Whats going on at yellowstone?

reply to post by EngTech36


I think the quake at 13:46 is local to Yellowstone. No idea what the long green splodge is!



Can't get anything on GEE or Vase at present.

[edit on 12/3/2010 by PuterMan]

The Green "Splodge" looks very much like the bottom seismo on the vertical earth tide link you posted!

Well GEE is working here OK except for the IU network. I can't
see Chile, Turkey and Armenia. I believe the 1.4? quake is in
yellowstone. That is the event that had happened when I woke up.
It showed on almost all the Yellowstone stations I was watching
and seemed to be closest to B207, like the swarm quakes. I saw
the Chile 5.9 and it was on all my stations. But since I am watching
IU.LVC the Chile quakes show up there about 9 minutes before
the P wave arrives at Yellowstone. That quake was strong enough
to also show up on IU.ANTO in Ankara, Turkey and IU.GNI in Garni, Armenia.

The green splotch seems to be local to YMR and I am
hoping that either sound or FFT will help separating man made
sounds from natural events. I would guess at my current ignorance level, that it might be a car. [Edit: That can not be
right it lasted at least 5 minutes]

If it were easy to do I would be
tempted to go up to Yellowstone and camp out for a while at
some of the sites and watch the real world and GEE at the same
time.

I downloaded the sound file and played it through the Graphic
Equalizer in WIN AMP and turned down everything from 600 Hz
and up. I keep wanting to turn up the volume to hear more
detail but then a large quake comes and clips the audio, making
a loud snap, and I am afraid it might hurt my speakers.

But frankly I find the sound really interesting to listen to.
I counted 71 quakes on one time through and I was not including
very soft quakes. It is somewhat like a thunder storm coming
through with few quakes at the beginning and end with a build
up and then a diminishing and fading end.

[edit on 12-3-2010 by EngTech36]

reply to post by EngTech36


OK one reason I was not getting anything was because there is no YMR !! I have ALL the stations for WY up in Vase and YMR is not in it.

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Any ideas anyone?

Edit: I just grabbed two of them - YHB & YLT - and stuck them into a stereo track (the better bits) to produce this sound

Sorry forgot to add - this is about 5.7MB

[edit on 12/3/2010 by PuterMan]

I'm a lurker of this thread from page one. Some of you seismo watchers may be interested to know that the snowplows are now in full force clearing the roads for spring so you may see some strange activity. BTW- I've learned a ton from this thread. Thank you to everybody that contributed.

reply to post by PuterMan

I have never seen any YMR data there. THere are several others
missing. I concluded that they archive the best channels when they
have a choice. YPM and B207 have way less man made noise
than YMR.

Well I now have QuakeData working and have made some audio
files from B208. I noticed yesterday that LKWY which is near B208 was working for a while and it was also getting the micro
quakes, but I haven't found any archived data for LKWY.

I discovered that the noise you hear on the B208 large bumps
we have previously talked about, also occurs at other times when
you can't even see it. My older audacity program works great
with your files. So a great big thanks!



[edit on 12-3-2010 by EngTech36]

reply to post by EngTech36


LKWY was THE recorder to watch during the 2008/2009 swarm and even during that period it had problem with intermittency. Since then it seems to me to have got worse. I do go and look at it from time to time as it is sort of an old friend! Maybe they decided not to archive it now as it is too unreliable.

I am working on making the collection of USGS data a Windows service instead of using QDTask, and on a calculator that determines where an event on a seismo plot comes in a wave file and vice versa. As always, any input into the program or things you think would be useful - let me know in a u2u.

reply to post by PuterMan

That was an interesting stereo sound you did with YHB, and I
notice YHB is popping again this morning
www.quake.utah.edu...

The station that is really busy though is B208
www.iris.washington.edu...

I made a sound file of B208 last night and found that the back-
ground noise level is really too high to make an enjoyable
sound file. I tried to use Audacity noise tool just to see what
would happen and of course it considers everything you would
like to save as noise also!!

reply to post by PuterMan

Regarding that trace which is technically known as a "green splodge" -- the one that peaks at around 16:53 UTC -- I humbly agree with those who suggest it's local and most likely cultural noise. I checked databases and couldn't find a quake anywhere that would coincide when P-wave travel times are taken into account.

One of the cool things about this long thread is that we are now (as a group) developing enough proficiency to be able to rule out a lot of traces as not being quakes but other influences. No fuss, no drama; just "Okay, I can't find data that suggests this is a quake trace. Opinions, please." I like that.

And Puterman -- thanks again for those amazing sound files.

Mike

reply to post by EngTech36

I would guess at my current ignorance level, that it might be a car. [Edit: That can not be right it lasted at least 5 minutes]

You may sort of be right. Didn't someone say the snow ploughs were operating?

I don't think I got the same sound on the other recorder. Must get these Bud files sorted.

Small quake near West Yellowstone, which showed up on so
many instruments that I thought it was off coast of Oregon!
It was closest to YDC
www.quake.utah.edu...

All P times in UTC AMPLITUDE COUNTS aprox.
YDC 21:32:00.914 630
YWB 21:32:01.527 500
YHB 21:32:01.714 480
QLMT 21:32:03.758 125
B207 21:32:04.678 475
YHH 21:32:05.155 480

What is the magnitude?

EDIT: Just had a mine blast come through at 23:12:25 on YPK
it appears closest to here
www.iris.washington.edu...
but lots of mining today
www.iris.washington.edu...
www.iris.washington.edu...
www.iris.washington.edu...

These Seismometers are all east of Yellowstone. I hope to
find out what mines are near each instrument.


[edit on 13-3-2010 by EngTech36]

Yes, someone did post the plows are out clearing the roads - on Facebook Yellowstone has "Yellowstone Insider" which posts such things. I receive a post from them on March 9, 2010 I can not copy and paste so it says = " Spring Plowing in Yellowstone - With snowcoach travel ending in Yellowstone National Park the beginning of this week, National Park Service workers are making the transition ot spring, with park road crews began making their first pass with plows to clear a lane south of Mammoth.

I do not remember who or where they asked about the amplitudes of the waves that hit Yellowstone by the magnitude 7.9 Denali, Alaska, earthquake, but the dynamic micro-strain amplitude was of ca 0.5 at Yellowstone, a distance ca 3100 km from the epicenter.

I'll try to dig out the calculator I had so I'll be able to post estimate dynamic micro-strain amplitudes from other big quakes.

Have any one of you guys been at Yellowstone and had a look at the 75 m long rift that opened up 3 km to the north of Norris in 2003?

reply to post by EngTech36


Apropos webicorders this is just an experiment so please excuse me. I am trying to make it easier to retrieve/place data. I have updated the QuakeData program to extract webicorder plots from IRIS Washington. QD will down load the plot, allow you to save it as a favourite, allow you to save it to disk and allow you to place the web link into the clipboard ready for pasting here.

This is the experiment. This is a link from the Quake Data program.

B208.PB..EHZ.2010.073

Yay - it works!! I will release this sometime tomorrow.

This is a small version of the screen to give you an idea:



[edit on 14/3/2010 by PuterMan]

reply to post by PuterMan

Wow! That was quick. Please let me know how to safely upgrade,
re the things you do in the registry. Thanks.

The information I posted above re the quake near West Yellowstone
I think is incorrect regarding the amplitude. I see from the links
that PuterMan posted from Oaklahoma that the amplitude is
supposed to be from the center to the upper peak. Because the
seismograms are not centered I have been measuring from
peak to peak so the numbers I posted should be cut in half.

Well there have been 3 mearsuable quakes today and a 4th as
I am writing this. The first two were in the Feb swarm area. The
third one near Lake Mary - Norris Junction and the new one I
think is in that same area. Here is one view of them.
www.iris.edu...

The other day we were talking about earth tides. There is a very
interesting thing happening at Yellowstone Lake and it has
happened on several days so I think it may happen always.
Compare these two plots. One from B208 on the north side
and the other from B944 on the south side of Little Thumb.
www.iris.edu...
www.iris.edu...
The tides are quite far out of phase. I suspect it is caused
mostly by the water in the lake being pulled south and
unloading the north shore so that it starts rising first. What
do you think?

reply to post by EngTech36


Looking at those plots it seems to be only the last part of the curve that is not in sync.

Whilst the curve is larger on one i.e. not as 'flat', it is only the last 4 hours that they are really different. Actually this may be because of the scale difference. See them alternating



Later tomorrow for the upgrade.

reply to post by Roald


Can you point me to an article that says any such thing happened? I may be going through the park this weekend, and ive never heard anything about this.

reply to post by Hooptie333


Possibly this?

On 10 March 2003, a new thermal feature was reported west of Nymph Lake, located about 3.5 km northwest of the Norris Museum. A linear series of vigorous fumaroles about 75 m long had formed in a forested area located about 200 m from the lake's west shoreline on the side of a hill. Fine particles of rock and mineral fragments ejected from the fumaroles coated nearby vegetation. Fumarole temperatures were as high as 92°C (198°F), the boiling temperature of water at that elevation.

This is the source

New version of QuakeData is now available. Use the link in my signature to get the download.

If you already have the program you ONLY need to install the QuakeData part and do not need to (re)install the QDTask.

When installing over an existing version just accept all the defaults as presented.

The web plots has a minor problem - I forgot to set the date to current when you open the form so it is stuck in 14 Mar 2010. I will correct that in version 3.4 which will become available when I have worked out how to extract SEED files.

Enjoy!

reply to post by Hooptie333


Monitoring super-volcanoes from The Royal Society: geophysical and geochemical signals at Yellowstone and other large caldera systems.
By: Jacob B Lowenstern, Robert B Smith and David P Hill

US Geological Survey, Volcano Hazards Team
Department of Geology and Geophysics, University of Utah

See:

Recently, localized uplift in the north-central caldera also appears to be linked to temporary hydrothermal phenomena. During the period 1997–2003, uplift in this area produced dilatation greater than 6 microstrain (Wicks et al. 2006). Such dilatation could be responsible for some of the unusual thermal phenomena noted at the nearby Norris geyser basin during 2003, wherein the normally dormant Steamboat geyser erupted three times, a 75 m long rift opened up 3 km to the north of Norris, creating a new fumarole field, and a ‘disturbance’ in the geyser basin created new mudpots, fumaroles and acres of vegetation killed by heat.

[edit on 15/3/2010 by Roald]