Sex offenders must hand over online passwords

Sex offenders must hand over online passwords

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ATLANTA - Privacy advocates are questioning an aggressive Georgia law set to take effect Thursday that would require sex offenders to hand over Internet passwords, screen names and e-mail addresses.

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I don't know about anyone else since this is a touchy subject. But to whom this is is going against, I think it is a good idea.

What do you all think about this? Reading the article, it would give authorities access to all online stuff this person has. Everything. In some ways I think it is good to protect the children, but even online banking and such.

I know this is a tough subject, but be civil please.



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Two mutually drunk people can have consensual sex and later on if the girl feels like it she can press rape charges with no evidence or witnesses thus landing the man in jail and on the sex offenders list. Forget even the drunk part, men can be brought up on rape charges just because a woman is angry at them and wants revenge even if they haven't had sex. My point is getting on the offenders list is far too easy and once you're on many of your rights are stripped. It's bad enough whenever an "offender" moves somewhere there's a neighborhood alert but of course this sucks.

This doesn't seem right to me... I don't like it. I can see cases where some of the people on the Sex Offenders List are innocent and will be further persecuted.

The first people who should submit all online passwords should be the politicians. Every one of them should be on the Registered Liars List. If any group of people on Earth need constant monitoring, it is them.

Originally posted by tezzajw
This doesn't seem right to me... I don't like it. I can see cases where some of the people on the Sex Offenders List are innocent and will be further persecuted.

The first people who should submit all online passwords should be the politicians. Every one of them should be on the Registered Liars List. If any group of people on Earth need constant monitoring, it is them.

I have to agree. Sex offenders are no doubt some of the greatest scum on the planet, and most of they're rights to privacy should be stripped.

but as the previous post stated it is WAY too easy to get on that list and innocent hard working people who got caught up in something that might not even be true would suffer for this.

This law would be better suited for repeat sex offenders.

Originally posted by lightworker12
Two mutually drunk people can have consensual sex and later on if the girl feels like it she can press rape charges with no evidence or witnesses thus landing the man in jail and on the sex offenders list. Forget even the drunk part, men can be brought up on rape charges just because a woman is angry at them and wants revenge even if they haven't had sex. My point is getting on the offenders list is far too easy and once you're on many of your rights are stripped. It's bad enough whenever an "offender" moves somewhere there's a neighborhood alert but of course this sucks.

I agree to an extent...but what about the guy who is into little kids? He is set free and on the internet starting it all over again. Would you want your son or daughter to be involved in a chat or email with this person?

Originally posted by tezzajw
This doesn't seem right to me... I don't like it. I can see cases where some of the people on the Sex Offenders List are innocent and will be further persecuted.

The first people who should submit all online passwords should be the politicians. Every one of them should be on the Registered Liars List. If any group of people on Earth need constant monitoring, it is them.

Yup you're right! But do you think that if the ones who weren't innocent were given free access to the internet, your children would be safe?

I think that if they are going to put this into play, maybe there should be some ground rules on the perp. Mostly for child molesters I would say because more than anything, my children should be safe on the Internet.

This doesn't seem right to me... I don't like it. I can see cases where some of the people on the Sex Offenders List are innocent and will be further persecuted.

Further prosecuted by what? A lack of evidence?

Oh, I get it. They'll be further prosecuted by the home made rape/child porn videos that are found on their computers, but because no police officers were around to see the actual creation of the tapes, the guy is innocent because the tape itself is probably doctored to make the cops waste their time searching among realistic looking video.

What better way to make cops see that they are wasting their time, then to make them waste their time!

Certainly, after they realize they are wasting their time, they'll follow suit of the MPAA and quit bothering people who download illegal music/software - or in this case, have videos of child pornography and rape.

Originally posted by TARBOX

Originally posted by tezzajw
This doesn't seem right to me... I don't like it. I can see cases where some of the people on the Sex Offenders List are innocent and will be further persecuted.

The first people who should submit all online passwords should be the politicians. Every one of them should be on the Registered Liars List. If any group of people on Earth need constant monitoring, it is them.

Yup you're right! But do you think that if the ones who weren't innocent were given free access to the internet, your children would be safe?

I think that if they are going to put this into play, maybe there should be some ground rules on the perp. Mostly for child molesters I would say because more than anything, my children should be safe on the Internet.

More than anything our children should be safe everywhere lol.

Your absolutely right about the politcians, more of they're stuff should be public record.

As for the sex offenders, ground rules would be good. Repeat offenders again comes to mind.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

This law would be better suited for repeat sex offenders.

I'm just asking.....

What if it is the persons first offense and he is released. Goes on the internet and finds your son or daughter. Would this make you think twice about this law?

As stated in my other post, there should be a certain guideline to those who are after children.

Originally posted by TARBOX

Originally posted by lightworker12
Two mutually drunk people can have consensual sex and later on if the girl feels like it she can press rape charges with no evidence or witnesses thus landing the man in jail and on the sex offenders list. Forget even the drunk part, men can be brought up on rape charges just because a woman is angry at them and wants revenge even if they haven't had sex. My point is getting on the offenders list is far too easy and once you're on many of your rights are stripped. It's bad enough whenever an "offender" moves somewhere there's a neighborhood alert but of course this sucks.

I agree to an extent...but what about the guy who is into little kids? He is set free and on the internet starting it all over again. Would you want your son or daughter to be involved in a chat or email with this person?

Yeah, here's your problem right here: "He is set free..."

I disagree with the sex offenders list, just as I disagree with freed felons having their right to vote and own a firearm taken away.

They go into prison, do their time (we call this "paying their debt to society"), and get out. Putting people on lists for life does nothing but permanently punish them. If we want to permanently punish them, and think they deserve it, then keep them in prison!

If our criminal justice system is incapable of reforming and rehabilitating offenders, then it is a failed system, and all that we're doing is releasing harmful elements back into society -which means the penal system needs reforming. If the convicted are being reformed then we're punishing them needlessly.

So, no, this is terrible.

This is getting ridiculous. I do not support these offenders in any way shape or form; however, these people did their time already....... some were served more justice than others though. I can see if they are on probation or parole giving up their passwords, but not if the have completed the punishment based on a court of law.

A close friend of mine got probation and has had to register as a sex offender for 10 years because he could not make it to a toilet and went behind a tree in the park. An elderly lady called 911 and pointed him out to the cops 5 min later. Indecent exposure is a crime that is considered a sex offense, even though urinating is a necessity of everyone, and is completely natural. Do you think my friend deserves the give up his passwords?


BTW - The guys who could repeat an offense are generally clever enough to make another user name and steal someone Else's WIFI.

Originally posted by TARBOX

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

This law would be better suited for repeat sex offenders.

I'm just asking.....

What if it is the persons first offense and he is released. Goes on the internet and finds your son or daughter. Would this make you think twice about this law?

As stated in my other post, there should be a certain guideline to those who are after children.

Well ofcourse, i mean i do have children and there's nothign in the world i wouln't do to protect them. And i'm sorry i though my last post reflected the acceptance of your opinion. Your absolutely right, child sex offenders should not be aloud a computer period.

reply to post by logician magician

He wrote persecuted

per·se·cute (pûrs-kyt) tr.v. per·se·cut·ed, per·se·cut·ing, per·se·cutes 1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs. 2. To annoy persistently; bother. www.thefreedictionary.com...

Some are persecuted. I have a friend who is on the sex offenders list because he got caught going at it with his GF in the car. They were 18 at the time. If things like this are to be imposed then the sex offender registration "blanket law" needs to be changed to reflect specific types of offenses. I wholeheartedly agree that rapists and those who exploit children deserve this. On the other hand, the guy who's on the list for getting it on with his GF in their car when they were teenagers does not need to have this applied to him. Just my .02.





[edit on 12/30/2008 by ShAuNmAn-X]

While I understand the reasoning for this, I think it is pointless.

If a sex offender knows this law is in place, then he will just [easily] find ways around it. He wont report that he has any identity online. Easy to say: Im just not online. Or here is my password for this (while its a dummy account).

He could easily have a computer that nobody knows about. He can use someone else's computer. He can use internet cafe computers.

And then there are all those offenders who never register.

As stated in the article:

"My hunch is, where there's a will, there's a way," Staton said. "If people are intent on violating this law, there are many different ways.

I just dont see how this will work. And really, what department has the manpower to do this kind of legwork?


[edit on 12/30/2008 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by lightworker12


Yeah, here's your problem right here: "He is set free..."

I disagree with the sex offenders list, just as I disagree with freed felons having their right to vote and own a firearm taken away.

They go into prison, do their time (we call this "paying their debt to society"), and get out. Putting people on lists for life does nothing but permanently punish them. If we want to permanently punish them, and think they deserve it, then keep them in prison!

If our criminal justice system is incapable of reforming and rehabilitating offenders, then it is a failed system, and all that we're doing is releasing harmful elements back into society -which means the penal system needs reforming. If the convicted are being reformed then we're punishing them needlessly.

So, no, this is terrible.

I think the only list there really should be is a child sex offender. I don't think there is any amount of time someone can spend in prison that would make the child or family feel better and say that "justice is served"

Originally posted by Unmask The Deception
This is getting ridiculous. I do not support these offenders in any way shape or form; however, these people did their time already.......

Tell that to a child who has to grow up now all confused and ends up having behavior problems because of it!

Read my other posts. This type of law should only be prudent to "Child Sex Offenders"

Originally posted by Unmask The Deception
This is getting ridiculous. I do not support these offenders in any way shape or form; however, these people did their time already....... some were served more justice than others though. I can see if they are on probation or parole giving up their passwords, but not if the have completed the punishment based on a court of law.

A close friend of mine got probation and has had to register as a sex offender for 10 years because he could not make it to a toilet and went behind a tree in the park. An elderly lady called 911 and pointed him out to the cops 5 min later. Indecent exposure is a crime that is considered a sex offense, even though urinating is a necessity of everyone, and is completely natural. Do you think my friend deserves the give up his passwords?


BTW - The guys who could repeat an offense are generally clever enough to make another user name and steal someone Else's WIFI.

Well i do have to agree with you on that front, but that goes back to the stupid judicial system and how it works. I have it when governments introduce broken laws into a broken penal system.

I'm actually kind of appalled that they put him on the list for that, must have had a hardcore judge.

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor

Originally posted by TARBOX

Originally posted by lightworker12
Two mutually drunk people can have consensual sex and later on if the girl feels like it she can press rape charges with no evidence or witnesses thus landing the man in jail and on the sex offenders list. Forget even the drunk part, men can be brought up on rape charges just because a woman is angry at them and wants revenge even if they haven't had sex. My point is getting on the offenders list is far too easy and once you're on many of your rights are stripped. It's bad enough whenever an "offender" moves somewhere there's a neighborhood alert but of course this sucks.

I agree to an extent...but what about the guy who is into little kids? He is set free and on the internet starting it all over again. Would you want your son or daughter to be involved in a chat or email with this person?

Yeah, here's your problem right here: "He is set free..."

I disagree with the sex offenders list, just as I disagree with freed felons having their right to vote and own a firearm taken away.

They go into prison, do their time (we call this "paying their debt to society"), and get out. Putting people on lists for life does nothing but permanently punish them. If we want to permanently punish them, and think they deserve it, then keep them in prison!

If our criminal justice system is incapable of reforming and rehabilitating offenders, then it is a failed system, and all that we're doing is releasing harmful elements back into society -which means the penal system needs reforming. If the convicted are being reformed then we're punishing them needlessly.

So, no, this is terrible.

And your very much right as well. The system doesn't rehabilitate it allows criminals to talk to other criminals about doing crime. Especially the more serious offenders of all types, prison is just a breeding ground for further acts of un-ethical and wrong behaviour once they'e released.

Originally posted by ShAuNmAn-X
reply to post by logician magician

 

He wrote persecuted

per·se·cute (pûrs-kyt) tr.v. per·se·cut·ed, per·se·cut·ing, per·se·cutes 1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs. 2. To annoy persistently; bother. www.thefreedictionary.com...

Some are persecuted. I have a friend who is on the sex offenders list because he got caught going at it with his GF in the car. They were 18 at the time. If things like this are to be imposed then the sex offender registration "blanket law" needs to be changed to reflect specific types of offenses. I wholeheartedly agree that rapists and those who exploit children deserve this. On the other hand, the guy who's on the list for getting it on with his GF in their car when they were teenagers does not need to have this applied to him. Just my .02.

Exactly! there should be guidelines. What your friend did, I would have to say that most of us....at one point or another in our lives have been in his spot.
Thanks.....good post