Surprise!!! Obama's Team Clears Obama...(?)

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
i'd love to hear what would have been said if it was bush that cleared himself.

It has been said several times by others and myself that the purpose of an internal investigation is not to "clear one's self". It's to find out what's going on. The reason Obama published his findings is for transparency. (He said he would)

IF YOU THINK BAGO DIDNT ASK FOR ANYTHING FOR THE SEAT FROM OBAMA'S CAMP,I HAVE A BRIDGE TO SELL YOU .

No one has made that claim. In fact, I'm quite sure Blago DID ask for something. And he was told all he would get was appreciation. That's why he was so angry at Obama and called him names that cannot be repeated here.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Spectre0o0
i'd love to hear what would have been said if it was bush that cleared himself.

It has been said several times by others and myself that the purpose of an internal investigation is not to "clear one's self". It's to find out what's going on. The reason Obama published his findings is for transparency. (He said he would)

IF YOU THINK BAGO DIDNT ASK FOR ANYTHING FOR THE SEAT FROM OBAMA'S CAMP,I HAVE A BRIDGE TO SELL YOU .

No one has made that claim. In fact, I'm quite sure Blago DID ask for something. And he was told all he would get was appreciation. That's why he was so angry at Obama and called him names that cannot be repeated here.

If Blago did ask Obama for something then that would mean that he was involved and should have come forward immediatly, right? If he asked Obama for something then don't you think that Obama should come forward and say what was asked of him?

If it is true that Blago did ask him for something then Obama needs to step forward and not try to distance himself from this.

Originally posted by jd140
If Blago did ask Obama for something then that would mean that he was involved and should have come forward immediatly, right?

If, by "come forward" you mean let the proper authorities know, I'm quite certain he (or whomever was asked) did. After all, there are taped conversations between Rahm and Blago or his people that we haven't heard yet that are part of the prosecution's case.

If it is true that Blago did ask him for something then Obama needs to step forward and not try to distance himself from this.

I don't think Blago directly asked Obama for anything. I think Blago ASKED for something (perhaps through Rahm or Jarrett) or asked what Obama would be willing to give and was told, "Appreciation".

Are you suggesting that conducting an internal investigation of the Blago situation and making the results public and doing interviews with both the FBI and the prosecution is "distancing himself" from it?

There is a petition going around demanding that Rahm Emmanuel resign:

Rahm Emmanuel has acted disgracefully, and possibly illegally in regards to efforts to sell off the U.S. Senate seat of President Elect Barack Obama.

Emmanuel engaged in negotiations with the Illinois politician now facing impeachment hearings over allegations of corruption for selling off Obama's seat to the highest bidder.

Emmanuel first discussed Obama's preference of who should be appointed and then went further and submitted a list of candidates acceptable to Obama.

These facts reveal that Obama and Emmanuel lied when they assured the public that, Obama would have a "hands off" approach to the Illinois governor's selection of who would replace Obama in the U.S. Senate.

Our government is supposed to serve the people, it is not supposed to be an institution where the politically corrupt and powerful engage in unethical conduct to further cement their political power.

It's time for Rahm Emmanuel to resign, and if prosecutors should find substantial evidence of wrongdoing, then for him to also face prosecution for any acts of criminal wrongdoing he may have engaged in.

I will not publicly post the source, since I'm unsure of the T&C on this.

They didn't cite a source either. Just spouted off a bunch of opinion and called it "fact". That doesn't work on other sites any more than it does here.


[edit on 28-12-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Are you trying to deny that Obama's team had a list of "preferred candidates" to take over his Senate seat?

Then what was all the "appreciation" about?

That's not "hands off" administration. That's corruption as usual.

reply to post by jsobecky


Kinda hard to resign from a position you don't officially hold yet

Though I do agree, he should decline the appointment.

reply to post by jsobecky


Is there anything illegal about someone having a list of people he/she would like to take over the seat he/she holds? I can't see how or why that would be unethical or illegal in any way.

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reply to post by Irish M1ck


It's the fact that Obama has said he would have a "hands off" approach to naming a successor for his seat. Then he turns around and says "...but these people would be acceptable".

No quid pro quo has been established, but his act was hypocritical. He says one thing and does another. And since the transcripts haven't been released, how much pressure was exerted has yet to be determined.

reply to post by jsobecky


It would seem that Obama merely provided a list of candidates for the Governor to consider. The list says that he wasn't pushing for a particular individual and there is no evidence that he pressed the Governor to select a particular individual.
Based on this, I see no conspiracy nor business as usual.

reply to post by pteridine


Hands off means hands off. Submitting a list of who you like is not hands off.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Are you trying to deny that Obama's team had a list of "preferred candidates" to take over his Senate seat?

No. I'm not denying that at all. I think it's pretty well-known that he did have preferences. And I don't see a thing wrong with that. Of course, I understand you think it's corrupt to have preferences about who would take his seat and to let Blago know what those preferences were, but I do not.

reply to post by jsobecky


Submitting a list is a courtesy. There is no evidence of pressure on the Governor to select anyone on the list. No "hands on."

reply to post by jsobecky


Right, but that's more just complaining about it than anything else. Nothing illegal or unethical was done, and to be honest, it would be expected would it not?

if they knew about the sale and did nothing they are guilty.bago said he wanted to place his wife in a high position in a corporation. they said no,and offered appreciation.that was in the fbi report. they had been on bago before this ,so it wasn't barry's camp that reported it.
it's called conspiracy.
but there's no way to tell a barry supporter that there's something wrong.they will NOT believe it under any circumstances.no way,no how.
this will be the downfall of our country.

lin k to fbi report story


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reply to post by Spectre0o0


If they did know about the gov's attempts, how do you know that they didn't report it? Obama is a lawyer and knows that many people are out to get him. He also knows that set-ups can occur.
Do you think he'd jeopardize the Presidency for some nitwit Governor?

because they were investigating bago for 3 years. then he went against the bank of america,and they arrested him..
you better believe that if barry's camp reported him they would have sung their song of honesty to the world,not had to answer to the situation.
just think a little. how would you have handled it if you blew the whistle?

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reply to post by semperfortis


That would be a very interesting read.
Hypocrits usually hide behind anonomity.

Originally posted by LiquidMirage

Originally posted by semperfortis


The possibility that he was investigated by "Myth Busters" is not germane to the article.

It is germane to obama bots like BH!

Just wait, in a year or two when the brain dead zombies that voted him into office realize what he really is they will be screaming for W to come back.

The best thing that could have happened this election year is a sweeping victory for libs. Now they won't be able to blame Republicans for the path of destruction they leave in their wake. Two years from now the libs will lose either the house or the senate (maybe both) and in four years a Republican will be back in the White House....I hope it's Jeb just to piss off the loons

That will never happen because the Obamabots you mention will ALWAYS find some way to justify Obama's actions, no matter how vile, evil and self serving those actions become.

But I'll go one further on this whole issue - I'll bet you that even if a direct link to Obama or his wife were found, the FBI would be ordered by the PTB to quash any and all knowledge of it. Why? Because to endanger the upcoming presidency of "the messiah" would damage this country beyond belief, possibly causing another civil war. Look at the idiot earlier in the thread who was screaming that Semper's comments were racially motivated. If Obama's tenure were redacted, small minded people like that would immediately jump on the racial divide bandwagon and this country would go into upheaval.

I'm saying it right now - even if Obama was caught red handed with the bids for the seat in his hand, he's going to get a walk and Blago will pay full price for it all.

Originally posted by sos37
That will never happen because the Obamabots you mention will ALWAYS find some way to justify Obama's actions, no matter how vile, evil and self serving those actions become.

Simply precious. Considering the Criminal Complaint itself, the Prosecutor on record and the very tapes of Blago themselves don't even hint at anyone in team Obama being involved, I'm sure Semper, part of the best staff on the Internet, is very proud of his thread right now, having ellicited such a smart and thoughtful contribution to denying ignorance.

Dark days indeed. But only online. Reality seems just fine.