ID Chip? You have one right now.

Originally posted by Bluess
I think there is a major difference between a cellphone an an ID chip.

Yes they can track a cellphone, but they cannot identify the user or the owner.

Wrong! Every cell phone has a PID number, this number is used by the cell service provider and is attached to your account, even the pre-paid phones must require a verifiable name, address and city of origin where the phone will be primarily used (non-roaming). Hence, they can know exactly who you are just by tracking the cell phone.

And they can turn on the camera and microphone if they so desired to do live tracking and see/hear everything going on. Its a simple as flipping a switch, or entering a command at a terminal.

Originally posted by Bluess

An ID chip would contain all your personal details such as:

Social secrity number
Bankaccount
Health records
etc.

Now thats real scary...

I dont know how it works where you live, but here we dont have to register our names or anything to use cellphones and we can buy "calltime" in almost any store without giving any personal details.

So yes, they can track me phone but they don't know its my phone.

Again..Wrong! You recieve a bill with your info, that account is set up based on your info, including SS number. Pre paid phones require the same info, verifiable mailing address, city in which you live, SS number, the works. When you activate those phones for the first time, you have to enter this information either online, via land line telephone, or at the time of purchase depending on where you get it.

Have you ever said your name over your phone? Have you ever called customer service for any reason, for anything before and given your name and phone number?

You might want to re-think about your confidence in thinknig they dont know or cannot know who you are through your cell phone.




Cheers!!!!

[edit on 22-12-2008 by RFBurns]

I've been free of the bondage of cellphones for over a year now... I have actually "missed" having one exactly twice: Once this past March with a flat tire in cold rain, (solution: Walk to nearest gas station, like in "old" days) and again when my daughter was born in May. I'm considering getting a prepaid for in my wife's car. IN the car, and that is where it shall stay.
The "house" phone doesn't ring as much, and when I am out doing "whatever"... Nobody bothers me (read: wife) wondering where the hell I've been for 3 and 3/4 hours with my fishing rod and tackle box while I'm supposed to be helping with some domestic task...

Originally posted by Kandinsky
In the UK, phone providers charge the Police £4-5000 for triangulating a cellphone in a missing persons case. The Officer making the request has to first get written permission from his Super Intendent. The phone company checks their records for the last cellphone masts the phone 'called home' to. They then triangulate the location to an area of several hundred square metres. It's not as simple as NWO believers think.

Actually, what you describe is the OFFICIAL procedure, with all the checks and balances in place.

Now if you were to take someone with direct access to the GSM core network elements, namely SS7 and slap on some hardware you'd be able to track a whole bunch of people simultaneously.

Sometimes it's even easier than that really. Practically all mobile phones "see" up to 6 cell base stations at any given time. Siemens models, if I remember correctly, used to give up the codes of what they "see" without any user interaction or knowledge. Triangulating, in the city, using 6 reference point's with signal strength loss data available, plus knowing the layout and building materials used for buildings ( yes, wireless operators have that data ) you're able to pinpoint someone to within about 15 meters. This obviously applies to city blocks only. For rural area, the numbers are much much worse.

The biggest problem here is, why do it? The hardware in question costs a ton. You'd have to have done something really really of the wall for them to start looking for you in such a costly manner.

Kind regards.

reply to post by Muundoggie



GUESS WHAT? You can now get a FREE govt cellphone. Just google "free govt cell phone" Over 3,000,0000 hits from federal, state and local govts.!

Google Search

All you have to do is get a phone without a contract.

It's not linked to your name.

Still worried?

Only text, NEVER use the phone for voice calls.

No voice print to check, no name to lookup. Then, if your messages never include specific people, places and times, then the phone will remain anonymous.

Although the police still could find the phone, it doesn't matter cause theres no reason for them to search for that phone in particular. Additionally, since only texts were used, even if they found you with the phone it would be hard to get a jury to convict you just cause you had the phone. Texts could have literally been written by anyone.


The only problem here is that I think this is far too top secret for most people who frequent this forum. Most have nothing to hide. But for those who feel it important to continually bring the topic up - use the tips I have mentioned several times on this point, (i expanded further in other threads...search feature)

What about people who haven't registered their SIM card?

Let's have fun and play the ATS cell phone swap game... Who's it is.... the government will never know!!! I'll give mine to you, you give yours to them, they'll give theirs to me...

reply to post by Bluess


Ok, I know this will sound like fear mongering.
(Ring) Hello?...
Good morning citizen, this is your gov't phone gestapo. please state your ss id number and mothers maiden name. Please hold up your photo phone so that we may see you. Thank you.
(After they verify your info they also run a face scan.)
I'm sorry sir / ma'am but our face scan does not verify our records on file. We have your location triangulated. Please stay put while we dispatch an identity officer to your location.

Yes this sounds like a scene from a sci-fi movie or some Orwellian book but it's not that far fetched to happen 30 or 40 years from now. Not this or next year.
40 years ago I lugged a box the size of a current micro wave oven to make a mobile phone call. At that time I NEVER imagined that in 2008 we would have a hand held, and now smaller, device that we can talk over, take pictures, store and listen to hundreds of songs, access the internet on. 40 years ago there was no such thing as the internet. Computers required a building to house them. Now a blackberry or ipod sized device is all that's required. Video cameras smaller than a cube of sugar. 40 years ago you had a couple of suitcases to hold a portable video camera and the recorder. Now you can record onto a chip no larger than your pinky fingernail and with no moving parts.
So sure, what I'm stating may sound like fear mongering but for someone that has seen these progress events and how some are being used for less then benificial uses, I am concerned for the future of my grandkids.


[edit on 22-12-2008 by Muundoggie]

Originally posted by Jkd Up
Let's have fun and play the ATS cell phone swap game... Who's it is.... the government will never know!!! I'll give mine to you, you give yours to them, they'll give theirs to me...

Sweet! You can pay my bill too while i surf the web!

reply to post by DirtMcGurt


No problem... Please be kind and rewind... Due unto others... Ever mind the law of three....

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I am a cop in the US of A and have used triangulated the location of a person who pulled a gun on a fellow cop to within 10-20 feet not meters, of him... pretty easy.

Thank you for this verification of what I have been saying.
I hope that this technology does not become corrupted but I won't be holding my breath on that. A totalitarian gov't could use it for control of their citizenry.

reply to post by RFBurns

Wrong! Every cell phone has a PID number, this number is used by the cell service provider and is attached to your account, even the pre-paid phones must require a verifiable name, address and city of origin where the phone will be primarily used (non-roaming). Hence, they can know exactly who you are just by tracking the cell phone.

Thats not how things work here in Denmark.

Everyone can buy a phone without a provider connected to it and "tank" it with talktime bought anywhere in denmark. Yes they can track the phone and possibly figure out it is mine if i use it on my address, that is correct. Or if i use my name and stuff, sure they can figure it out.
If you use "Talktime", your account is simply your SIMcardnumber.

And they can turn on the camera and microphone if they so desired to do live tracking and see/hear everything going on. Its a simple as flipping a switch, or entering a command at a terminal.

If its so easy, please refer me to a manual

Again..Wrong! You recieve a bill with your info, that account is set up based on your info, including SS number. Pre paid phones require the same info, verifiable mailing address, city in which you live, SS number, the works. When you activate those phones for the first time, you have to enter this information either online, via land line telephone, or at the time of purchase depending on where you get it.

Again, here in Denmark we don't have to do this. We don't have to give any personal details when we activate our phones, and you can buy a "talktime" card, scratch it, and send an SMS with the "talktime" code, to the provider and you are good to go, No bill, address, email or anything.

We can also just buy a used phone and buy a "talktime" SIMcard with number and everything, (they sell them everywhere) without having to give any personal info at all. (maybe thats why they are always being stolen from shops?)

Anyway...If they wanna find me they can, but thats not the same as handing them my personal details like a Rfidchip could do. Atleast they will have to do some work for it.


Cheers!!!

landline telephone, internet, blackberry, SIN card or SS card, ham radio ID, CB ID, medical card, debit card, credit card, drivers license, Sate or provincial ID card, Safeway club card, Airmiles reward card, College or school ID, Warranty registration for electronics, Passports, visas and green cards, Boating license, hunting/fishing license,Birth certificates, Xrays, blood samples, pilot license, Unemployment, welfare, pension, Income taxes, software registration, home/auto insurance, serial numbers/VIN numbers, firearm licenses, club or gym accounts, library cards....

What in holy hell can't they find someone with if they really want to?

Even if you assume a false ID you still leave a trail. Cellphones are great tools for spying on "certain" individuals but at the present I don't see that it's a huge threat for the general population of the world. More of a frigging annoyance if you ask me.

I refuse to own a cell phone - refuse to be one of "those" poor people who can't stand to be out of the loop for more than an hour. No offense to cell phone users but sheesh...you can't wait till you get home to talk on the phone???? Like the old days???

Originally posted by Muundoggie
They will all have GPS. If and when they ring you, you MUST answer or return call within a reasonable time or you will be subject to the Phone Police looking for you using the GPS.

After that I envisioned a funny scene.Can you say AMBUSH anyone? You and about 30 or so of your family and friends( armed to the cojones) don't answer and leave the phones in certain locations. When the phone police come blast the snot out of them.

God, I ammuse myself.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


I think it may be possible. Here in the Uk we pay a license fee to watch good ol British Brodcasting Corporations channels. Its a law that you must buy a license. If not they arrive in your street with a "TV detector van" big rotating ariel on top. It tells them whether you got a TV or not, whether its switched on or not. They then come knocking on your door to check. Court, then usually a fine is the end result. So they can watch.

respects

This is precisely why I don't own a cell-phone. Doesn't anyone watch 24? The first thing Jack Bauer does when he's on the run is take the SIM card out of his phone and then he ditches both of them.

The government doesn't give a crap where you are. I swear to god it will never end until all you conspiracy theorists are naked in the woods together.

So true..

[edit on 22-12-2008 by RustyOsirus]

For all the people that say "well, if you do this, then this and this, there is no way you can be tracked", congrats, you're paranoid enough to get around it. For the most part, though, people don't think that big brother is out there trying to "get" them, (

I swear to god it will never end until you paranoid conspiracy theorists are naked in the woods together.

) and therefore, don't care enough to stop "them" from doing so. So, if "they" want to watch/monitor you, cell phones are a pretty good idea. For the mass at least.

reply to post by Revealation


I like your idea. Count me in when you decide to do this.

To all you nay-sayers...In 30-40 years the gov't may be interested where you are at any given time.
So if the technology as stated below already exists for businesses to use, it would be no problem for the gov't to utilize it as well.

Originally posted by captiva
reply to post by ofhumandescent

 

I think it may be possible. Here in the Uk we pay a license fee to watch good ol British Brodcasting Corporations channels. Its a law that you must buy a license. If not they arrive in your street with a "TV detector van" big rotating ariel on top. It tells them whether you got a TV or not, whether its switched on or not. They then come knocking on your door to check. Court, then usually a fine is the end result. So they can watch.

respects

It's not going to happen tomorrow or next year but the technology is here already just waiting for someone to abuse it.

[edit on 22-12-2008 by Muundoggie]