Chemtrail Inactivity - Personnel on Holiday Vacation?

Well the South Tampa area just was hammered.

A) I counted 20 + planes in a very short period of time.
B) None were trackable (transponders off).
C) All were flying above an AFB.
D) Sounding data is not supportive (Low humidity) for "persistent contrail formation".
E) Miltary, Military Military.

I even was privy enough to catch a couple black guidelines. Just like the good ole days.

Additionally cover was turning into wave like formations suggesting some form of EM pulse/energy.

I can only imagine what they are up to. Odds are no good as usual.

We got sprayed a fair bit on the first of the year. They ruined a perfectly sunny day. Got to see an orb of light again. Looks like an energy thing to me too.

Like I expected as soon as the rain stopped the spraying started.

reply to post by Zepherian


Pretty much repeat what I typed yesterday again for today.

Same exact scenario at the same exact time. Skies are putrid looking.

Guidelines visible again.

reply to post by utmostbastard


Haven't noticed any spraying here for the last couple of days, can't say I have been looking. I suspect that because we are a relatively small island surrounded by a very large area of water their activity is less than efficient in getting their goals. We have however had the heavy dark cloud cover without rain which is also typical of post spraying wheather.

One thing I have noticed is that the playing of a 528hz based music will help clear up the sky from the sickly grey sludge above the area it is played. I suspect this is due to an energetic vibrational frequency that nullifies whatever they do. I know it sounds improbable, so don't knock it till you have tried it

More things in heaven and earth...

I spotted Chemtrail activity from November 2nd-December 16th in Niagara Falls, Canada. I only started paying attention on the 2nd. They appeared pretty much every day when I was looking. We didn't get too many sunny days during that period.

Chemtrail free for almost a month!

reply to post by utmostbastard


Yeah there have been a lot of contrails in the Tampa area lately, you know why?

Cause its freak’n cold down here right now, and its always humid in Florida. Its so darn cold I have been having to wear a jacket outside.

In addition, short of sitting inside ATC how exactly are you interrogating aircraft transponders? Obviously, you're not, and you don’t have a clue of what you’re talking about. You mean they cannot find them on a flight tracking software? That means they did not file an IFR flight plan, it does not mean they have their transponders off. As your obviously looking at MD AFB, those are tankers and cargo aircraft that don’t necessarily file a flight plan with the civilian FAA.

Another ignorant Chemtrail Thread, just what I wanted for Christmas.

reply to post by defcon5


"how exactly are you interrogating aircraft transponders?"


You don’t have a clue of what you’re talking about.

Air has not been humid enough across the UK for any 'chemtrails' so far this year - just been the occasional short lived contrail.

Did manage to capture this trans-atlantic jet leaving a nice pink trail at sunset on the 3rd though

reply to post by defcon5


Cold, I think not. We have been consistently near 80 for awhile now. Well over the average temps.

Sounding data was not conducive for this "persistent contrail theory" to be sound.

No IFR record/transponders off flying and taking part in aerosol sorties over an AFB. I would think our security is a bit better then that. Obviously they knew well what is happening above them.

They wanted to obscure satellite imaging and who knows what else this weekend REALLY bad.

The only ignorance I see in this thread is your blanket denial of the happenings here in the bay area.

Good day to you sir.

Originally posted by utmostbastard
reply to post by defcon5

 

Cold, I think not. We have been consistently near 80 for awhile now. Well over the average temps.

And what was the temperature 30,000ft higher up?

Ground conditions have no bearing whatsoever on contrail formation (except when it's cold/humid enough for contrails to form at ground level )

They wanted to obscure satellite imaging and who knows what else this weekend REALLY bad.

How exactly would a few contrails do that? And whose satellite imaging are we talking about?

Or maybe they were trying to hide you from the nasty Ruskies?

[edit on 7-1-2009 by Essan]

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Yes pink. Just like every other cloud in the sky at sunset. Go check out the awesome colors from the sun reflecting off clouds during a clear Aruba sunset.

reply to post by SuperSpark


Due to budget cutbacks, they're only able to spray mind control chemicals on odd days.

reply to post by Exuberant1

I really should not feed ATS’s latest troll…
But just to show that you also apparently have no idea what your talking about either:

Transponders, how do they work?The ground station usually consists of three transmitting antennas, the Primary target antenna, the Directional antenna and the omnidirectional antenna. The primary target antenna only shows aircraft without transponders if they have a reflection. The purpose of the Directional antenna is to interrogate the aircraft so it will send a reply back down to the ground station. This antenna sweeps around and the controller usually gets a 360 degree view. The directional antenna also tells the transponder to reply to Mode A and/or Mode C. Mode A is the code that you have selected on the front panel of the transponder.

Radar Theory
The ground-based ATC radar system consists of a primary surveillance radar (PSR) and secondary surveillance radar (SSR). The PSR locates and tracks aircraft within the control area by transmitting a beam of energy which is reflected from the aircraft and returned to the PSR antenna. The SSR transmits interrogation signals to the airborne radio beacon Transponder. Upon receiving the interrogation, the Transponder sends a coded reply signal back to the SSR system.

Any more words of sagely expertise from you?

Originally posted by utmostbastard
Cold, I think not. We have been consistently near 80 for awhile now. Well over the average temps.

Are you kidding me, its 57 outside right now. The days high is in the low 70’s and that is at surface level. It gets colder the higher up you go: Tampa Weather

Originally posted by utmostbastard
Sounding data was not conducive for this "persistent contrail theory" to be sound.

Show me the numbers baby…
You already say its in the 80’s when its in the high 50’s to low 70’s, how accurate can your sounding data be?

Originally posted by utmostbastard
No IFR record/transponders off flying and taking part in aerosol sorties over an AFB.

Unless your sitting in the cockpit, or in ATC, I still want to know how you know what the transponders condition is?

Originally posted by utmostbastard
I would think our security is a bit better then that. Obviously they knew well what is happening above them.

I worked for years in this area in aviation and I have yet to see a single chemtrail, I am sure the guys at MCD feel the same exact way.

The crew is here starring each others posts and belittling me. I must have hit a nerve.

Defcon... It was 82 here all weekend. If you lived here you would know that. You chime in the day the cold front has settled. How ironic.

My sounding data is taken from weather.uwyo.edu... . Humidity was nowhere near high enough.

Flights at cruising altitude do not cross directly over a major airport and an AFB located with 8 miles of one another.

The only time they happen to they seem not to exist publicly for tracking and are spewing trails out.

I can't wait for the day that these operations are made public.

Please do tell why 20+ flights would be randomly flying over an AFB laying trails that did not exist publicly. I am all ears.


[edit on 8-1-2009 by utmostbastard]

I have a really good family friend who was a captain for Continental for over 20 years. He told me that if it is commercial airliners that are leaving these chemtrails, then the pilots are doing it without knowing it. Now he didnt rule out that commercial airliners were spraying chemtrails but he did say that if they were then the chemicals were probably a fuel additive or that the sprayers were controlled from elsewhere.


Anyone who says these trails are contrails, obviously isn't very informed. A contrail lasts seconds usually less than a minute. A contrail does NOT stay for hours and spread out across the sky. They just do not.

Coming from a long line of pilots, my family has been staring into the great blue sky for a while. Only recently have we been noticing these trails. The properties of contrails didn't suddenly change. These are obviously man made occurances.

reply to post by utmostbastard


Did you use the Appleman Chart to combine all the data points and soundings to be sure of what you saw?
asd-www.larc.nasa.gov...
You know its very important to get it all of your data correct and in the right spot before making any assumptions or observations.

reply to post by leisuredrummer


And how do you know they don't last for hours? Who in the meteorology or aviation world agrees with you? Do you have any science to back that up or is this another one of those wonderful "I looked up and it looked strange" method that passes for scientific proof? I look forward for your scientific evidence that contrails only last for seconds. This should be good.

reply to post by GenRadek


Leave him alone.

I am working on my Airnav box now. I can't wait to watch you roaches weasel out of this one.

Out of spite my public campaign will be brutal, wide ranging and swift.

Enjoy,
Bastard

Originally posted by leisuredrummer
I have a really good family friend who was a captain for Continental for over 20 years. He told me that if it is commercial airliners that are leaving these chemtrails, then the pilots are doing it without knowing it. Now he didnt rule out that commercial airliners were spraying chemtrails but he did say that if they were then the chemicals were probably a fuel additive or that the sprayers were controlled from elsewhere.

Anyone who says these trails are contrails, obviously isn't very informed. A contrail lasts seconds usually less than a minute. A contrail does NOT stay for hours and spread out across the sky. They just do not.

Coming from a long line of pilots, my family has been staring into the great blue sky for a while. Only recently have we been noticing these trails. The properties of contrails didn't suddenly change. These are obviously man made occurances.

Nice to see a voice of reason here besides utmostbastard!

I started this thread and thought it was dead after the 1st. Just happened to notice it under recent posts.

I CANNOT BELIEVE there are people here who think chemtrails are contrails!

-Chemtrails are observed in all weather conditions, not just cold weather. Even during warm upper atmospheric jet streams. So those who are talking about its cold here or there... do the research. (Its simply not weather dependent).

-Perhaps they are not old enough to remember what contrails looked like before the late 80's? (there were no "persistent contrails")

-Did the fuel change? (nope)

-Did the laws of physics change since then? (I don't think so)

- Is there ANY other explanation for barium and aluminum in the fallout? (barium is a by-product of the petroleum industry)

On a practical level, it would be nearly impossible for commercial airlines to be involved in this due to the sheer magnitude of the material released in each flight (it would have to resemble a fuel tanker or actually be a modified fuel tanker).

Commercial airliners MIGHT be involved (unbeknown to the crews) insofar as a "catalyst" being expelled in the exhaust as a result of some specialized fuel additive. The catalyst would "activate' materials sprayed at higher altitudes reserved for military aircraft.

Lastly, why spray? I lean towards an advanced over-the-horizon radar system. Essentially making the atmosphere better propagate radar energy.

Next best idea? Instead of radar, it may be enhancing the atmosphere for the propagation of HAARP emissions. Just do a free patent search at uspto.gov There are a variety of patents, many by our largest defense contractors supporting this theory. Some say that the EM spectrum is a new battleground that Russia and the US have never stopped fighting over despite the end of the cold war.

Next, weather control of course. Just do a free patent search at uspto.gov There are a variety of patents on this one too. Look it up.

Last one, and this is a stretch. Let's say our government considers it such a matter of national security that the health risks are worth it... to detect stealth aircraft (or, say... UFO's). if you could particulate the atmosphere with an "active medium" to create an effect like when you put ink in a fish tank. Even if you cannot get a reflection off of a target bogey, you are alerted to anomalies in the motion of the particulate (like a disturbance of the ink in the water of the fish tank).

Well, from the person who started the thread but has not seen this in weeks, thank you all for contributing. Don't worry about the nay sayers here and elsewhere. The best place to hide things from people is right in front of (or above) them.


[edit on 10-1-2009 by SuperSpark]