Palestinian rocket misfires, kills 2 girls in Gaza

ENOUGH!

Civility and Decorum are Required

No more insults. :shk:

Gamer, is there something wrong with you, how is it that its allright for the Israelis to spend billoions on arms but a people who are fighting for there very existence cannot. Its such a weak and lame argument that so many Americans seem to have picked up on in the last few days and totally ignorant and incorrect.

The Palestinians are farmers how do you propose for them to have food when their land is being taken from them, when the Israelis are blockading their villages. Obviously you must think all they have to do is nip down to the shops just like you do the only problem is there are no shops. If all goods are being blockaded just how do you survive no doubt you will have all the answers to these problems.

Perhaps given the example you could explain to me if your local area was put under martial law and no suppiles were allowed in maybe you can tell me how long you would be able to survive and then what you would do once your supplies run out. You have a choice, you sit there and starve to death or you fight back. Now if you are American you should have loads of guns and many Americans here on ATS always say they would fight against such tyranny so come and tell me what is your answer?

reply to post by GamerGal


Forgive me if you think this out of line, but in my book, blocking food convoys for civilians is a war crime and should be treated as such. The Gazans should not have to smuggle food. It's probably hard to imagine starving inside your nice climate controlled home though

[edit on 12/24/2008 by iceofspades]

reply to post by magicmushroom


Farmers who... Buy weapons instead of food! They could spend the money on food but nope, weapons. Why do the Israelis stop the food convoys? Because the Palestinians use them as covers too... Get more weapons in! If the Palestinians didn't strap bombs too women to make them look pregnant the Israelis wouldn't stop the ambulances. if the Palestinians didn't use the food convoys too get more weapons in the Israeli wouldn't stop them! If the Palestinians didn't attack Israel wouldn't counter attack!

From a conspiracy standpoint.

Humanitarian aid is allowed in and Hamas takes control of everything delivered. Fuel comes in and Hamas takes control of it. They decide how much to ration out and in the mean time continue to bombard Israel. Meanwhile, Israel is getting the international heat because of the starving Palestinians. Yet the only reason they are starving is cause Hamas is controlling the food. Now Palestinians have to turn to the black market for bare necessities. They turn to the smugglers who use smuggling tunnels. Tunnels that are controlled by Hamas. Palestinians are paying top dollar for the items they desire. Who is the one gaining from this crisis, Hamas or Israel? Israel is still getting heat for the crisis and Hamas continue to launch strikes into Israel. Hamas is starving its people and making a nice profit off its people via the black market. Can anyone say the best of both worlds?

Anybody remember the aid that was sent to Ethiopia, Somalia, and Myanmar?

How much of that aid went directly to the people?

reply to post by jam321


Its amazing. The Palestinians waste money on weapons and not food. The Palestinians waste time on smuggling weapons instead of food. And yet its the Jews fault... BTW, it is strange... During the elections we were at each others throats, and not in a good way. But the struggle of a people? Well, it makes strange bedfellows.

[edit on 24-12-2008 by GamerGal]

Originally posted by GamerGal
Those poor starving Palestinians! I mean, look at how they starve. Yet some how they have money for weapons and are able too smuggle them in...

Personally, I think they need better weapons. Force is the only thing a criminal regime understands.

Originally posted by iceofspades
Forgive me if you think this out of line, but in my book, blocking food convoys for civilians is a war crime and should be treated as such. The Gazans should not have to smuggle food. It's probably hard to imagine starving inside your nice climate controlled home though

I don't know if the Isrealis are a signatory to Geneva, but they are clearly guilty of numerous violations of the Geneva convention and international law. The US keeps vetoing the UN from taking action on this criminal regime.

Gamer, Oh please stop it, all the Palestinians are buying arms instead of food please. You have no proof of this what soever other than the Zionist controlled press, you have nothing and I see you did not answer my question.

From your head one and a half million Palestinians, men women and children are deliberately starving themselves to death to buy weapons to fight the Israelis.

Why not just admit that what the Israelis are trying to do is to starve the Palestinians to death then they will be happy. So you think that the mass muder of civillians is correct do you. Do you support crimes against hunmmanity and genocide, please answer the question and do not hide behind the Israelis.

GamerGal

You have a very muddied version of events and I don't really think you understand what you are talking about...

No offence of course, but you are viewing things as though the Palestinians are bad for wanting their land back... Of course the Palestinians are angry, they have no land, they have few rights and countries like the USA are doing very little but supporting the murderous Israeli government.

reply to post by anonymousATS


So you are in the "Oh those poor Palestinians look at how they starve as they bomb a day care center killing a dozen toddlers." Well, you can feel bad for baby killers. I'll hope they all starve because they wasted more money on weapons and not food.

gamer, when are you going to stop telling lies and start providing proof to back up your statements that the Palestioninas only buy weapons and nothing else, I'm waiting for an answer.

Originally posted by GamerGal

So you are in the "Oh those poor Palestinians look at how they starve as they bomb a day care center killing a dozen toddlers." Well, you can feel bad for baby killers. I'll hope they all starve because they wasted more money on weapons and not food.

Oh dear, it seems as though no one is getting through to you.

Bottom line: the Palestinian civilians are not "buying guns instead of food" in the way you seem to think. For more information actually read what has already been said in this thread.

[edit on 12/24/2008 by iceofspades]

Everyone living in Israel has to obey the laws of Israel, just like in the USA. If an ethnic group started taking up arms and launching missiles into Florida, what do you think the US would do? Israel has the same right to use force in order to keep law and order, and to keep the peace. If a group became involved in seditious activity and bombings we would destroy them.

These arguments that Israel stole land from Palestinians is hypocritical. How do you think we got our land? Most countries were taken over by more powerful and more advanced civilizations at one time or another. That does not give anyone the right to engage in seditious and murderous activity against the citizens or government of the country in which they live.

I observe the news too...for more than 40 years....and I see it is always the Palestinians or some other Arab people that breaks the peace with bombings aimed at Israeli citizens.


Israel still has the responsibility to take the lead in peace. They should offer them citizenship with all the benefits of citizenry, same as any Jew gets. They all descended from Abraham so there should be no problem. They can still keep their identity as a people similar to the American Indians. Give them jobs and let them get busy building up the country instead of destroying it. Treat them like human beings.



[edit on 24-12-2008 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by anonymousATS

 

So you are in the "Oh those poor Palestinians look at how they starve as they bomb a day care center killing a dozen toddlers." Well, you can feel bad for baby killers. I'll hope they all starve because they wasted more money on weapons and not food.

Are you for real?

You wish the starvation of a whole race of people because of politics you can't even seem to understand.

***Personal insult removed.***





Mod edit: Please Stay On Topic, refrain from further personal attacks, and comply with moderator instructions. -- Majic

[edit on 12/24/2008 by Majic]

Originally posted by John Matrix

I observe the news too...for more than 40 years....and I see it is always the Palestinians or some other Arab people that breaks the peace with bombings aimed at Israeli citizens.
[edit on 24-12-2008 by John Matrix]

Yes because the news wouldn't want to make the jews look bad would they?

I have serious doubts these people will change if they don't leave these areas. The so-called Zionists as if feed the Palestinians as if caged animals? and these people react like them? If it was the other way around, I doubt it would be any different.

This war and rebellion seems not too disimilar from what the Jews were reported to have gone through with the Romans. And yet, we may not actually know the whole and real truth from back then either.

Apparently, this is their mantra and way of life on both sides. Thiis is their matrix/script program there. The best thing anyone can do there is leave.

Even if all the Jews left, the Palestinian hardliners etc. would feel it still wasn't enough and that they had been cheated from a more prosperous victory and 'mythical' ancient birthright.

The deaths in Iraq has also strongly suggested these people would then fight each other for control anyway. This area is more cursed than blessed as far as I'm concerned. So much for the "Holy Land"

Even bible prophecy makes mention of a nuclear explosion....someplace. It may even be there. If certain people can't have it, than they will make it uninhabitable for anyone.

These people have been programed to act the way they do. What type of god would do that? Probably the one as described by the Gnostics.

[edit on 24-12-2008 by aleon1018]

reply to post by anonymousATS


Weapons? Is that so?

Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and Mandela didn't seem to need them.

Violence is not the answer here.

Over 70 missiles and mortars have now been fired. If Israel does invade Gaza look for Hezbollah to get involved as well and this thing is gonna spiral. Could be thwe regional spark needed.

Israel invades Gaza, Hezbollah starts firing rockets from Lebanon, Israel hits Lebanon and Syria as well this time. India strikes Pakistan. Israel (with US backing ) targets the Iranian nuclear infrastructure. All of this could happen nearly simultaneously.

The whole problem boils down to "You don't bite the hand that feeds you"

Simple really

Merry Christmas to all

mikell