Bottled water lacks in fluoride

By SONJA LEWIS / Cox News Service ATLANTA -- As more Americans are drinking from the bottle instead of the tap, dentists are sending patients home with prescriptions for fluoride. Most bottled waters contain little or none of the fluoride that is standard in tap water and is considered essential for children's dental health. So dentists are urging patients to mix their bottled water use with tap water or to buy fluoridated bottled water. And dentists are prescribing more fluoride treatments, pills and drops.

They don't want people to get a lack of fluoride - the government really cares about your health so they are now adding it to over 2/3 of public water systems and plan to expand.


This really is sad people don't know and don't reconize the health dangers to fluoride.

source: waterindustry.org...

Flouride is great for your teeth, but it really doesn't do crap for you if you drink it, it's supposed to be applied to your teeth, not swallowed. Like toothpaste, which is basically flouride.


But no, there's no Flouride conspiracy by the government, it won't dumb you down and even if it does, it's not their goal.

The simple reason why Flouride is put into public water systems, is to save the government money. Flouride tends to kill nasty things that eat away at the underground pipes, like bacteria, algae, plant growth, rust, etc. If they didn't put flouride and other chemicals in the water, they would have to replace all the pipes much more frequently, and it's not cheap.


So that's the simple reason why the government advertises flourdidated water as being good for you. Because if the government told you they put it in the water to save them money, the public wouldn't swallow that so well (pun not indended), would they? But if the flouride is going in the water to save people's health (teeth), sure! Put more flouride in our water!





[edit on 24-12-2008 by ProudWN]

reply to post by xstealth


Great post OP!

What are the dangers of floride? There are so many tossed out I'm looking for an ATS response

[edit on 24-12-2008 by Jkd Up]

Flouride occurs naturally in the water where I live.

I've been on well water for a couple years, which I haven't had tested.

Doing a quick search for "fluoride" "IQ" is probably the easiest way to find results of tests in that area.

I looked into the subject not too long ago and came to the conclusion the risks outweigh the benefits.

In one report I read, military pilots on long, critical missions were instructed not to drink tap water for a certain period of time before their flights. I didn't save that link, so I can't offer it here, nor can I confirm that it's true.

Certainly it might be safe to assume that the validity of any report can be skewed in one direction or another depending on the source. Obviously, the makers of fluoride additives aren't likely to conduct a study which might show negative results...

www.fluoridealert.org...

www.environmentalhealthnews.org...

www.dentalheroes.com...

www.organicconsumers.org...

reply to post by lernmore


There are only a few select places that have natural flouride, not many.
If people have kids and are on well water, many dentists request that they have it tested to make sure the kids are either getting enough or too much.

I skipped flouride supplements because I do not think that they are good for you. I think applied topically is ok. But I really heard it from my pediatrician that I wouldn't take the supplements. The toothpaste I get for my tot is Tom's which uses naturally occurring flouride.


The flouride the put in public water is not naturally occurring.It is a byproduct of aluminum manufacturing. They had so much of it they dumped it into the public water system. I don't know if anyone would really want a byproducte of aluminum manufacturing.

Originally posted by Jkd Up
reply to post by xstealth

 

Great post OP!

What are the dangers of floride? There are so many tossed out I'm looking for an ATS response

[edit on 24-12-2008 by Jkd Up]

www.fluoridealert.org...

These studies are plausible because fluoride is known to affect the thyroid hormone which affects intelligence and fluoride is also a neurotoxicant, said Howard.

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Fluoride in tap water can cause bone cancer in boys, a disturbing new study indicates, although there is no evidence of a link for girls. New American research suggests that boys exposed to fluoride between the ages of five and 10 will suffer an increased rate of osteosarcoma - bone cancer - bet-ween the ages of 10 and 19.

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This study examined the neurotoxic consequences of the chronic ingestion of AlF3 and the equivalent fluoride concentration given as low doses of NaF in drinking water. Twenty seven male LE rats, 3.5 - 4.5 months of age, were studied. The animals were divided into 3 groups based on the contents of the drinking water: control, NaF, or AlF3. Water was available ad libium for 52 weeks. Significantly more rats died in the AlF3 group than the control group during the study. Histological examinations involved the following stains: Cresy Violet, Bielschowsky silver, H&E, Morin Aluminum fluorescence, Beta Amyloid, Amyloid A, and IgM. Overall, neuronal loss was more prominent in the AlF3 group than the NaF and control groups in the left hemisphere and in the dentate gyrus of both hemispheres. Toxin-induced abnormalities in the AlF3 group were more apparent in the left hemisphere cortex but changes were found in the right hemisphere hippocampus. Hippocampal argentophillic reactions were common in both treated groups. Beta amyloid reaction product was enhanced in the thalamus in both toxin groups. More IgM antibody reaction product was found in the right hemisphere cortices of rats in both treated groups. Overall brain and kidney Al content was higher in both toxin groups relative to controls. Indications of glomerular disease were found in both treated groups. This reduction and/or abnormal appearance of cells, the presence of beta-amyloid, IgM, and Al indicate that AlF3 is neurotoxic when chronically administered in the drinking water of rats. The abnormal appearance of cells and the presence of beta-amyloid, IgM, and Al suggest that NaF also induces neurotoxicity, although somewhat different than that found after AlF3.

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In their analysis, the investigators found that levels of lead in children's blood was significantly higher in Massachusetts communities using the silicofluorides fluosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride than in towns where water is treated with sodium fluoride or not fluoridated at all. Compared to a matched group of 30 towns that do not use silicofluorides, children in 30 communities that use these chemicals were over twice as likely to have over 10µg/dL of blood lead. "Silicofluorides are largely untested," said Professor Masters, who pointed out that over 90 percent of America's fluoridated drinking water supplies are treated with silicofluorides. "Virtually all research on fluoridation safety has focused on sodium fluoride, even though the studies in the 1930s showed important biological differences between these chemicals. The correlation with blood levels is especially serious because lead poisoning is associated with higher rates of learning disabilities, hyperactivity, substance abuse and crime."

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Originally posted by Jkd Up

What are the dangers of floride? There are so many tossed out I'm looking for an ATS response

There are many obvious problems with Fluoride. This is the reason why almost all EU countries have banned its consumption through drinking water and why dozens of other countries have stopped adding it to their water supply's.

The main non-conspiratorial problem is that because of its close relationship to Aluminium, it allows more of the metal into your brain that would otherwise happen. This has terrible effects on many people, especially seeing as trace amounts of Alimunium is appearing in more and more products - even bread and spray deodorant.

Also, it is worth noting for those that do not know.. The fluoride in your toothpaste is not the same as the fluoride in your water. The levels of fluoride in water has been known in many cases to cause weakening of bones which obviously result in problems.

There are many other serious health problems associated with Fluoride and while most believe that it aids in strengthening teeth, when in drinking water.. it does not.

Skeletal Fluorosis and dental fluorosis can easily develop after years of consumption of fluoride which can also cause serious problems.

The psychological effects of fluoride have been shown in a number of studies.

Click This shows how fluoride can cause learning problems in children.

Click This also shows the Adverse neurological effects on fluoride consumers.


And then there is this... I have found it pretty hard to pin down more information from the statement below. If it is completely true, then there may be a conspiracy involved.

Click

Nazis administered a nameless fluoride to prisoners in concentration camps, to "render the prisoners docile and inhibit the questioning of authority"? ...

The Soviet Union imported fluorides from the United States, during the 1940s, and used the fluorides to "maintain subservience" among inmates of the GULAG prisons? ...

Aluminum companies are big players in the fluoridation conspiracy, because they must dispose of countless tons of waste fluorides generated during the smelting of bauxite?

Fluoride ion induces tumors, stillbirths, genetic damage, dermatitis, nervous disorders and endocrine afflictions (among many other things), and that these effects are independent of the fluoride's concentration?

There is a lot more information to be found about the adverse effects of fluoride and how it affects behaviour on the net.. just google it.

Cities all over the US purchase hundreds of thousands of gallons of fresh pollution concentrate from Florida - fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) - to fluoridate water.

Fluorosilicic acid is composed of tetrafluorosiliciate gas and other species of fluorine gases captured in pollution scrubbers and concentrated into a 23% solution during wet process phosphate fertilizer manufacture. Generally, the acid is stored in outdoor cooling ponds before being shipped to US cities to artificially fluoridate drinking water.

Fluoridating drinking water with recovered pollution is a cost-effective means of disposing of toxic waste. The fluorosilicic acid would otherwise be classified as a hazardous toxic waste on the Superfund Priorities List of toxic substances that pose the most significant risk to human health and the greatest potential liability for manufacturers.

Phosphate fertilizer suppliers have more than $10 billion invested in production and mining facilities in Florida. Phosphate fertilizer production accounts for $800 million in wages per year. Florida's mines produce 30% of the world supply and 75% of the US supply of phosphate fertilizers. Much of the country's supply of fluoro-silicic acid for water fluoridation is also produced in Florida.

Phosphate fertilizer manufacturing and mining are not environment friendly operations. Fluorides and radionuclides are the primary toxic pollutants from the manufacture of phosphate fertilizer in Central Florida. People living near the fertilizer plants and mines, experience lung cancer and leukemia rates that are double the state average. Much of West Central Florida has become a toxic waste dump for phosphate fertilizer manufacturers. Federal and state pollution regulations have been modified to accommodate phosphate fertilizer production and use: These regulations have included using recovered pollution for water fluoridation.

Radium wastes from filtration systems at phosphate fertilizer facilities are among the most radioactive types of naturally occurring radioactive material (NORM) wastes. The radium wastes are so concentrated, they cannot be disposed of at the one US landfill licensed to accept NORM wastes, so manufacturers dump the radioactive wastes in acidic ponds atop 200-foot-high gypsum stacks. The federal government has no rules for its disposal.

During the late 1960s, fluorine emissions were damaging crops, killing fish and causing crippling skeletal fluorosis in livestock. The EPA became concerned and enforced regulations requiring manufacturers to install pollution scrubbers. At that time, the facilities were dumping the concentrated pollution directly into waterways leading into Tampa Bay.
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Chemical Datasheet - source From the Governments own website NOAA

FLUOROSILICIC ACID
General Description
A colorless fuming liquid with a penetrating pungent odor. Corrosive to metals and tissue. Both the fumes and very short contact with the liquid can cause severe and painful burns. Used in water fluoridation, in hardening cement and ceramics, as a wood preservative. (NOAA Reactivity 2007)

Air & Water Reactions
Fumes in air. Soluble in water with release of heat and corrosive fumes.

Fire Hazard
Special Hazards of Combustion Products: Irritating fumes of hydrogen fluoride may form in fire. (USCG, 1999)

Health Hazard
Inhalation of vapor produces severe corrosive effect on mucous membrane. Ingestion causes severe burns of mouth and stomach. Contact with liquid or vapor causes severe burns of eyes and skin. (USCG, 1999)

SECTION 6 TOXICITY DATA
Acute: Fluorosilicic Acid is an acute irritant to the skin, eyes and mucous
membranes and lungs. The acid and its vapour are moderately toxic.
Fluoride poisoning effects may be delayed up to 24 hours, depending upon
the fluoride ion concentration.
Ingestion: Severe irritant. Ingestion may cause burns of the gastrointestinal tract
leading to vomiting, acidocis, bloody diarrhoea, wheezing, laryngitis,
shortness of breath, headache and shock. Circulatory system may be
affected with symptoms of shock, rapid, weak or no pulse, severe
hypotension and pumonary changes with dyspnea, and emphysaema. In
some cases, necrosis and haemorrhage of the gastrointestinal tract, liver
damage and death may occur. Scarring of the gastrointestinal tract may
occur in non-fatal cases.
Eye: Severe irritant. Contact may result in lacrimation, irritation, pain, redness
and conjunctivitis. Prolonged contact - corneal burns and possible
permanent damage.
Skin: Severe irritant. Prolonged contact may result in irritation, itching and
possible skin rash.
Inhalation; Severe irritant to the respiratory tract. Over exposure at high levels may
result in mucous membrane irritation of the nose and throat with
coughing, shortness of breath and pulmonary oedema.
Chronic: Chronic exposure to fluoride present in Fluorosilicic Acid may lead to
sclerosis of the bones, calcification of ligaments, loss of weight, anorexia
and teeth disorders. At low levels, chronic exposure can lead to nose bleeds
and sinus problems.



For those of you who don't care - drink up, its good for your teeth


For those of you who want to know if your being exposed to it, check out your local water here

reply to post by nixie_nox


Absolutely right!! The thing the Government will not tell you is this:

Naturally occurring fluoride is CALCIUM FLUORIDE, as found naturally in milk, etc..

Now, the fluoride they put in water is SODIUM FLUORIDE.

You might think "Hmm - both contain fluoride, what's the problem?". The problem is that CALCIUM FLUORIDE is **NOT** the same chemically as SODIUM FLUORIDE!

That's like saying drinking Sulphuric Acid (H2SO4) is safe because it contains hydrogen and oxygen, the same as water (H2O). Obviously they're quite different!!!

It's the same here. Both contain the word "fluoride" in their common chemical names, but that's where the similarity ends.

Sodium Fluoride is a POISON, and is no good for you at all.

Sodium Fluoride: en.wikipedia.org...

Calcium Fluoride: en.wikipedia.org...

See how very different they are chemically???????

Sodium Fluoride: NaF
Calcium Fluoride: CaF2

Safety (of Sodium Fluoride)

Sodium fluoride is classed as toxic by both inhalation (of dusts or aerosols) and ingestion.[8] In high enough doses, it has been shown to affect the heart and circulatory system, and the lethal dose for a 70 kg human is estimated at 5–10 g.

Note that it is LETHAL between 5-10 g!!!!! That means it causes damage before then!

Safety (of Calcium Fluoride)

Fluorides are toxic to humans, however CaF2 is considered relatively harmless due to its extreme insolubility. The situation is analogous to BaSO4, where the toxicity normally associated with Ba2+ is offset by the very low solubility of its sulfate derivative.

Note that it isn't saying it is SAFE, it is saying that it is safe only because it is INSOLUABLE. If it was to become soluable, it would be DANGEROUS.

[edit on 24-12-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
reply to post by nixie_nox

 

Absolutely right!! The thing the Government will not tell you is this:

[edit on 24-12-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

FLUOROSILICIC ACID MAN....NOT SODIUM FLUORIDE


maybe you didn't read everything posted above:

I'll sum it up:


Cities all over the US purchase hundreds of thousands of gallons of fresh pollution concentrate from Florida — fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) — to fluoridate water.

Fluorosilicic acid is composed of tetrafluorosiliciate gas and other species of fluorine gases captured in pollution scrubbers and concentrated into a 23% solution during wet process phosphate fertilizer manufacture. Generally, the acid is stored in outdoor cooling ponds before being shipped to US cities to artificially fluoridate drinking water.

Fluoridating drinking water with recovered pollution is a cost-effective means of disposing of toxic waste. The fluorosilicic acid would otherwise be classified as a hazardous toxic waste on the Superfund Priorities List of toxic substances that pose the most significant risk to human health and the greatest potential liability for manufacturers.


The product is not “fluorine” or “fluoride” as proponents state: it is a pollution concentrate. Fluorine is only one captured pollutant comprising about 19% of the total product..............In promoting the use of the pollution concentrate as a fluoridation agent, the ADA, Federal agencies and manufacturers failed to mention that it was radioactive...................While the uranium and radium in fluorosilicic acid are known carcinogens, two decay products of uranium are even more carcinogenic: radon-222 and polonium-210.

[edit on 24/12/08 by xstealth]

Fluoride doesn't dumb people down or lower their IQ, the argument is that it makes people more maliable in their opinions.

Alot of research to show this has been done over the last age and Nazi germany wanted the population dosed with fluoride exactly for that reason.

reply to post by xstealth


I wonder why if this is why so many kids are coming up with asthma these days?
my second line

reply to post by xstealth

This study examined the neurotoxic consequences of the chronic ingestion of AlF3 and the equivalent fluoride concentration given as low doses of NaF in drinking water.

FYI in the UK at least, it is Sodium Flouride they put in the water.

Thanks for your clarification though.

reply to post by ProudWN


It actually does do "crap" if you drink it. From my research, young adult males have a greater risk for bone cancer, women have more brittle bones and have a greater number of hip fractures among other things. And it isn't "great" for teeth. I've used fluoride toothpaste my whole life. I appearntly got a cavity on my back molar about 4 years ago, I thought my dentist was full of crap and wanted my money. She used an ultrasound type tool to check for microscopic "spots" which I've read online to be sort of dubious, basically saying "you have a cavity!" without an actually black thing that can be visually seen. I switched dentists and started using a non-fluoride toothpaste and that "cavity" hasn't been found by them in about 8 checkups or any other cavity. I find it pretty funny when I go because every single time they say there is literally nothing to clean saying my teeth are "immaculate" Even said I only need to come in once a year instead of twice as I do now. So just a warning for people, some dentists suck and just because you don't use fluoride doesn't mean your teeth are going to fall out

Originally posted by ProudWN
Flouride is great for your teeth, but it really doesn't do crap for you if you drink it, it's supposed to be applied to your teeth, not swallowed. Like toothpaste, which is basically flouride.


But no, there's no Flouride conspiracy by the government, it won't dumb you down and even if it does, it's not their goal.

The simple reason why Flouride is put into public water systems, is to save the government money. Flouride tends to kill nasty things that eat away at the underground pipes, like bacteria, algae, plant growth, rust, etc. If they didn't put flouride and other chemicals in the water, they would have to replace all the pipes much more frequently, and it's not cheap.


So that's the simple reason why the government advertises flourdidated water as being good for you. Because if the government told you they put it in the water to save them money, the public wouldn't swallow that so well (pun not indended), would they? But if the flouride is going in the water to save people's health (teeth), sure! Put more flouride in our water!





[edit on 24-12-2008 by ProudWN]

what the hell are you talking about your talking absolute gibberish

the fluoride administration is one of the biggest conspiracies, more to the point one of the biggests FACTS, dating back from the world wars.

go away and get rid of your subscription to ats, your obviously either naive or a cia employed disinfo agent. anyone that spouts what you have. has no other option

Forget about Fluoride. It may have some health risks tied to it but that's not the issue for me.


THEY ARE PUSHING PEOPLE TO DRINK ALTERED WATER.


Now its fluoride but in the future they may add a substance (with fluoride taste) in your water and no one would notice it.


Right now they just want the people to get used to drinking what they want us to drink. I honestly dont think dental health is the issue. They'd just put more emphasis on teeth brushing and dental hygiene like european countries.

i just boil my water. im also thinking of getting an www.ecoloblue.com...
it takes the water right out of the air....clean and drinkable and no worries. i do not want to drink water with Fluoride nor do i want my child drinking it...nor chlorine or any of that junk that is in the tap water. gross.



[edit on 25-12-2008 by Funkydung]

Originally posted by Funkydung
i just boil my water. im also thinking of getting an www.ecoloblue.com...
it takes the water right out of the air....clean and drinkable and no worries. i do not want to drink water with Fluoride nor do i want my child drinking it...nor chlorine or any of that junk that is in the tap water. gross.

[edit on 25-12-2008 by Funkydung]

chemistry.about.com...

Boiling Water Concentrates the flouride, does not remove it. Read the above link to find out how to remove it from your tap water.

chemistry.about.com...

Boiling Water Concentrates the flouride, does not remove it. Read the above link to find out how to remove it from your tap water.

wow. thank you. i did not know that! what about the distilled water they sell at wal-mart. i do get that from time to time.