Kulongoski To Pursue 'Mileage Tax'

Kulongoski To Pursue 'Mileage Tax'

www.dhonline.com

According to the policies he has outlined online, Kulongoski proposes to continue the work of the special task force that came up with and tested the idea of a mileage tax to replace the gas tax. The governor wants the task force “to partner with auto manufacturers to refine technology that would enable Oregonians to pay for the transportation system based on how many miles they drive.”

The online outline adds: “The governor is committed to ensuring that rural Oregon is not adversely affected and that privacy concerns are addressed.” When the task force’s study and test were in the news in 2006 and 2007, critics worried that the technology could be used to track where vehicles go, not just how far they travel, and that this information would somehow be stored by the government.

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[edit on 29-12-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

This is a story to keep an eye on IMO.

GPS satellite tracking of vehicles to tally how many miles they drive, and taxing them accordingly?

Of course the folks behind this claim there is no violation of privacy issues, but when DOESN'T big brother claim such things, even when they are illegally spying and wire-tapping us?

More Fascist nonsense. One can only hope this doesn't get approved...

A GPS-based system kept track of the in-state mileage driven by the volunteers. When they bought fuel, a device in their vehicles was read, and they paid 1.2 cents a mile and got a refund of the state gas tax of 24 cents a gallon.

www.dhonline.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

So, if I'm to understand this correctly, instead of levyig a gas tax based upon the amount of gasoline you use he proposes a mileage tax based upon the number of miles driven. So, if I'm driving a badly tuned Hummer getting 8 miles/gal I'd pay the same amount of tax as the guy driving a 35 miles/gal Prius. Genius. That will help things.

Looks like all that will remain in Oregon will be all those socialists that love thiskind of initiative. Oregonians will be leaving in droves. Its not like you're living in Rhode Island. It takes lots of miles to get around in that state. You know its going to take more like 80 million to implement a program like that. Are they going to try to charge vacationers by the mile? That ought to close up most of the resorts left in the state. Some people should not be allowed to regulate their own bowl movments let alone a tax structure. What lunacy!

Zindo

Well, it's inevitable folks.

Soon we will have a plethora of alternative cars that will get from 60-250 mpg gas or equivalent energy. It would be a nightmare taxing all the different forms of energy and we wouldn't know if they were being used to cook dinner or drive down the highway. So, even if you have a solar powered car - you still have to share the cost of the highway you drive on and everyone knows what a hassle tolls can be.

If we're going to have a tax to pay for the infrastructure and it's upkeep, GPS (or its equivalent) will have to be implemented before we're all getting 90mpg in our electric gas or alternative cars. Otherwise the tax collected from gas will get so small that they'd have to raise the gas tax which would dis-proportionally tax poorer people more who can't afford buy the newer cars.

I think it's more important that we start thinking about ways or laws to protect our privacy - by filtering out where we go and when - while still providing distance for use tax of our highways. There should be some sort of due process before one could obtain more information than mileage for tax purposes.

[edit on 29-12-2008 by verylowfrequency]

The idiots will have us all keeping logs like we do in trucking! I can see it now, weekend traffic stops to check logs and time of service against the computer in your car. They start that and I'm taking a hammer to the damn computer under my seat!!!!

Zindo

Originally posted by jtma508
35 miles/gal Prius

Really???? 35 MPG?? My 2.7L "gas-guzzling 4x4" does more than that!!

What a joke!!

What a joke the Prius is. It makes more polution because of the battery than it saves in carbon and polution driving it in its lifetime! They mine the nickel and cadmium in the US, then ship it to Russia who purifiers the elements, and then ship it to Japan to build the battery, then ship the batteries to the US for install. Its a feel good care that makes absolutly NO sense and gets mediocre gas milage debut! But the "Greenies" love them! Numbutt ijuts!!!

Zindo


[edit on 12/29/2008 by ZindoDoone]

Oh man, this had better not fly. I'm with Zindo, it's hammer time if this happens in my state. Good post again OP, your posts are always informative.

Originally posted by jtma508
So, if I'm to understand this correctly, instead of levyig a gas tax based upon the amount of gasoline you use he proposes a mileage tax based upon the number of miles driven. So, if I'm driving a badly tuned Hummer getting 8 miles/gal I'd pay the same amount of tax as the guy driving a 35 miles/gal Prius. Genius. That will help things.

That's why this is nothing but an excuse to track your every move. Total Information Awareness did not just go away. It went underground.

Let me guess....this idiot is a Democrat...right? Probably believes in Global Warming too.

People actually listened to these whackos and starting conserving, driving less, getting more fuel efficient cars, and how do they get rewarded for it? By paying more in taxes!

No wonder why the government wants to take over the auto industry...it's much easier to mandatorily dictate new technology in autos when you own the industry, than it is to "partner" with the auto manufacturers to get something you want.

I can hear the IRS agent now...."Mr. Jones....your recent trip from Oregon to Florida raised a red flag in our agency and has triggered an audit on your tax returns. (in other words) "How can someone on your income afford such a trip?"

..........................

after I typed the last paragraph I started thinking.......would Oregon State still be able to tax it citizens on mileage driven outside the state????

[edit on 29-12-2008 by RRconservative]

Couple of thoughts. First, does that mean the state would forgo it's gasoline taxes? I'm sure not.
Second thought is if GPS tracking can tell how many miles your going I would venture to say that they could also get your speed. More Money, More Money, More Money. I think they'll call it "waste of natural resources" and tack it on to your tax bill.

I couldn't resist the old More Money bit.

Originally posted by Tinman67
Couple of thoughts. First, does that mean the state would forgo it's gasoline taxes? I'm sure not.
Second thought is if GPS tracking can tell how many miles your going I would venture to say that they could also get your speed. More Money, More Money, More Money. I think they'll call it "waste of natural resources" and tack it on to your tax bill.

I couldn't resist the old More Money bit.

Yeah the blood sucking parasites always want a little more.

What a lot of ppl do not realize is that price of things are as high as
they are because of the layers of taxes on that item from raw
material to finished delivered product.

From raw material to tire on your car it is about 70 - 80 % tax.

Most ppl do not know that.

So when you hear a politicians say it is only a small tax increase
keep in mind they plan on raising other ones too all along the
process and it is one of the biggest sources of Inflation.

Taxes, Licenses, Fees, Permits, etc etc.

It is all sucking the life out of a once great country, one dollar at a time.

Originally posted by resistor

Originally posted by jtma508
So, if I'm to understand this correctly, instead of levyig a gas tax based upon the amount of gasoline you use he proposes a mileage tax based upon the number of miles driven. So, if I'm driving a badly tuned Hummer getting 8 miles/gal I'd pay the same amount of tax as the guy driving a 35 miles/gal Prius. Genius. That will help things.

That's why this is nothing but an excuse to track your every move. Total Information Awareness did not just go away. It went underground.

TIA underground indeed...

Room 641a - source of desired Telco immunity - all communications tapped

They were suppose to be monitoring just ppl on the watch lists,
but after a few lame excuses they just wanted to test the limits of
its abilities and decided to track all communications.

It would trigger on certain spoken words, or Text'd comments,
or Instant msgs, and store the ones that hit trigger words in
emails for later look overs by analysts.

This is one of the key elements of the EFF starting the FISA lawsuits,
and then bush neatly signing retro-active immunity.

I hate to think what we have not yet found out.

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit

Originally posted by jtma508
35 miles/gal Prius

Really???? 35 MPG??

My 2.7L "gas-guzzling 4x4" does more than that!!

What a joke!!

That's because the poster hasn't got a clue. And you were gullible enough to believe it.


My Mothers Prius gets 60-70 MPG on average.

[edit on 30-12-2008 by HunkaHunka]

My mom has a toyota highlander hybrid that gets well over 50 mpg in the city, there is no way a prius only gets 35.

Highway driving is another story though, because the batteries don't kick in if you aren't ever stopping. But it still gets around 35 mpg as a small suv so that isn't too bad.

AT&T has for years and years now been closely associated with the government and various government agencys. This even before computers became popular and available in the home. When the phone companys were broken up all they did was extend this relationship and regulation into the other smaller companies.
I was told this by a friend who worked in the industry. The general public knows little about this and is seldom given access to such thoughts and ides.
But Hey....!!! Did you see that ball game last night!!! How about those Redskins??? Did you watch American Idol???

They have had in place for over 40 years of which I know the standing proceedures to facilitate both AT&T and government. All they have done is adapt it to the computer generation. It sounds to me like this is the relationship that is desired with the auto companys. In continuing such relationships with other companys.

I think it was the Northstar automobiles which broke ground for such gadgetry. I see a day coming when they can not only monitor what is the position/location of your car but what is being done or said in your vehicle....even in your home. I do not beleive HDTV is being promoted for our benefit.

Da Tovarich!!???

Thanks,
Orangetom

Great..And I thought living in Oregon was a good as it gets.

I think the thing to watch here is the gps tracking system that will be fitted to your cars. In the UK today we have a similar news announcement on a gps controlled speed devise that they want fitted to cars, a bit of a coincidence dont you think.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by gluetrap
My mom has a toyota highlander hybrid that gets well over 50 mpg in the city, there is no way a prius only gets 35.

Highway driving is another story though, because the batteries don't kick in if you aren't ever stopping. But it still gets around 35 mpg as a small suv so that isn't too bad.

Hey Gluetrap, My mothers Prius gets higher gas mileage on the highway than in town driving.

The batteries do kick in during highway driving on her prius.