Is Islam A War Religion?

I'm sick of people that try to defend all the terroist and chaotic actions of Islamic nations.

Look at all the countries of the world that have had problems with these nations of Islam.Almost every single western nation has had some form of problem with these nations, yet the Islamic world tries to justify what they do.

It's time for all the western nations to wakeup and see that there is no reasoning with these nations,none what so ever.

England, Spain, United States, Russia, China, France, Germany, Isreal, Italy, Denmark, I can go on and on All western nations have some form of a problem with these Islamic nations.

We in the western world allow them to practice their religion in our countries we help their countries when they are in need ,yet they will not live in peace with us.

When we defend ourselves they cry like a bunch of babies and play the victim.

How many chances should the world give these Islamic nations?
I will not apoligize for any western nations actions for defending themselves against these zealots.

When are these Islamic nations going to realize they will never be able to defeat any western nation in a war they will get crushed like they always do.For all these Islamic nations I suggest they stop trying to convert western countries to their religion and go live in their countries in peace before they have no countries and no religion left.

reply to post by bigheadjay


As far as I can see, nearly ALL religions are WAR religions. They function to separate one from another and identify those who are 'of the body' and those who aren't. This ALWAYS seems to lead to war (or at least violence).

Spirituality, on the other hand, even within the religions themselves, seems to counter this effect.

Problem is; while people can be spiritual, organizations apparently can't.

reply to post by Maxmars


I have to disagree with this. Just look at all the countries right now that are having problems with Islamic nations. I do believe it is their religion because these Islamic nations do not separate religion from state. So every action they do is inspired by their religion.

reply to post by bigheadjay


I have to say, your observation is very astute. Islam and the political notion of a 'State' is a particularly complicated matter.

Even scholars of Islam have differences regarding how to interpret their law in this light. Not being one myself, I can't say that I know their thinking.

But my opinion of the impact religion has on society stands. It seems perennially to be the 'institutions' of religion that cause all the problems, not the faithful themselves. The faithful simply follow the leadership and rhetoric of the 'institutional' leaders; rarely stopping to think for themselves; usually because they are either told not to, or somehow discouraged by the institution from questioning the 'doctrine.'

Originally posted by Maxmars
As far as I can see, nearly ALL religions are WAR religions. They function to separate one from another and identify those who are 'of the body' and those who aren't. This ALWAYS seems to lead to war (or at least violence).

Spirituality, on the other hand, even within the religions themselves, seems to counter this effect.

Problem is; while people can be spiritual, organizations apparently can't.

Good post- I think it may have something to do with the inherent superiority complex one must adopt if one is to become a member of an organised religious institution/sect/cult,particularly an abrahamic one.

I think 'spirituality' is a completely different animal altogether and has very little to do with most organised religious institutions and their 'expansion of empire' mindset or 'active recruitment' tactics.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Hi, i hope these points can answer your question ' Is islam a War Religion?'
I got this from an old GCSE exercise book i had in a draw.

Islam's views on war are these:

IF you get hit, hit them back. This is unllike christianity or most other religons who teach pacifism.

Muslims must fight, they are taught when there is a war involving muslims they must help them.

Jihad bil saif, this is warfare declared against apostates, violent groups, non islamic leaders and non muslim soldiers. Jihad genreally means defending the religon and expanding it.

They are taught to fight for a just cause, i.e. fighting evil


I hope this is of help to you in understanding islams views on war.

reply to post by bigheadjay


If you reversed the statement how many have problems with the Christians, you probably would have about the same raise of hands. It has been said a thousands times, religions are a way to control the masses by setting one against another. Look at any election, they are set on the candidate “going to church”, is that about the same as Islam? We are condoning the killing of innocent people with this war, and yet we are a Christian nation.

I think you find that many of these nations use religions as a front to build support.

If you can make a person of any set religion feel like a victim and use that to gain support then you can turn alot of people of nations against other's.

Some people view America as a terror nation, along with their allies.

Religion is used as a front that is all, nothing more and nothing less

My 2 pence anyhow.

BTW, i am not saying that America is a terror nation.

reply to post by Maxmars


Then if this is the case there seems to very little if no seperation of religion and state in Islamic countries.

If there is no ,or very little separation between religion and state in Islamic countries ,Dose it also sound logical that members of the Islamic religion in an Islamic country along with the country in question be held accountable because these are one in the same.

As for people comparing other religions to Islamic religions is like comparing apples to oranges.Without going into details I will just say that Islam is is not a pacifist religion most of the others are .These are easily verifiable .

reply to post by bigheadjay


You set this up wrong.

Everyone will take this opportunity to say Christianity is the problem and completely ignore the evil crimes of Islamic fanatics.

"What about prop 8?" "what about the inquisition?"

And completely ignore 911, by the way did you know that it was an inside job by Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, McDonalds and the woman who invented the "GREEN BAGS?"

I applaud your courage in this post and star and flag it.

Anyone who wants to discuss why Islam is not the problem, radical Islam is the problem and why it happened let me know.

3 years in the middle east, fluent Islam and work as a translator for the UN gave me some insight.

If your read the Koran carefully, you will realize that Islam arose at a time when Mohammed and undoubtedly other Arabs felt increasing pressure on them from the Jews in the region. Islam was a response to that pressure. It is a very political religion in its goal of uniting the Arabs against Jewish pressure.

Islam has had a devastating effect on other cultures wherever it has gone. It has had a devastating effect on the original Arab culture itself.

I personally believe that Islam's most important inspiration was political with religious considerations being secondary. It is a great example of religion being used as a form of social control over people.

Having said that, I must add that I have met and dealt with many Muslims in my life and find them to be fine people who have been both friendly and kind to me. I would never insult them, but as a student of life and the world I have to speak my mind frankly.

A lot of the greatness ascribed to all religions is really the greatness of humanity, not religion.

in reply to the original thread question and his or her statement, yes the muslim nations simply run on erroring with all of the rest of the nations of the world but they say this is our stern belief that God has no power to take the enemy out so now the extremist muslim will now have to do that for him, proving they of course never knew the living God, who sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins, if there was any question that he needed to do something different like crusch people who did not beleive then he would do so or of done so already. People, know this, these muslim people are trying to see if they can keep up with the western powers with only religion, can you see that its working..........i'm really not seeing it either, but they are still alive, but in such a way as if to be asking the western powers "please end it all for us, we've had enough trying to keep up with you!"

reply to post by guliver


I have to disagree with you in this aspect. Western countries separate religion from state. Lets take the US for example by your logic you would expect to see more and more Christian religion in politics in everyday life. Very much further from the truth. Since the 1950s religion has played less of a role in the United States politics as well as everyday life.Lots of laws in the States have been passed to further this.Example removing the lords pray from schools.

Lets also not forget the United States along with most western countries do not only have Christianty,there are moslems, buddists, hindus ,jews etc,and people from these religions also are politicians senators law makers etc.

So to say that when a western country attacks another this is because of the christian religion is pure ignorance.

Whereas in Islamic countries there is but one religion which is their law, there is no separation period.

reply to post by bigheadjay


Read the Koran and you will say "Yes"

Some of the more vitriolic quotes are listed here:

Harsh words from the Koran

To be honest most of the worlds religions have blood on their hands.

I could list some, but I'd miss many.

There are a few peaceful ones, but not many.

I would say yes but only to those who take the Koran literally or should I say those that practice extreme Islam. Those are the ones who seem to be rocking the boat the most.

Originally posted by colec156
I think you find that many of these nations use religions as a front to build support.

If you can make a person of any set religion feel like a victim and use that to gain support then you can turn alot of people of nations against other's.

Some people view America as a terror nation, along with their allies.

Religion is used as a front that is all, nothing more and nothing less

My 2 pence anyhow.

BTW, i am not saying that America is a terror nation.

Well if and when we get this scaled up.

100,000 gal per acre per yr in the desert with Algae

The price of oil should drop even futher and none of the nations
of the world will need to haul oil from the Middle East via
Oil Tankers if they can grow it on desert land for less than a $1/gal.

Originally posted by jam321
I would say yes but only to those who take the Koran literally or should I say those that practice extreme Islam. Those are the ones who seem to be rocking the boat the most.

Well I'd say we could ask Theo Van Gogh what he thinks,
but well you know...

Theo Van Gogh - Sharia Law in practice - honor killings

It is hard after the Fundies slaughtered him like cattle in the street.

I do not think war would be as wide spread in all its violent forms if the humans involved in the dying did not have religious faith.

I think that religious faith is perverted by the state or the church in some cases to farm the public of those willing to lay down their life so that they can get a college education or a paycheck.

That faith that was inspired in the soldiers that by telling them that God is on our side and our victory in this battle is assured has been used time and again throughout the human history of warfare.

The idea of immortality through glory in the service of God in their divine struggle has been used in countless battles by many religious cultures.

Religions like to pick out a chosen few who are meant to combat other religions’ chosen few. It is a simple concept to understand and absolute insanity results from these organized religious notions. This happens in all religions. I think Islam is currently the most chaotic religion because it actually clings to tradition western societies and religions popular in the western world let go of long ago. By alienating part of their religion western societies have prospered while clinging to Islamic convention in other parts of the world has caused many to suffer.



[edit on 29-12-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by UFOTECH


I think you bring up some good points about religion, but what about communist countries where religion is frowned on or not allowed in any forms?

Communist countries do not believe in having any religion yet some of the worst crimes against humanity have been done by communist countries.

This stance now adays and yes Lets try to keep it in the past hundred years at least ,this stance of saying all religions are the same when it comes to what they do is somehow politically correct brainwashing.

Look at the facts just the facts and please don't spout some politically correct quote by saying its all religions because it is not. These are the facts.Every country in the world has had some violence done to them in the name of Islam , and I can't stress this enough.Look at the facts.

[edit on 29-12-2008 by bigheadjay]