The Athiest Regime!

THE ATHEIST REGIME!
It can not be argued against that Western Civilisation is strongly if not soley influenced and based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, peoples under the influence of Rome were converted to Christianity and grew in Christian influence hence
Peoples outside Roman influence chose Christianity and developed hence
Nations were formed, Monarchy and Feudalism based on Christian teaching, Monastic culture is the base for modern schools, university, hospitals, many forget western science was nurtured and perfected in Christian Monasteries

This Christian Civilisation was united under the Church of Rome in the west and Constantinople in the east, the various powers were not in perpetual peace but there was relative harmony in the path of Christian Nations which led to great abundance in the renaicance period

As is human nature great abundance led to curuption and greed and from this came division and conflict, Luther was not the first to rebel from Roman Dogma but definitly the most influencial and the efects were devestating to a united Christian Civilisation, Allies became enemies, war and hatred spread over western Christendom

It is important to point out the Protestant movement and the English Reformation for it is the founding of modern Secularisation (but it must be noted that it was a division from Church and State not Christianity and State) In England Henry the VIII made himself the head of The Catholic Church of England, he wanted to seperate himself from Roman authority not Roman Dogma, it wasnt until Elizabeth and later Cromwell that Protestantism took hold in Englands hierachy, a hierachy that would rather see a Dutchman sit on the English throne then a Catholic Englishman

Great atrocities, crimes, lies against truth and Christianity, fanatics of dogma and idealism from both sides, un Christian tactics were employed to get the upper hand, the war between Protestant and Catholic is what gave rise to atheistic literiture such as Marx, Kant, Engels, Freud ect

forgive me for the history lesson but now we may continue to the topic i wish to discuss, THE ATHEIST REGIME!

what happens when an Atheist Regime come to fruition, well the examples speak for themselves

Nazy Germany
Mussolini's Fascist Italia
Cominist Espanol
Comunist Russia

Not only has the Athiest Regimes devastated western and eastern Europe but Asia Africa Mid east in the wars that ensued
(Nazy ally) Japan wwii
Mao's comunist China (vietnam)
North Korea
Mugabe Zimbabwe

the wars against the various Athiest Regimes have led to the development of Nuclear weapons and WMD's and loss of personal freedoms
the cultural influence of Aithiest Regimes have led to scientific atrocities such as human youthenasia, mass abortion (more human life has been aborted in modern time then human life destroyed in all the wars in history) DNA splicing with animals

the modern atheists desire full seculirisation in Christian Nations which means Atheist Government, as i stated earlier secular states are in a state of seperation of Church and State, not Christianity and State

the most prominant Atheist Regime at this point in time is the UNITED NATIONS, its visible agenda is a white washing of race and culture in Christian Nations, abolision of National sovriegnty, aquisition of land and resources, a teaching of alternate history and family values, the disintergration of independant thought and leadership within Christian society and world society, a passive invasion of the UN agenda is in effect and world leaders appease willingly

i look forward to your comments and debate, cheers!
Notroh est.

Mod Edit: All Caps Title.

[edit on 26-12-2008 by MemoryShock]

The Nazis were Christians, not athiests.

...so there goes your argument, I guess.

Originally posted by Notroh est
forgive me for the history lesson but now we may continue to the topic i wish to discuss, THE ATHEIST REGIME!

what happens when an Atheist Regime come to fruition, well the examples speak for themselves

Nazy Germany

Normally Im tolerant of religion and the religious, but after hearing the BS that was posted by the Op....

Hitler wasnt an atheist...he was Christian, an a Jew hater I might add

Who is going to control the present - fundamentalism or freedom? History is being distorted by many preachers and politicians. They are heard on the airwaves condemning atheists and routinely claim Adolph Hitler was one. What a crock! Hitler was a Roman Catholic, baptized into that religio-political institution as an infant in Austria. He became a communicant and an altar boy in his youth, and was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ" in that church. The worst doctrines of that church never left him. He was steeped in its liturgy, which contained the words, "perfidious Jew." This hateful statement was not removed until 1961. Perfidy means treachery.

Therefore the OP is already incorrect or just ignorant

Mussolini's Fascist Italia

Mussolini actually worked with the Catholic church, and he's fascism was accepted by the church. They worked closely together

Therefore, Mussolini worked to get the Roman Catholic Church to accept a Fascist state while he planned to offer the Roman Catholic Church what it wanted.

Cominist Espanol
Comunist Russia

Both these are political ideologies and weren't based on religious prejudice, although some of the concepts are

Not only has the Athiest Regimes devastated western and eastern Europe but Asia Africa Mid east in the wars that ensued

Evidence?

(Nazy ally) Japan wwii

Ever heard of Shinto or Buddhism, Japans 2 leading religions...

Mugabe Zimbabwe

Mugabe is linked to several fundamentalist (are you ina fundamentalist cult? sure sounds like it) cults....he may impose limits on other religions, but he is far from atheist, he has his own arhcbishop

the wars against the various Athiest Regimes have led to the development of Nuclear weapons and WMD's and loss of personal freedoms

What? No science did that. Back in those days, many scientists embraced religion as they did science. This is purely fundamentalist hate propaganda

the cultural influence of Aithiest Regimes have led to scientific atrocities such as human youthenasia, mass abortion (more human life has been aborted in modern time then human life destroyed in all the wars in history) DNA splicing with animals

Yeah and the crusade wasnt an atrocity?

And...its spelt Euthanasia

And where's your proof and figures of the abortion vs wars numbers. Sounds like a lie to me

the most prominant Atheist Regime at this point in time is the UNITED NATIONS, its visible agenda is a white washing of race and culture
i look forward to your comments and debate, cheers!

Race washing, culture destroying? Sounds like Hitler's religion....

Take your fundamentalist crap elsewhere.....if I were a Christian, I would be ashamed to be associated with people with the same way of thinking as you

stalin, ghengis khan, polpot... all atheist. This is the worst Christianity Vs atheism argument still around. Makes me laugh how stupid people must be to think this solves anything... Wars happened coz of WEIRD, Violent people. Religious or NOT!
Christianity doesnt teach us to be violent. Nor does science and atheism. It boils down to the individual. Atheism AND christianity have produced some crazy people. so ARGUMENT VOID!!! SERIOUSLY!

you do realsie personality cult communism isnt athiesm?

its an attempt to make the leader a near religeous figure, all knowing all seeing, all powerful. so that makes pol pot, mao, stalin, kim jong ill dissapear

its not they were so unreligeous attrocities happen, its that theya re run so like religeons thats atrocities happen

and btw athiests were persecuted too by personality cult communism, everyone fair game if you dont play the leaders game

ghengis kahn was an athiest?

Religion
Genghis Khan's religion is widely speculated to be Shamanism or Tengriism, which was very likely among nomadic Mongol-Turkic tribes of Central Asia. But he was very tolerant religiously, and interested to learn philosophical and moral lessons from other religions. To do so, he consulted among others with Christian missionaries, Muslim merchants, and the Taoist monk Qiu Chuji

ooops that blows that idea .......


want to see what a real athiest dominated country looks like?

some of the safest countires that also provide the best quality of life for everyone ... all happen to have a higher athiest count

lets take a look at sweden



norway and japan are hot on thier heels too now interms of atheism and bieng such a great place to live

shall we take a look at real world statistics for America?

athiest the least likley to divorce, athiests the least likley to end up in jail, athiests the most likley to attain a high standard of educations, athiests the ones making your world better for you



this is just a repeat of independantjournalists twaddle that got dragged off to the rant section becasue it simply is a biased unsubstanciated rant

[edit on 26/12/08 by noobfun]

reply to post by Notroh est


I experienced some confusion trying to understand what you were saying so if I misinterpret anything, please correct me. First of all, I believe your 'history introduction' had some pretty serious errors in it. I'm going to skip it for now but if you want me to address them in a future post, please let me know. The following is just a response to your 'atheist regime' segment.

Nazi Germany: Nazi Germany was not an atheistic society or atheistic government. Hitler's and the Nazi party's religious beliefs are a source of great controversy but one thing is almost certain: they consisted of some sort of theistic belief. The debate usually consists of Christianity, paganism, or the occult. Very few scholars actually believe Hitler held or Nazism consisted of atheistic beliefs.

As for China, Japan, North Korea, and Russia, I suggest checking out THIS thread. I do believe atheist atrocities have existed throughout history and much blood shed occurred. Religions were/are also the focus of their wrath. That thread will also give you some insight to the Nazism/Hitler's religious side. The OP also presented some interesting evidence to connect communism and atheism.

Many atrocities were committed under secular regimes and I do believe there is a material conspiracy against religion. However, I do not believe the history of Christianity is as harmonious as you make it out to be. And I say that with great sadness in my heart since it is a shame to have to say such a thing but it is the truth. The same is also true historically with Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and other various religions. Then of course we see atrocities coming out of secular states as well.

Boniouk06 probably summed it up the best.

Originally posted by noobfun

want to see what a real athiest dominated country looks like?

some of the safest countires that also provide the best quality of life for everyone ... all happen to have a higher athiest count

lets take a look at sweden

norway and japan are hot on thier heels too now interms of atheism and bieng such a great place to live

[edit on 26/12/08 by noobfun]

Japan? the top 10 atheist countries include North Korea, Japan, Germany, Russia, Vietnam... some of craziest countries for violence historically. What a massively uneducated argument you have. Go back to wiki, find something else. Fail.

Originally posted by Boniouk06

Japan?
the top 10 atheist countries include North Korea

personality cult communism is proto religeon as already explained, so not atheism

Japan, one of the highest qualities of life, fairly low crime rate too since it got over its whole emperor worship proto religeon

Germany, about 50/50 now, not really a crazy country at all since it got over its evangelical phase

Russia, has an pretty high rate of thiests its around 70% so hardly an atheist state

Vietnam... is again communistic, but not personality cult communism which is why they allow 6 goverement recognised religeons including buddism catholasism, traditional vietnamese ancestor worship, vietnam by far eastern standards is probabily the least crazy country around and has about 35% thiestic

some of craziest countries for violence historically. What a massively uneducated argument you have. Go back to wiki, find something else. Fail.

sorry ever looked at the history of America? or the UK? we have our crimes aplenty too

maybe you should get your head out of your bible and onto wiki to actually learn a little somthing about the world

i fail by not making baseless ignorant claims? how strange

I read both thanks. But you're incorrect with your stats AGAIN

strawman arguments. you're just making things up to argue and win against urself. Entertaining yes, but arguable? i'll leave you be. Have fun.

here, some fact for u.. you might like them for a change.

Country % of Atheists Number of Atheists.
Sweden 46 - 85% 4,133,560 - 7,638,100
Vietnam 81% 66,978,900
Denmark 43 - 80% 2,327,590 - 4,330,400
Norway 31 - 72% 1,418,250 - 3,294,000
Japan 64 - 65% 81,493,120 - 82,766,450
Czech Rep 54 - 61% 5,328,940 - 6,250,121
Finland 28 - 60% 1,460,200 - 3,129,000
France 43 - 54% 25,982,320 - 32,628,960
North Korea 30 - 52% 14,579,400 - 25,270,960
Estonia 49% 657,580
Germany 41 - 49% 33,794,250 - 40,388,250
Russia 24 - 48% 34,507,680 - 69,015,360


Ok, go on, get defensive, argue fact.

I apoligise that my "history leason" wasnt detailed and that i overlooked the atrocities made by so called "Christian" Regimes such as the Crusades and the colonial atrocities by "Christian" nations upon indiginous peoples, i agree with Boniouk06 that Humanity is the cause of war and atrocity no matter the beleif or ideoligy, i must define my understanding of "Christian" Civilisation as Civilisation that is founded in the teaching of Christ not those led by men or woman that claim to be Christian but do otherwise such as Hitler or Nepolian, even Popes and Christian Monarchs have done so

An Atheistic Regime i would define as a Regime that uproots Christianity and destroys Human rights and dignity, i judge a Regime on its effect not its propaganda, Comunists claimed to be bringing an earthly Utopia just as do modern Atheists but in reality millions suffered and died in the name of the reds, Russian culture was uprooted and the Russian Church was the focus of many of the comunist atrocities
I define a truly Christian Nation as one that emulates charity, forgivness, true equality and respect for humanity a Nation of peace lovers not war mongers
i also apoligise if i overlooked other world religions as i am writing from a Western perspective

Originally posted by Boniouk06
I read both thanks. But you're incorrect with your stats AGAIN

strawman arguments. you're just making things up to argue and win against urself.

ummm what?

Germany 41 - 49% so even less then 50/50 isnt it then sorry wheres the strawman?

The country has an area of 6,592,769 square miles and a population of 142 million. In practice, only a minority of citizens actively participated in any religion. Many who identified themselves as members of a religious group participated in religious life rarely or not at all. There is no one set of reliable statistics that breaks down the population by denomination, and the statistics below are compiled from government, polling, and religious group sources.

www.state.gov...

2. Orthodoxy report an error back to top
The Russian Orthodox Church is the largest in Russia. Many Russians, although they may never attend church services, consider themselves Russian Orthodox simply because they are Russian. Estimates of adherents in Russia range from 60 million (some 45% of the population), to nearly 100 million (70%), to as high as 80% of the population.

www.sras.org...

you were saying?


Sweden
Japan
Norway
Denmark
Finland .. all carry a very high standard of living, and low crime rates, high education rate

France ... one of the best health services in the world, also reasonably low crime

vietnam is probabily one of the better eastern countries to live in .. north korea is again personaility cult communism so not athiestic

Ok, go on, get defensive, argue fact.

why? youve shown some statistics some of which support my argument, sorry what is it your trying to argue? that they are evil demon countries or have history? becasue every country does

if you flip and look at the countries with the highest rates of religeon, education falls, crime rises, divorce rises, poverty rises

aye good points made there noobfun. Although would you maybe agree that poor living and crime rates in religious countries, "COULD" be due to the fact religions were originated mainly in the middle east where there is a bad climate, affecting the growth of quality life?

Originally posted by Boniouk06
aye good points made there noobfun. Although would you maybe agree that poor living and crime rates in religious countries, "COULD" be due to the fact religions were originated mainly in the middle east where there is a bad climate, affecting the growth of quality life?

kind of but its not as simple as that

when similar but less dramatic figures correlate for highly religeous western countries as well

and the same is shown just as dramatically for highly religeous south american and far east countries

multipul studies have shown (think its around 35ish) in all but 4 studies a direct negative corellation between education and religeon

so its not so much the place as the type of religeon practiced, the more fundamental a belief set becomes it reflects a lowering in educational achievment, which then leads to lower job quality availablity resulting in a lower standard of life, so crime becomes an employment option which leads to higher crime figures

its not a proven fact ill stress that point, the statistics show a common trend though that is hard to ignore

so yes the middle east does show this becasue a greater part of the countries there practice a more fundamentalist varient of islam

but the same is shown in sub-sahran africa where christianity its highly fundamentalised

to give an example of this during the dark ages christian fundamentalism was on the ramapage, over in the middle east while islam was very moderate by comparrision other religeons were treated as near equally as possible and were protected under islamic law, all the greek and early roman knowledge we lost due to the dark ages in europe thrived and expanded, in spain islamic cities had street lighting, paved roads, basic public services, sanitation systems while londeon and paris were just wooden huts clustered on the banks of a river

when we conquered spain back we suddenly had access to all this wealth of knowledge we had lost

and roles were reversed islam became more fundamental while christianity became more progressive so that knowledge we had stolen began to flourish and expand and our lives became better, while thiers began to deteriorate

it wasnt a super fast process but it was all built upon to reach the next level, but as western religeon is again beginging to fundamentalise the seesaw is starting to tip back, not becasue islam as a religeon are lifting its self but becasue western fundamentalism is weighing its end down

which is causing the see saw to balance out and sink under the weight so both ends while becoming more balanced are still getting closer to ground level ignorance



[edit on 27/12/08 by noobfun]

Its a very tricky subject, coz id have to agree that religion does cause problems and wars etc. But not by the religious people who follow their beliefs correctly. There will always be a minority that take things into their own hands and go too far. But that doesn't mean the rest of us who use religion for hope and comfort at dark times, are to blame for the small minority who cause wars and violence.
Plenty of atheists cause violence too but they aren't the majority. I dont think it boils down to this.

Originally posted by Boniouk06
Its a very tricky subject, coz id have to agree that religion does cause problems and wars etc. But not by the religious people who follow their beliefs correctly.

this is where i disagree it not the religeon its self but its ambiguity of language and contradictory texts that allow certain minds to view it to reflect and promote thier world view

like hitler he read the bible and it supported his antisemetic views and strengthened them, the jews killed jesus, they jews persecuted paul/saul, jesus condems the jews to hell, so the jews attempted to subvert christianity and today it is doing the same thing and it attempting to subvert christain nations

so there fore for god i should stop them from subverting anything and should punish them in gods name for what they did to jesus ... and we all know where that lead

There will always be a minority that take things into their own hands and go too far. But that doesn't mean the rest of us who use religion for hope and comfort at dark times, are to blame for the small minority who cause wars and violence.

your absolutley right the religeous moderates are not to blame, but as long as religeon is taught from an early age and the texts and teachings remain as vague and ambiguouse the oppotunity is always there for fundamentalism to reappear, for the next crazy to show its ugly head and call its self gods work

such as the german army, while hitler was pretty dam fundamental the bulk of germanys army would be considered moderate christians, lunacy is catching, not all germans who fought are responsible for the heinous act but without thier christian faith in the first place it would have been much harder to convince them to go kill fight wars for god and to create a european equivalent of israel a promised land for aryian christians

its the common ground of faith the crazy uses to bridge the gap and inspire then none crazy to come join the party

theres always the chance of the next hitler, so its a difficult balancing act, the church of england were doing a good job they accepted new things and made them work for the faith rather then fight against reality and showed a highish degree of tollerance

but its now going the other way but not for its self but benidng over backwards to accomodate none moderate islamic desires

Plenty of atheists cause violence too but they aren't the majority. I dont think it boils down to this.

hmmm

if your talking a large group of athiests then that becomes mob mentality which effects everyone, its more the group anonymity rather then atheism

theres no perticular texts or dogma that can be used to promote violence in the same way religeon can be subverted to promote violence

you wont find athiests running off on a crusade to slaughter and take control of a country becasue its mentioned in secularist literature

or flying plains into buildings becasue it will please the laws of nature and grant us an after life

so yes an athiest can be violent in the same way any person can be, but there is nothing in athiesm that can be subverted by ones view point and used to raise an army to go out and commit atrosity

athiesm promotes freedom for religeon and more importantly for us FROM religeon, secularism isnt an attack on religoen its a liberation from one perticular religeon for all society. our laws grant us a secular goverment so things like the ten commandments shouldnt even be there( US court houses and schools). by removing them it wont promote atheism it promotes nothing in perticular which is precisley what it should do, be equal to all for the benefit of all

yes some of us would like to see religeon gone totally take away a place crazy can breed and recruit and go cause havoc on the world, if crazy cant mascerade as somthing else and is exposed for just what it is crazy, it will have a much harder time promoting its self, and its harmfull nature becomes more obvious to all

if it happens it happens if it doesnt were not about to go burn down churches, some athiests are social theists they enjoy the experience of church or the music or the literature or the generally nice people you meet there. personally i think so much of history in the western world would be complete nonsense to future gerations without the bible as a reference for peoples mindsets, so while i dont persoanally think it should be believed it should certainly be kept for historical context



[edit on 27/12/08 by noobfun]

Originally posted by Notroh est

An Atheistic Regime i would define as a Regime that uproots Christianity and destroys Human rights and dignity,

so islam can be considered athiestic? hinduism? christian sect against christain sect do the same are they all athiestic?

i judge a Regime on its effect not its propaganda, Comunists claimed to be bringing an earthly Utopia just as do modern Atheists

umm we want a secular state and freedom from religeon

how does this equate to totalitariansim?

we dont promise a utopia, people would only spoil it anyway

we want a world where comon sense is infact a common thing, where education is prized for the good of all mankind

how is this tolatarianism? or fascism?

a world where you cna believe anything you like your just not allowed to go beat everyone else about the head withit and scare them into joining your gang is hardly what your describing

but in reality millions suffered and died in the name of the reds, Russian culture was uprooted and the Russian Church was the focus of many of the comunist atrocities

as well as the subverting of science as it was considered against the parties ideals

hell even evolution was frowned upon as it promotes some organisms are fitter to survive and variation within species happens, but comunism wants everyone to be exactly the same no variation

I define a truly Christian Nation as one that emulates charity, forgivness, true equality and respect for humanity a Nation of peace lovers not war mongers

well you better keep looking to find one of those

there isnt one and to the best of my knowledge ever been one

try looking up what athesim is about and wants then change your view of an atheistic nature to fit the facts

if you flip and look at the countries with the highest rates of religeon, education falls, crime rises, divorce rises, poverty rises



no no no, this is the result of false teachings and hypocrites. God said don't commit crime, don't divorce wife, blessed are the peacemakers, love your enemies ect..

if those were actually followed as Christ said, no violence would exist.

But you see with athiest, a theory, you don't have a moral standard to go by, you have what you call be a good person, but the teachings are of mans understanding and not Gods, and so there will still be wars and sins and it's because no moral code exist.

Our prisons were formed baised on the tenits of the ten commandments and the foundation of Gods grace he planted in the soul.

morality comes from God.

Now as for the wars. I thought the crusades and all the wars were to protect Isreal and the church from an overhaul of the Muslims. God reads hearts, he knows the enemies plans against his church, the church that is speaking voice of the literal creator of the universe.

And so I truly believe God didn't want those wars to happen but they had to for mandkinds existence and his church to flourish from evil.

because God teaches love your enemies, and noone else on Earth loves their enemies. Because Gods heart is not ours and he can't just contradict himself, so those wars happened for a reason.


Now Hitler. He's was NOT christian. He was an evil hypocrite. Just because he claimed to take Gods wrath on the jews doesn't make him christian.

Infact God said


" pray for the jews "

not murder them, so that right there means he's an evil dictator like the muslim terrorists who take judgements out in their own cause not having Gods baking.

He's an evil pile of crap, not christian.



There's a difference between hypocrites and true real peacful believers. A big difference, yet alot of athiest don't recognize it because it gives them a cop out to judge the whole loaf even more.


the bottom line on this thread.

Athiestic communist will continue to build nukes and it will lead to WW3, and it's not going to be about religion but about money and power and the NWOs plans for global communism under a false antichrist.

war will exist without religion and with religion. That's just a fact. But what the governments will do is use the argument that ALL religious people are dangerous like noobfun described saying it can lead to fanatics.

can doesn't mean it will.

but that's their argument and so the prophecies will come true from over 500 years ago by the saints.


" they will be imprisoned and murdered "

meaning us on that same argument.


peace.

Originally posted by JesusisTruth
no no no, this is the result of false teachings and hypocrites. God said don't commit crime, don't divorce wife, blessed are the peacemakers, love your enemies ect..

well thats every christian in america then, way to judge ever one

athiests/agnostics make up 16.1% of the total population of america, christianity in various forms make up 75%

% of gross divorce figures by religon

christinaity 51%
athiest 21%

% prison population

christianity 75%
atheism 0.21%

% abortion

christianity 70%
atheism 20%

infact the only time religeon seems to play a real part is prison statistics, athiests on average are higher educated are in better employment and so are far less likley to commit criminal offenses

But you see with athiest, a theory,

umm atheism is a disbelief in any magical supernatural entity thats not a thoery its a lack of faith

why do i feel a completley wrong generalisation comming on

you don't have a moral standard to go by,

really?

actually our moral codes that we live by are shaped by group social dynamics and mutual suvivability stratergies found in every social animal species,

the bible decided to borrow them, and your moral guide tells you to kill a woman who has been raped if she didnt scream loud enough, ...... is it really such a moral guide?

how about killing your kids becasue they are rude or question your authority?

how about killing people who do not observe the sabbath (its on saturday btw so stone your self as well)

jesus never recended gods law, he gave some more but never said dont carry out the old ones, to which you will reply he said dont throw stones, to which i will reply he later told the pharisee they should still comply to gods law and stone thier unruly children and he wouldnt comply to mans law until man complied to gods

doesnt it strike you as odd that do not kill, do not steal, treat neighbours(or village) fairly turn up in every single culture all over the world? in every religeon all over the world (the exception would be sacraficial offerings but the dont kill applies to everyone but those)

you have what you call be a good person, but the teachings are of mans understanding and not Gods,

watch this

and this


and then this


they are of natures teachings, were good for the sake of being good, its not good for the fear of eternal damnation, good actions born of fear arnt really good

and so there will still be wars and sins and it's because no moral code exist.

you have read the bible? where god comand moses to run around atatcking every other tribe? where it says other faiths should be destroyed and thier holy places torn down and burnt?

Our prisons were formed baised on the tenits of the ten commandments and the foundation of Gods grace he planted in the soul.

oww dear how many times can this rubbish be dreged up

the law is not based on the ten comandments, the law is based on secualr laws of europe, which are based on common law which was around a long time before christainity

shall we compare the ten comandments to law?



so nothing to do with the ten comandments then

Now as for the wars. I thought the crusades and all the wars were to protect Isreal and the church from an overhaul of the Muslims.

no actually it was becasue they decided that the holy land should be under christianities control
the muslims allowed pilgrims to come and go, but a small tax was placed on praying for none muslim religeons(much smaller then what christains charged muslims)

And so I truly believe God didn't want those wars to happen but they had to for mandkinds existence and his church to flourish from evil.

but yet he commands biblical figures to go wage war in his name several times ...

because God teaches love your enemies, and noone else on Earth loves their enemies.

actually that was borrowed from older buddist texts along with a number of sayings the bible was altered slightly and attributed to jesus

Now Hitler. He's was NOT christian. He was an evil hypocrite. Just because he claimed to take Gods wrath on the jews doesn't make him christian.

but as the bible says the only thing that counts to get you into heaven, the only thing that makes you a christian is love and acceptance of jesus, so by bible standards he was a christian .. just nota very good one

Infact God said
" pray for the jews "

is this before or after jesus condems the children of israel to the great void? or before god blinded and deafened many jews so they couldnt hear gods message?

and which verse is that your quoting?

not murder them, so that right there means he's an evil dictator like the muslim terrorists who take judgements out in their own cause not having Gods baking.

they have thier gods backing, which is the same god as yours, the abrahamic god borrowed from jewish scripture

There's a difference between hypocrites and true real peacful believers.

yes the later call them selves buddists

A big difference, yet alot of athiest don't recognize it because it gives them a cop out to judge the whole loaf even more.

wait your playing games of generalisation, suddenly become the judge judy of religeon and get to pick who and what is a christian, make comments about what all athiests think

look up to my posts do i make such gross generalisations? no ...so it seems your the one doing the baking

Athiestic communist(

its communism not atheism ) will continue to build nukes and it will lead to WW3,

doesnt christian america currently have the worlds largest stockpile of nukes? biological weapons? chemical weapons? ...yes it does

is christian america currently one of the biggest proliferators of nuclear weapons to the rest of the world? yes it even set up Irans nuclear project (thats history not conspiracy)

war will exist without religion and with religion. That's just a fact. But what the governments will do is use the argument that ALL religious people are dangerous like noobfun described saying it can lead to fanatics.

im sorry did i say all religeous people are dangerous? i quite clearly said they are not, i did say that belief in anything can lead to fanatacism which it can even national pride can go too far

i did say that those fanatics can then use shared faith to lure others towards fanatacism as seen quite often

can doesn't mean it will.

first thing you got correct so far

peace.

were working on it



[edit on 27/12/08 by noobfun]

Islam is a different topic, but atheism can be judged on its effects, in western society the greatest opposision to overt atheism is Christianity as an ideology not religion

the greek translation of Religion is simply a group of people with a common understanding

Christianity asks for humility and service toward others, and a moral code that is in oposition to dictatorship accumalation of power and wealth
Atheism claims to be a non beleif and based on rationale, but the effect of this rationale is self worship and supreme arogance as Stalin and Hitler can atest, all oposition must be disposed and uprooted as Mao stated "religion is poison" but it isnt religion but the idiology that he reviles, as the tibetans beleive in harmony and respect for life they opposed the self deitification that Atheism offers and many were violently destroyed for this belief

you say that Christianty has no civilisation offering peace, charity and respect for human dignity and life, well yes there is no supreme earthly power of Christian governance simply because this kind of State would oppose Christianity
Christ said "if you wish to lead you must serve" and in this form the Christian Civilisation exists as it did in Western Christendom before the great shcism, this Civilisation is built on the hearts and minds of its citizens that serve and love each other, these citizens are the ones that attend mass and prayer for world peace and harmony, they are the ones feeding the homless and poor they are the ones that defend the rights of human dignity in the public arena, the say the lords prayer before service in parliment, military, courts, hospitals, univercity and schools, they uphold free and tolerant societies and infact they are the furtile soil from which these free and tolerant societies grow

you say that secularism is what you seek but this is false, secularism is a division of Church authority and State Authority which has existed since the shcism and reformation but Christianity as an idiology has always been firmly implanted into Western State powers and they are expected to conduct themselves in a Christian manner (which ofcourse doesnt always happen) still Christianity and State have always been intrinsickly combined

what atheists seek is a division of Christianity and State hence an Atheist State, no matter the guise whether it be socialism, communism, nationalism, even democracy, if an atheist state is formed dictatorship is sure to follow
the Atheist Regime is the worship of self, i find it ironic how atheists offer an earthly Utopia yet in Thomas Moore's Utopian society the atheist is least trusted for they beleive in nothing but themselves and seek nothing but self gratification

Islam is a different topic, but atheism can be judged on its effects, in western society the greatest opposition to overt atheism is Christianity as an ideology not religion

the greek translation of Religion is simply a group of people with a common understanding

Christianity asks for humility and service toward others, and a moral code that is in opposition to dictatorship accumulation of power and wealth
Atheism claims to be a non belief and based on rationale, but the effect of this rationale is self worship and supreme arrogance as Stalin and Hitler can attest, all opposition must be disposed and uprooted as Mao stated "religion is poison" but it isn’t religion but the ideology that he reviles, as the Tibetans believe in harmony and respect for life they opposed the self deitification that Atheism offers and many were violently destroyed for this belief

you say that Christianity has no civilization offering peace, charity and respect for human dignity and life, well yes there is no supreme earthly power of Christian governance simply because this kind of State would oppose Christianity
Christ said "if you wish to lead you must serve" and in this form the Christian Civilization exists as it did in Western Christendom before the great schism, this Civilization is built on the hearts and minds of its citizens that serve and love each other, these citizens are the ones that attend mass and prayer for world peace and harmony, they are the ones feeding the homeless and poor they are the ones that defend the rights of human dignity in the public arena, the say the lords prayer before service in parliament, military, courts, hospitals, university and schools, they uphold free and tolerant societies and infact they are the fertile soil from which these free and tolerant societies grow

you say that secularism is what you seek but this is false, secularism is a division of Church authority and State Authority which has existed since the schism and reformation but Christianity as an ideology has always been firmly implanted into Western State powers and they are expected to conduct themselves in a Christian manner (which of course doesnt always happen) still Christianity and State have always been intrinsickly combined

what atheists seek is a division of Christianity and State hence an Atheist State, no matter the guise whether it be socialism, communism, nationalism, even democracy, if an atheist state is formed dictatorship is sure to follow
the Atheist Regime is the worship of self, i find it ironic how atheists offer an earthly Utopia yet in Thomas Moore's Utopian society the atheist is least trusted for they believe in nothing but themselves and seek nothing but self gratification