that John McCain was a Natural born citizen, because he was born outside the boundries of the United States. By the logic of some the arguements in this thread however, it would seem that your butt actually has to land on US soil the moment you drop out of the womb for you to be a natural born citizen.

I have said time and time again, this needs to be tested in the courts. I cannot believe that the offspring of an American citizen cannot serve as President because they are not native born. That would disqualify a tremendous number of people from the possiblity of service, just because their parents chose to study and live abroad for a short period of time and they had the bad luck to be born on forigen soil.
I do wish Obama would open all his records for us to see. But, without a court order, it's not going to happen, and there is too much going on in the world at this point in time for the President to be distracted by something of this nature.
I support the constitution, but it is and has always, been open to interpretation. Since no one of standing can bring a suit that won't be thrown out, we need to let the country move forward, and, I hope, get on the road to recovery.

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by ChocoTaco369

 

You just don't get it, do you bubba? McCain WASN'T BORN IN THE US. HE WAS BORN IN PANAMA! That means, by your definition, he had no right to run either!
And I do want proof. I want it settled once and for all, but instead of a slinging a lot of crap, find someone with standing, take though the court system and get it settled.
You have absoulutely no concept of you are talking about!

No, it's you that doesn't get it. This has NOTHING to do with McCain. Where do you see McCain as an object of this thread? Typical Obamabots. When they can't make an argument, turn to Bush and McCain, which is exactly what you did. Bush and McCain don't have any place in this issue. This is SOLELY about Obama. Believe me, I "get it." I totally "get it" that you care more about Obama's election than the Constitution.

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reply to post by gimme_some_truth


That is not his birth certificate. His birth certificate is a 40something year old document.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Completely and totally meaningless.

A.) That isn't a Birth Certificate. It's a certificate of live birth.

B.) It's been determined to be fraudulent by more "independent sources" than verified it.

C.) It is not an original copy of anything. It's some scan void of important signatures where other areas are blotted out.

It's a useless, meaningless JPEG. When real human beings get to verify a signed and sealed physical copy of a BIRTH CERTIFICATE, this argument will be laid to rest.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by ChocoTaco369]

The Birth Cert from Hawaii trumps divorce papers. Issue dead. Think of something else to try to prevent Obama from taking office.

Face it, the GOP blew it when Senile John thought that Sarah was a great choice for VP. As soon as that chucklehead opened her mouth, the GOP was doomed. The Dems did themselves in 00 and 04 with help from Republican controlled voting machines and now the GOP self destructed after 8 years of greed and corruption by the shrub.

Get used to the idea of President Obama.

Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
When will this issue finally die?????

I mean, do you really think that the DNC would have backed Obama's bid for the presidency if his ability to serve was even slightly in jeopardy?

I know that the RNC was stupid enough to allow a simpleton like Palin to run for Vice President, but come on, if there was even a chance that this issue had any merit the DNC would have just ran Hilary.

Face it guys, Obama will be the next President of the United States, get over it.

Oh, so now a country bred American is nothing more than a "Simpleton", chosen by "Stupid" people? You reek of the greatest form of yuppie bred ignorance which this Nation has EVER known, and is now being consumed by as well. Go figure, that you are the kind of individual to ignore gaps in the application of our Constitution, only when it fits your needs or desires.

The DNC chose the most likely candidate to win an election, and that is the bottom line. They care little else about eligibility, or background, as long as they believe the candidate at hand has the greatest chance of placing a Democrat back into the White House. You still have A LOT to learn about Politics.

Take your Partisan based ill-conceived, illogically applied, judgments elsewhere.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


- The Certification is not the same as a birth certificate. If it was, they HI governor wouldn't have said she saw the birth certificate but it's locked up and can't be released.

- I guess you just don't understand this issue. To be president one of the requirements is t be a natural born citizen. Producing a birth certificate would prove Obama is a natural born citizen. Rather than producing that birth certificate, he has payed a lot of money to prevent access to the birth certificate, and he refuses to permit the release of the birth certificate. Now, unless one is completely incapable of rational thought, one should quickly realize something fishy is going on here. For one not to question why Obama would go through all of this trouble when he could just produce the thing and it would be over is evidence of their ignorance.

- This is a really lame attempt at spinning what I said. However, if you researched what STANDING means, you would see that lack of it doesn't mean there is no case, it just means the wrong party brought the complaint.

- I never said what I believe, I stated facts the facts: something you should consider doing. There is nothing remotely political in what I said. As any reasonable person knows, those on the left and right are influenced by the MSM (O'Reilly vs. CNN or MSNBC). It must amaze you that someone can step outside the left/right paradigm and view an issue independently.

- So far, the only evidence you have provided is a certification of live birth, which is insufficient, and lawsuits dismissed for lack of standing. None of this is as substantial as say a birth certificate would be. Nor is it as damning as the fact that he has spent money to ensure the birth certificate is not released. And I never agreed my claim was baseless, you tried to spin what I said.

- Again, the Certification is not sufficient not acceptable. McCain produced a birth certificate, Obama should do the same. We do not need the SCOTUS to hold our hands and walk us through this, Obama should be a big boy and do it on his own.

reply to post by ChocoTaco369

One last time bubba. I get it. I didn't vote for the guy. I don't agree with his policies, I think he's a racist(I took the time to read his books, so I have something to base that on,) and I would really rather he not be president. However, the election is over and done with. There is no credible, hard evidence that has been produced that will stand up in a court of law.
Now, if you want this settled, dig down deep in those pockets, pull out a BIG wad of cash, and go hire the best attorneys in the country. (I hope you;ve got deep, deep pockets.) Tell them you want to file suit to stop the swearing in of Barrack Hussien Obama on January 20th, 2009, ecasue he is not a natural born citizen. Tell them you want to start slinging subpeonas left and right. Throw them at everyone you can. Take depositions from everyone who ever talked the man. And let's see if you are willing to put your money where your mouth is.
Are you willing to "Pledge your life, your fortune, your sacred honor," as our founding fathers did, in order to put this issue to rest?
I have thrown down the gauntlet, sir. To mix metaphors, it's time to fish or cut bait.

I wonder if anyone here realizes that if they wanted they could go get a copy of Obamas certificate of live birth. In my country we have a wonderful place called Catherine house. Where we can purchase other people's birth certificates, and assume their identity.

For those complaining about McCain's Place of Birth, you need to study the Founding Fathers, and their Declaration of a Natural Born United States Citizen, and what construes such. The original intent behind their framing of what declares one to be a "Natural Born United States Citizen", was to not only ensure no outside influence/abuse/domination of American Leadership, it was to also ensure the rights of Children born to Diplomats, Military Personnel, and other Governmental Officials serving overseas, in their representation of the United States, in the application of their Official Duties.

THUS, being born to a Military Family automatically declares McCain to be a Natural Born United States Citizen. Also, he was born upon United States Territory, so if any doubt exists towards the aforementioned, none is left after review of the latter.

When applying the United States Constitution, you need to look towards the INTENT of our Founding Fathers in Writing it, as much as you do the Wording itself. To do otherwise is to perform a great injustice.

Originally posted by ChocoTaco369
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

 

Completely and totally meaningless.

A.) That isn't a Birth Certificate. It's a certificate of live birth.

B.) It's been determined to be fraudulent by more "independent sources" than verified it.

C.) It is not an original copy of anything. It's some scan void of important signatures where other areas are blotted out.

It's a useless, meaningless JPEG. When real human beings get to verify a signed and sealed physical copy of a BIRTH CERTIFICATE, this argument will be laid to rest.

[edit on 1-1-2009 by ChocoTaco369]

Look you can refuse to accept the proof all you want. The proof is there. whether you like it or not.

a certificate of live birth is just as legally valid as a birth certificate. Both provide proof of your place of birth... If you choose not to accept reality thats your choice.

Sense you refuse to accept what is right in front of you I will provide even more proof (something the nay sayers arent capable of doing. all they have is heresay)

"Article II: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

the above law is the exact law in which the decided that McCain could legally be president.

Coincedentally Obama fits into the same law. His mother was Born in the united states. So to those who say you cant be a naturalized citizen just because your parent was, You are wrong. McCain is and so is Obama. Come one people lets use some common sense.

the very same law that makes McCain eligeble to be president of the US is the law that makes Obama eligeble, whether he was born in the US or not.


factchecker

Originally posted by MissysWorld
Plains Radio Network has posted that they have found, and are going to post it online,
[edit on 31-12-2008 by MissysWorld]

Whoa.... wait... GOING TO?


As in HAVEN'T YET?


As in NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE?


As in... why are you bringing rumors here WITHOUT EVIDENCE?

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


Dude, Factcheck.org is funded by some group tightly linked to Obama, the name of which escapes me at this time, but I'm sure someone can recall it.

Maybe I should walk into the Ferrari dealership, and take a car. I won't give any money, but I will tell them I have it. When they try to get the money, I will do whatever I can to prevent them from getting it all the while insisting it exists. I'll then give them something I typed up saying I have the money. Then, myself and others will argue there is no reason to actually give them the money because I said I have it and I even provided the letter and I'll brush aside their demands as "smears." They will argue the letter is insufficient, but it won't matter, because people will just keep on arguing that it was and the issue won't actually be solved, because people will be too busy arguing about the letter rather than just forcing me to produce the money.

If only it was as easy to get the keys to a ferrari as is it to get the keys to the white house.

A quick correction: the Berg case was dismissed because the judge declared Berg wouldn't be injured if Obama became President. This is a BS way of avoiding the issue. We are all injured when the Constitution is violated. The judge is spineless and ignorant : )

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[edit on 1-1-2009 by skoalman88]

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
Take your Partisan based ill-conceived, illogically applied, judgments elsewhere.

Pot calling the kettle black I think.

It's too bad you're still around.