CIT - Changes Their Flight Path.

reply to post by SPreston


First of all. Stop putting words in my mouth. I CLEARLY stated with my graphics that it was a parallel line. That it did not represent any flight path.

by Cameron Fox

This does not show the exact flight path, but does show a parallel line to the FOB2. The same direction Paik is pointing to in the interview.

Now knock it off.


This is typical of you though SPreston. Bend it to fit.

Your regurgitation of the same useless photos do not change any of the facts.

Allow me to re-post one of them though to show you how CIT and PFT need to get their acts together.




Now, look at the carton by PFT:



Is that the same direction Paik is pointing to?




[edit on 5-1-2009 by CameronFox]

[edit on 5-1-2009 by CameronFox]

posted by CameronFox

Is that the same direction Paik is pointing to?

Yep. Sure is.



At an angle away from Colombia Pike. Please notice that the Naval Annex is parallel to Columbia Pike, and all of the eyewitnesses including Edward Paik have the aircraft crossing the Naval Annex at an angle; not parallel with the edge.

posted by CameronFox
This does not show the exact flight path, but does show a parallel line to the FOB2. The same direction Paik is pointing to in the interview.

posted by CameronFox
First of all. Stop putting words in my mouth. I CLEARLY stated with my graphics that it was a parallel line. That it did not represent any flight path.

Well gee willikers CameronFox. That blue line is parallel with Columbia Pike, and even though I watched that video a dozen times, not once does Edward Paik point straight down Columbia Pike to indicate the direction he saw the aircraft fly.

As you could see from the photos I posted above, Edward always indicates the aircraft flew across his parking lot and the shop in the back of the parking lot at an angle away from Columbia Pike. Do you need eyeglasses? Perhaps I could chip in a bit if you cannot afford them.

But you have to agree that we are discussing a flight path here; not a blue line. If that blue line were a flight path, at some time it would have to bank right to get across Columbia Pike, and then end up on your parallel to Columbia Pike blue line. How come YOUR wingtip did not hit those electric poles there on the side of the street and knock them down too?



Looks to me like those electric poles are still standing and Edward is certainly not pointing straight down the street is he? Jeepers CameronFox; open your eyes and face reality for a change. Quit regurgitating the nonsense forcefed you by these disinfo artists. Didn't you bother to watch the Paik interview video yourself? That roofline on that building there is parallel with Columbia Pike, and Edward's arm is certainly not parallel with that roofline is it?



Even in your pic, the aircraft is at an angle away from the roofline; same as Edward's arm. Correct?



[edit on 1/5/09 by SPreston]

reply to post by SPreston


Watch PFT's cartoon. Watch the direction they have the plane coming from.

THEN look where Paik is pointing.

Originally posted by SPreston

I watched that video a dozen times, not once does Edward Paik point straight down Columbia Pike to indicate the direction he saw the aircraft fly.

Emphasis yours

Was Paik standing right there SPreston when he saw the plane?

Do you know where he was?

Do you know what position he was in when the plane flew above him?

Do you know his POV AFTER he got up from ducking down?

Have you spoken to his brother Shinki?

posted by CameronFox

Have you spoken to his brother Shinki?

No. I haven't spoken to Edward either. Actually I haven't spoken to Edward's distant relatives in the Orient either. Do I need to? Craig and Aldo and several others of their team have spoken with Edward and his brother. Have you?



Is your desperation getting the better of you? Perhaps you should go lie down; maybe have a nice cup of tea. Take a break away from all the endless pressure and torment. Chill out CameronFox. Maybe take that little dog with the rug out for a nice relaxing walk.




[edit on 1/5/09 by SPreston]

reply to post by SPreston


Oh, Spreston, my friend. I am not the one that (nor are you) that was asked not to release an interview and did anyway. Going back on their word. Your friend Craig did this. Why? Because people are seeing through this silly charade and pointing out all the flaws that are being made. Craig sees what is going on.

I just got back from a long and much needed vacation. I am as cool as a cuke! Boss left early, I got all my tasks done early...I've got nothing better to do.

This thread was made to show that the change in the flight path (or whatever you want to call it) made his theory all the more unbelievable.

Here is diagram showing the parking lot where the so called decoy jet, or attack jet ...or whatever you want to call it flew.

As you can see it would have flown over a rather large parking lot that holds well over 1 thousand vehicles. You don't find it interesting that not a soul on earth has come forward to talk about a multi-ton aircraft flying very low across this area shortly after a rather large explosion?

The blue line is the flight path.









[edit on 5-1-2009 by CameronFox]

posted by CameronFox
reply to post by SPreston

 

Oh, Spreston, my friend. I am not the one that (nor are you) that was asked not to release an interview and did anyway. Going back on their word. Your friend Craig did this.

Well, when there is high treason involved from the highest offices of our government; I think Craig did the right thing. It is not going to hurt Terry Morin too much (what will the Defense Dept do? Shoot him?), and who knows, maybe he will show a little intestinal fortitude, and come out on his own with further details. Maybe a little bravery from Morin will encourage real insiders to speak up. I'm sure there is a large segment of our Military and Intelligence leadership protecting outspoken leakers and investigators and telling the 9-11 traitors; "Don't you touch them or else."

As to Roosevelt Roberts; well I am not one of those who places much value in his rather unfinished account. It seems everybody is guessing about what Roosevelt Roberts meant, and he is no longer available to straighten his account out is he? Unfortunately Roberts chickened out on the promised interview and likely guessed just how deadly not keeping his big mouth shut could get.

reply to post by SPreston


You better hope nobody contacts Mr. Morin and tell Craig what he did.

Regardless, it was very dishonest of Craig. But I guess I have to agree with one thing... desperate times call for desperate measures.

CIT is VERY desperate right now.

Originally posted by CameronFox
reply to post by SPreston

 

You better hope nobody contacts Mr. Morin and tell Craig what he did.

Regardless, it was very dishonest of Craig. But I guess I have to agree with one thing... desperate times call for desperate measures.

CIT is VERY desperate right now.

Amen.

And CIT knows it's out of business permanently. As does SPreston, the last "True Believer."

posted by CameronFox
reply to post by SPreston

 

You better hope nobody contacts Mr. Morin and tell Craig what he did.

Regardless, it was very dishonest of Craig. But I guess I have to agree with one thing... desperate times call for desperate measures.

CIT is VERY desperate right now.

CIT desperate? Really? Whatever for? Contact Terry Morin? Somebody tell him. Please. Maybe he can file another lawsuit over 9-11. That would be great wouldn't it?

1. The aircraft has been proven Over the Naval Annex and the official Flight 77 flight path south of Columbia Pike and through the light poles and along the official damage path through the Pentagon 1st floor area is deader than a doornail.

2. Pilots For 9/11 Truth has come up with the math and the JREF forum for magicians and illusionists is panicking and self-destructing.

3. The staged light poles have been exposed and Lloyde England has panicked and tried to change his location on Hwy 27.

4. Dubya is nearly gone from our criminal infested White House and may be arrested and hauled off to the Hague and tried for war crimes. They hang convicted war criminals don't they? Wonderful. I'm taking my kids and grandkids to celebrate.

5. NIST has stuck both feet in their collective mouths and essentially admitted that their top 'scientists' have no clue on what they are doing. NIST has not done their math; but Pilots For 9/11 Truth has done their math.

6. The Japanese Parliament has held open hearings on the Bush Regime complicity in the 9-11 treasonous attack on America, presented worldwide on videos with accurate on-screen translations.

7. Memberships in hundreds nay thousands of 9-11 internet websites have been growing rapidly, causing corrupt politicians and corporate heads to consider destruction of the internet as their only recourse.

8. Hundreds of engineers and top scientists have joined up demanding a true unemcumbered honest investigation into 9-11.

9. CIT (Craig and Aldo and a few unnamed others) have an excellent line on some more great eyewitnesses in Virginia, which may cause a lot more depression among the fanatical 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY believers and faithful defenders.

10. April Gallop has filed a big lawsuit in New York attracting a lot more attention and potential worldwide spreading of new revelations during pre-trial discovery (disclosure), than the 9-11 perpetrators would be comfortable with.

11. The American people seem to be slowly awakening, and a lot of nervous Mainstream News Media disloyal journalists and editors have been seen rubbing their necks; perhaps wondering what a noose might feel like.

As I was saying, things are looking up. Maybe you should take another vacation and escape the stress.

Originally posted by SPreston
CIT desperate? Really? Whatever for?

Yes, because as you can see, his support among the truthers has diminished. The change of the impact point, the "New NOC"...it goes on Spreston.

1. The aircraft has been proven Over the Naval Annex and the official Flight 77 flight path south of Columbia Pike and through the light poles and along the official damage path through the Pentagon 1st floor area is deader than a doornail.

No, it hasn't. I have some information regarding one of your star witnesses that will be out soon. (Nothing new to Craig)

2. Pilots For 9/11 Truth has come up with the math and the JREF forum for magicians and illusionists is panicking and self-destructing.

They came up with math that derails many witnesses. Including Paik and Morin. I have shown the diagram from PFT here many times. No one has commented on it.

3. The staged light poles have been exposed and Lloyde England has panicked and tried to change his location on Hwy 27.

He didn't look panicked to me.

4. Dubya is nearly gone from our criminal infested White House and may be arrested and hauled off to the Hague and tried for war crimes. They hang convicted war criminals don't they? Wonderful. I'm taking my kids and grandkids to celebrate.

Off topic... but I agree 100% (i doubt he will be arrested)

5. NIST ...........

Off Topic and no need to start that in this thread.

6. The Japanese Parliament ...........

Off topic. Start a new thread if you'd like.

7. Memberships in hundreds nay thousands of 9-11 internet websites have been growing rapidly, causing corrupt politicians and corporate heads to consider destruction of the internet as their only recourse.

Again, you are off topic. But, I'm afraid your statistics are a little...shall we say... off? (look at the 911 stats on this website alone)

8. Hundreds of engineers and top scientists have joined up demanding a true unemcumbered honest investigation into 9-11.

Yeah? another off topic point.

9. CIT (Craig and Aldo and a few unnamed others) have an excellent line on some more great eyewitnesses in Virginia, which may cause a lot more depression among the fanatical 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY believers and faithful defenders.

Craig works very hard at what he does. He is very passionate with his work. But, that's where it ends. the fairy tale is all but dead.

10. April Gallop has filed a big lawsuit in New York attracting a lot more attention and potential worldwide spreading of new revelations during pre-trial discovery (disclosure), than the 9-11 perpetrators would be comfortable with.

Funny you should mention this. (as off topic as it is)

April has sued MANY people. I received all the documentation to prove this. Funny you haven't visited the thread.

Don't you find it interesting that she took money from an airline, and in her next breath is saying the plane didn't even hit?

11. The American people seem to be slowly awakening, and a lot of nervous Mainstream News Media disloyal journalists and editors have been seen rubbing their necks; perhaps wondering what a noose might feel like.

Off Topic opinion.

As I was saying, things are looking up. Maybe you should take another vacation and escape the stress.

Things ARE looking up. Craig will soon be able to spend his vacation time like I do.... RELAXING!!! Oh, and I have another 2 weeks in February. Stop by for a beer Preston!

reply to post by CameronFox


I thought this would be the appropriate place to post this, since it ties in with the theories regarding the planes that crashed into the WTC buildings. I saw on the show Destroyed in Seconds the other day a segment where they remote-control flew a 747 and crash landed it in order to develop better safety features on commercial aircraft. I know there's been some discussion regarding whether or not the planes were remotely controlled. The segment I saw on that show proves they can be, and I think this lends more credibility to the claim that the planes were remotely flown into the buildings.

As everyone can see, CIT is in damage control.

PFT's math paper (without aircraft type and speed) - Ranke new Thread

Did flight 77 hit the antenna? (it didn't)- Ranke New Thread

Over The Navy Annex featuring Terry Morin - Ranke New thread

The bottom line is, Craig has realized that as his fantasy is crumbleing faster than a house of cards, he has to find a way to save face.

Weather or not Paik saw the plane hit the antenna in not an issue. We know he didn't. The point is Mr. Paik believes that the plane was close enough to possibly do the damage. How far is the antenna from Mr. Paik's shop? 250? 300 feet away?

Craig accuses a former truther (Russel Pickering) for trying to lead him as it's apparent CIT and Russel were not getting along at the time.


I suggest people watch CIT's first interview with him then look at the following photos. I will not try to lead anyone, but pay attention to the questions asked that Craig does not highlight in his video. Some are very telling of Paiks vantage point.




Craig also no longer shows the graphic of Paik... and Spreston has denied him even ever pointing down Columbia Pike... here is another clear shot of him.

Keep in mind while he was doing this he states:

"Coming from there to this way"




Another interesting point is Paiks POV.

He can not see the Annex from his vantage point. Why does CIT fail to ever show a picture of this?



Paiks drawing is a 100% guess.



All of this has shown Craig, CIT, and PFT, that the witnesses are not as clear cut as they have made them out to be, causing Craig to release an unauthorized tape of Mr. Terry Morin.

Comparing Mr. Morins two different interviews.

In the original interview from September of 2001, Morin clearly states that he saw:

The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities.

www.coping.org...

Then in the interview CIT released approximatley 6 years later, Morin states that he did not see the side of the plane.

So, Morin reported lies to the authorities? Or does Morin not recollect exactly what he saw 6 years later?

CIT has a habit of calling people liars. I wonder why?

**The position of the Flyover has changed

**The PFT math throws witnesses under the bus.

**There are no longer 13 corroborated NOC witnesses but now.. 13 corroborated NOC, OTA, or what other acronym they can invent.

**What happened to Criag's long lost witness Levi. Who's back to the Pentagon somehow saw the plane coming NOC? YET...did not see the plane flying over the pentagon?

I would like to post yet another blow to CIT's new flight path.

Here, his own witness may have done the damage.

Please see this posts from Craig Ranke here. This post in one from his thread regarding the North Side Flyover. (or as we all know it now as the "old NOC")

He "interviewed" a gentleman by the name of Levi Stephens. Mr. Stevens was interviewed previously on 9/12/01, as Craig points out.
here is the link to that interview.

His interview with Craig, although not released due to the request of Mr. Stephens (like that's stopped Craig before?) is quite different from how he was quoted in the above Stars and Stripes link.

This is where CIT places Stephens at the time of impact:



CIT claims that he stated his back was to the Pentagon, although by this "confirmed" spot, it would be off to his right and visible from his location

Please look at the following photos of the area where Mr. Stephens was leaving from. Keep in mind the flight path PFT drew to support the flyover:




The red dot is Stephens approximate location.
The red line is a very rough idea of the path the plane would have flown per PFT. Keep in mind. This flight path keeps the plane IN FRONT of the explosion.



Levi was not a witness to any flyover or fly around. He was right there. 600 feet away from a 155 foot airplane with a 127 foot wingspan was not seen by him flying in front of the impact point and over the Pentagon?



Here is another shot of the South parking lot.



I encourage you to click on the below link for a much larger and detailed photo: (dial up users will be waiting a while)
upload.wikimedia.org...


If you think about it. Your standing there in that parking lot. That parking lot on any given day holds well over 2 THOUSAND vehicles. This does not include the other 1 THOUSAND plus spots on the other side of the South lot.

Not a soul saw a 757 flying over there?

You hear the sound of a loud jet engines.... you look around.

You hear an explosion, you react toward the direction of the explosion.

Your eyes are focusing in that area.

You didn't see the impact, but your eyes are in that area. You saw a plane heading down. Then it was gone in a huge fireball.

You would have seen the plane flyover/around since the NEW path brings the plane on the SOUTH side of the impact.

reply to post by CameronFox


Yep Levi specifically says his back was to the Pentagon and that he turned his head to see the plane coming over the Navy Annex and north of the citgo.

He was right in front of the downed light poles yet did not see any of them get hit. Obviously they could not have been hit because of where he saw the plane.

Now.....at 9:30am the parking lot has thousands of EMPTY cars.

You can see scores and scores of people filing into the Pentagon like mad between 7 and 8 but by 9:30 the parking lots are rather empty.

It's like that every day.

Go there sometime and you will see for yourself.

But Levi was a courier and did not work in the Pentagon.

No matter how you slice it his account of the plane on the north side corroborates everyone else we spoke with and proves the plane did not hit the building.

The fact that Levi missed the flyover/flyaway, unlike Roosevelt Robert who clearly saw it, is not proof that others didn't see it or that Levi and all the witnesses are wildly mistaken in the exact same way about the north side approach.

posted by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by CameronFox

 

Now.....at 9:30am the parking lot has thousands of EMPTY cars.

You can see scores and scores of people filing into the Pentagon like mad between 7 and 8 but by 9:30 the parking lots are rather empty.

It's like that every day.

Do you mean that the Pentagon employees do not work out of their cars every day in those big parking lots, so the Defense Department can save millions of dollars, so they can buy more $400 hammers and $640 toilet seats? Did you know that CameronFox?

Gee CameronFox, didn't you bother to watch any of the CIT videos? You whine about that one gif of Edward waving his arm, but the actual video interview presents a totally different outcome doesn't it? Edward pointed over towards his garage and stated the aircraft body was over there, didn't he? So then you whine about a gif which wasn't even in the video. Pathetic.

And Edward goes to work every day at A-One Auto doesn't he, and Edward surely drives down Columbia Pike every day, and Edward also must be quite aware of where the Naval Annex is in relation to Columbia Pike, don't you think? Sheesh.






[edit on 1/7/09 by SPreston]

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT

Yep Levi specifically says his back was to the Pentagon and that he turned his head to see the plane coming over the Navy Annex and north of the citgo.

Which way did he turn his head?
Because we know his recollection 6 years after the fact is much more accurate than the day after.

Didn't he say in the original interview on September 12, 2001 that the plane flew OVER his van?

It flew over the van and I looked back and I saw this huge explosion, black smoke everywhere."

www.stripes.com...

Now.....at 9:30am the parking lot has thousands of EMPTY cars.

You can see scores and scores of people filing into the Pentagon like mad between 7 and 8 but by 9:30 the parking lots are rather empty.

the point was not that thousands were in the parking lots....the point was that there are people in the parking lot at ANY given time. NONE would have been distracted by the impact as they wouldn't have seen it.


The fact that Levi missed the flyover/flyaway,

Just like EVERY one of your witnesses that SAW the plane impact the Pentagon.


You have ZERO witnesses Craig to your fantasy. Your new flight path and NEW NOC is laughable and further diminishes what little credibility you had in the truther community.




[edit on 7-1-2009 by CameronFox]

reply to post by CameronFox


This is why first-hand confirmation of media reports is so important.

Levi told us he was misquoted by the reporter.

Levi said:

"...I was looking for a parking spot. So as the plane flew in I had to physically turn around to watch it. I stopped there when I noticed how low the plane was. The reporter sort of misquoted me I was actually driving away from the Pentagon directionally as I wasn't facing the building."

-Levi Stephens

Besides even the official flight path doesn't have it flying over the top of him.