Solutions for Israel and Hamas??

Hey all I wanted some feedback on posible solutions to the current conflict between Palistine and Israel, we all know that Palistine feels strongly about the land that was taken from them, could giving some of it back be a start? how about demiliterization of the Gaza strip following a peace accord? lets keep the discussion onlu solution related and save the debates for the other threads? How about it? what could they do?considering all factors as well as the current state of the situation, again lets not do the finger pointing as we have seen from the conflict itself it does nobody any good, so with that said please feel free to be creative but at the same time realistic.

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I posted on the other thread but fits better here.

I think it should be given to Jordan or Egypt as a temporary territory, kinda like Guam and Puerto Rico, in addition to the land Israel had agreed to give up in previous talks. Once Jordan or Egypt whip the place back in shape, they could hand it over to the Palestinians to run themselves. Israel has had a good relationship with Jordan and Egypt and would be able to work with them and the Palestinians over any disputes that may arise.

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Seems like a very plauseable idea Jam, how do you feel that would go over with Hamas, would it have to be forced? or do you think that with the prospect of getting land back that they would accecpt without confrontation, stared BTW

Im not sure Egypt would go for this beings they are trying to shove the escaping populace back into Gaza. Or has that changed since earlier today?



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Hamas would never accept. It is in their Charter that they don't believe in peace talks. They would have to be forced or removed. I think Abbas would be open to this idea. Main thing is to show these two countries that they can live in peace and harmony among one another. Once they see that they may become more cooperative over other disputes that have hindered their ability to work united.


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No still the same siuation with the refugees last I heard, honestly I think they should let them in at least temporarly for safty sake I mean come on people there human beings, how much would it cost to provide some space where they could be safe and protected?

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I had posted an article earlier from Egypt news where Egypt was criticizing Hamas for not letting the injured leave Gaza. Seems like Egypt is trying to help but with so much confusion, who knows for sure.

www.egyptdailynews.com...

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So how do you propose that they be "shown" how to coexsist without conflict, or did you mean that in a hypothetical manner? as far as being forced I think that would be tough and require the help of other countries to accomplish it. Good find on the article BTW I' checking that out now, isn't that B.S let the wounded go for crissake!

"Dozens of civilians tried to break through the Barahma crossing after Israel launched air strikes along the Gaza-Egypt border. They were repelled by Egyptian police firing in the air,"

www.egyptdailynews.com...
Well at least the police wern't firing at them and only into the air.

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That is the million dollar question and where Egypt or Jordan comes into play. We know those countries practice western custom and could inspire this custom on the Palestinians. Once they see that education is beneficial and stronger than any weapon, they may feel different about war. Israel may also feel different once they see that their neighbors prefer to talk rather than fight.

Yes the wounded should be help. I think Egypt is afraid Hamas will sneak into Egypt and cause problem. Not 100% positive but I think Hamas originated in Egypt.

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So education is deffinatly a tool that both sides could benifit from the problem is getting them to focus on the future of their peoples instead of the war they wish to wage and the lives that they want to take, good idea Jam.

Well, a wish list...

In the short term:

Hamas should cease all rocket attacks immediately.

Israel should arrange with Egypt to provide specialist and emergency medical assistance to refugees from Gaza inside Egypt.


In the longer term:

Israel should nationalise all agriculture, and negotiate the return of farmland formerly owned by non-Israelis.

Israel should consider the possibility of contributing to the infrastructural development of refugee camps into viable communities, even though their initial proposals will be rejected. A system should be in place where Israel provides development expertise and seed capital for "forgotten" communities.

Originally posted by undermind

Israel should nationalise all agriculture, and negotiate the return of farmland formerly owned by non-Israelis

Great idea here, that would allow for much more Food to grown and used for Hamas as well as to be sold instead of dealing in weapons smuggling.

Hi alyosha, good thread idea btw

Farming and agricultural land ownership is a major driver of the conflict.

Israeli private ownership of farms which were formerly owned by non-Israelis has created a settler-landowner class which is disproportionately influential - not so much in the minutae of Israeli politics - but in terms of general policy direction.

A centrally controlled agriculture would get rid of a lot of vested interest lobbying, and the completely toxic relationship between the present Israeli farmers and the former non-Israeli owners.

I can't believe I'm advocating socialism , but in Israel's case it would begin to address one of the deepest rifts, and maintain food security at the same time.

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Thanks undermind! I agree that the land issue is a major playing card in this situation the question is, hes this gone too far to turn back now with Iranian vollunteers now getting involved?

All of these ideas are in fact excellent solutions for both sides. Given the history of how these two do not stick to their agreed settlements in past negotiations, it wont be an easy task to accomplish peace between them

Both are going to have to have an attitude change, not just one side. Lets not loose the focus on the fact that for decades, both sides have not kept their agreements. It is not just Hamas and it is not just Israel, its both.



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I wondered also what if any religeous factors came into play here? and if any how does that effect the situation at large? Are both populations Muslim?

well im guessing the best solution to the whole thing would be to tell them to wake up to themselves and stop fighting over religion.......

ahh to live in a fantasy world......

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No but they are practically blood related going back centuries. It wont be a religious point of view if both learn to just let the other practice their respective religions and change some of their doctrines, like the kill and then be killed to meet 72 virgins in Allah's heaven type garbage. All of that is pure religious bunk and as with any leadership that lies to its people, if the lie is told long enough, the people will believe it to be true.

Hitler did that to his people and they believed him so much they were intranced by his speeches and jibber jabber. The people will have to wake up and realize that the current docrine of their religion is not the way.

Like I was saying, its going to take an attitude adjustment on both sides to get a real peace.



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Come on. Where are all the members with all this knowledge of the root cause of this crisis. I am sure there are many more bright ideas that could be offer. Hell, maybe we could get so many we could send the whole thread to Hillary so she can steal some ideas from us. Lord knows they need them.

Ya, Great Thread!!!

Looks like you guys are already getting down and dirty in the real stuff!

Im personally gonna have to think about this alot deeper today, and anything I can think of I will add.

I do want to say that the solution offered involving Egypt and Jordan is very appealing. And I think you are entirely correct, that it is going to come down to these two nations to provide a bit of balance in the situation.

Perhaps we need a "Middle East Summit" where Israel, Palestine, and all of the neighbor nations come togeather to seek solutions. Also I would encourage the big 4 to also partake in this summit (china russia EU and USA).

But we need to slap a big ultimatum on these summits.
Rule # 1 = No one leaves the building until a SOLUTION is reached!

That will provide personal incentive to get them to work it out, now!