Do You Hate Muslims If So Why

I would like to comment on this thread but I would like to temper my comment with the word dislike rather then hate as I believe they are two different things. I do dislike a certain section of the Muslim community that comes to the west. This is the section of the Muslim community that refuses to integrate - that refuses to learn English- that tries to enforce sharia law with regards to banking, womens rights (Hi jab, veil etc) on to the western community, that uses enforced marriage and that preaches the whabbi doctrine of hate and death to all non Muslims or infidels. The whabbi doctrine is currently being strongly backed by the Saudi Arabian regime who back this doctrine with millions of dollars in the west and the Arab world and I defy any Muslim to tell me that this version of the Muslim faith is not one thats filled with hate towards all non believers as I can provide plenty of evidence to the contrary.

This section of the Muslim community in the west unfortunately is quite sizable and is where a lot of people get their dislike of Muslims from and like most dislikes, people tend to generalize. I myself have worked with many well integrated Muslims who have their faith as I do as a Christian but respect my faith, my country and its values. This section of the Muslim community I like.

I applaud the French on the stance they have taken on this issue with their compulsory integration - with the banning of the hijab in schools etc - I wish my country Ireland would take a similar stance. I have no problem with immigration- I do have an issue with immigrants trying to enforce their culture on my culture and refusing to integrate. The sooner the section of the Muslim Community that wishes not to integrate into the communities that they immigrate to realise that this is not acceptable and very ungrateful to the people who welcomed them with open arms into their countries so that they and their families could have a better life and future the better.

As far as I remember refusing hospitality and treating your host with ingratitude is a serious offense in many Arab cultures so why do a large section of the Muslim community do such things every day!

I think it's safe to say most Americans don't hate Muslims. However, I also think it's safe to say that many Muslims around the world hate Americans, for the simple reason that we're not Muslim. Google "FBI Most Wanted Terrorists." Those on the page are not Buddhist, Methodist, Mormons or Quakers. They are all Muslims. We may not want to harm them, however there are many in their religion that want to harm all non-Muslims. So although we may not have a hatred of them, it is prudent to be wary of a group that actively seeks to harm you and change your life through the subtle legal promotion of Sharia law in non-Muslim countries.

Originally posted by dooper
Karl, be very careful here, posting about Islam. You use the wrong phrase, or if you make good strong points, the Muslim faithful start complaining to the Mods, and you'll get gigged.

Well I don't think its as bad as all that-and everything I posted was quite true...and I thought the truth did not fear objective free enquiry?
But thanks for the post.
I don't hate all muslims,I just hate all religious extremists.
I think they are a disgrace to humanity as a whole.
JMHO though.

I work with alot of muslims .. they are rude .. refuse to learn english and get pampered by my company.

so yes i hate muslims

My wife works at the same company as me, she is 8 months pregnant and they bully her and push her around. Need I say more?

Only 1 word comes to mind... Deportation.


When will the government take care it's own citizens before pampering immigrants ... i mean terrorgrants.

This is the typical trap question about Islam. No i don't hate Muslims, but i detest Islam as a religion. Islam is a religiously codified 'I am ok, you are not ok'. Now if you aware of transactional Analysis, you will know that this is the stance of the bully, the criminal, the asocial personality. Most Muslims subscribe to a sanitized version of Islam, but the terrorists subscribe to real Islam. The weak side of Islam is that it makes people so preoccupied with rituals that they have no time for creative activity, something that renders them inefficient in the modern battle field. That said, i believe the US is the greatest evil force in the world today, camouflaged as democrazy and free people while in fact it is a death machine.

Once again this thread is not about Muslims, the they are merelt the vehicle in which to discuss this topic. The point in question is why do we go from toleran law abiding citizens to sadists and mass murderers.

What is the process that takes place that gets us to the point. Is it already bred into us from birth to hate and fear other races or is it a cordinated program that is controlled by certain people with a goal to be achieved.

Example are the Zionists cranking things up between Muslims and Catholics to start another major conflict the goal of which is to remove people of the Muslim faith from the ME. And by remove I mean genocide.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by magicmushroom

 

I do NOT hate Muslims and I don't know anyone in my School that does, they and I are afraid of them because their Holy Book says to kill EVERYONE not a Muslim... Now I know not all are Good Muslims and don't follow such things but nonetheless it is in their Holy Book. I and most that I know do not recognize Islam as a Religion but rather a Cult of Death much like Nazism. It has and does serve it's original purpose, to this very day, for those that created it.

I don't hate Muslims I feel sorry for them and here is the bottom line why...

In Islam you MUST send your son or daughter to die for God.

Never been simpler to explain than this!

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You state that you do not hate Muslims, yet your reasonings on fearing them ties in with the same Propaganda BS spewed on media networks day in and day out. I laugh when you say "Nonetheless it is in their holy book" so certain of yourself huh? I am an American, born and raised. I am part Caucasian. I am a Muslim WOMAN.

First of all, our Holy book DOES NOT STATE to kill non Muslims. It in fact states to respect those of the book (The Bible and the Torah.) as we all follow Abraham. It is FORBIDDEN (I use caps on words that I feel are of great importance, not out of anger I assure you!) to kill ANY ONE unless for lawful reasons, such as Murder and rape. IN ISLAM WE DO NOT SEND OFF OUR CHILDREN TO DIE FOR GOD, do not bring Politics in this. Palestinian Christians AND Muslims are at fault for suicide attacks for Political, vendetta and land gain not religious gain. Learn to separate the two!

To you it is a cult but it is indeed a religion and is classified as a religion. Islam is the Arabic word for peace and Muslim simply means when translated to English "One who submits themselves to God". Islam is the religion and Muslim is one who follows it.

Also, you are stating classic typical racist misinformation on Islam. You are calling out tell tale signs of others in this thread, yet you gave the tell tale sign that you are a Mindless drone who gets your information from the Media.

You have proved to myself and other less ignorant of the faith that you are not a "Seeker of truth", Just probably a couch potato who gets their education from Fox or CNN. Yeah, that is very good sources there! If you wish to know the real truth then I advise you learn Arabic and read the Quran in all of its glory.

You can find many English Qurans, yea sure but there are so many false Qurans written by propagandists and sold in book stores my best advice is to learn Arabic and find out the real truth. (* Holds up the Real Furkan, a fake Quran written by a right wing American **Gasps**) You can go to any local Masjid (Mosque) and ask for one in English. Certainly they would carry a close translation from the Arabic version.

Do not feel sorry for me. I am a proud Muslim woman. I am not oppressed, I am not a victim due to my gender. I am not taught to kill or wage war. If anything I am taught to love my neighbor to live in peace to fast during the month of Ramadan so that I may know how it feels to go hungry/thirsty and unclean and to not have television or a radio.At the end of the month when we realize how fortunate we are then we are encouraged to donate what we can for the less fortunate regardless of religion. Yea, really sounds like a religion of hate and venom.

How you got some stars for your response is beyond me. My last bit of advice to you is... Do not sound so certain of something that you are OBVIOUSLY not certain of . Toodles!

Originally posted by Cio88
I work with alot of muslims .. they are rude .. refuse to learn english and get pampered by my company.

so yes i hate muslims

My wife works at the same company as me, she is 8 months pregnant and they bully her and push her around. Need I say more?

Only 1 word comes to mind... Deportation.


When will the government take care it's own citizens before pampering immigrants ... i mean terrorgrants.

I am keeping my word in not responding directly to this but it begs another question.

Deportation? Where exactly to Muslims come from again?

In Australia, since i can remember. there has always been a problem with white Australians and muslims. i was too young to understand why at the time. when your a child and you look at grown people arguing and fighting over race and religion, you tend to think of it as stupid.
when growing up through primary school, all the children seemed to get along and things were generally okay. i had school pals who were muslim and it never mattered.
but those same kids turned against me the moment i got into highschool. i never quite understood why, maybe it was pressure from older siblings in the school, but a group of muslim kids tried to knife me for not being muslim.

it scared the crap out of me so badly that i had a social phobia that i had to cope with for years and years. ive never really been the same since.

instead of hating all muslims though, i just tried to understand what it is that would cause such a problem in the first place. im sure like in many other countries, people who migrate to australia, dont seem to have too much of an option to integrate into our culture. usually they are kept at arm's length and in the end, they have no choice but to form their own ethnic communities.

I am now engaged to a girl who has muslim parents. i show no racist views towards her parents (but their racism towards me is another story, hehe)

Has anyone seen the David Icke video where the jewish rabbi, amidst many other jews and rabbi's with protest signs against the propoganda said that he didn't even care about israel anymore...
that he wanted to go back to before 1948 when they and the muslims were friends and neighbors and used to babysit each others children..
"our most precious children we trusted them with"
You won't see that on the news...
We need to unite together...no matter what...
We are all the same...
until we see that they will always be able to create division...
and for god's sake stop being manipulated by fear and ego...

The problem has many facets to be sure. The Fanatics on the Muslim side have basically hijacked the whole of Islam, to the point where some think that Muslim = Terrorist. The actions of a relative few have stained the vast majority of normal Muslims IMO.

Add on top of this a fairly high percentage of immigrant Muslims refusal to integrate into the societies they move to. I don't really see the point of moving to a country that you seem to despise but that's what it seems to me some of the Immigrant Muslim community has done.

Do I hate Muslims, No. But I do see why many distrust Muslims, given my two above points. Are all bikers Bad? NO. But do you automatically trust a bunch of them to help you if you get a flat tire in the middle of nowhere? Same principle, the actions of a few define the whole as a stereotype.

Pavil, on a point of Muslims not intergrating in society thats simply not true. Here in the UK they are our, doctors, nurses, solicitors, teachers, shop owners, dentists etc. etc. How much more do you want a people to intergrate. yes there is still much to be done but as each generation becomes more westernised and don't want to folow the religion or the old ways the situation improves. And also its a two way street, I know shop owners who work 12-14 hours a day 7 days a week and put up with all manner of abuse and racsim from the local white people so who is it thats not doing enough.

On the other hand you have brits who move abroad and want to eat fish and chips, want to live in english speaking zones, don't learn the native tongue etc. etc.

But to the point in question what makes normal law abiding citizens turn into sadists and murderers.

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Pavil, i would like to agree with Magic that muslims do integrate but given the right opportunities.

I am what one would classify as a second generation immigrant. I have integrated and hold my own with the best of them. So does my husband who too is a second generation.

Now my parents are from a muslim background but being first generations, they had little apart from the clothes on their back and two pots they stuffed in haste into the suitcase. they tried to integrate but 'the system' stopped them from doing so. Eventually after six years of trying they finally managed to get low level positions which 'white people' wouldn't do and worked their way up. But they are part of the society and pay their taxes and have done everything to improve their english and consider this their home.

Now the second example is of my in-laws. They are non-muslims and are Asian following the Buddhist ideology. From the comments i am reading on this thread, i would have gathered that people like them would fit right in and have no problems integrating. The oopposite is true. They too took lowly jobs that normal integrated people don't do. They regressed into their own culture and after being here for 25 years, they still don't speak english. They have set up a business serving mainly the asian community and are waiting to save up enough money so they can go back to the country of their origin.

Men in both households hold several qualifications and have held national level positions in their original countries but have been reducing to scrubbing toilets and driving buses because obstacles to integration are just too high.

Now being second generation and integrated, i am an employer who employs others. I cannot recount the number of times obstacles have been put in my way from employing new immigrants - especially muslim ones. These obstacles have consisted of:

* i am sorry but this potential employee does not have enough paperwork and in order to obtain it, they have to go to court and pay solicitors (these people don't have the money to begin with)

* when i have trialled immigrants in my office, i get complaints from clients who question our business practices. However a UK accent is well appreciated.

* if we have more than one 'class' of people (immigrants with heavy accents, or a particular religion) then we get accused on discrimination towards everybody else. It's come to a point where my indian clients tell me off the record that they don't want anyone with an indian or muslim sounding name - just in case their higher ups think that they are showing favoritism. As a result i just delete resumes from all brown and arab people. And the sad part is that i am brown with both an arab and south asian heritage.

In recruitment here in australia, we recruiters joke amongst our colleagues how a client requests a WASP. A Wasp is what ALL recruiters strive to find and collect a fee. A Wasp stands for:
W - White
A - Anglo
S - Saxon
P - Protestant

... otherwise known as a 'blond haired blue eyed' perfect candidate. what ends up is that these new immigrants get so desperate that they regress back into people of similiar backgrounds because they know that when they run out of money and don't have a roof over their head, someone will extend a kind gesture and let them live in their garage or give them two cents to go buy bread.

so i implore everyone to please stop taking main stream media as your main source of information and really look at what is fuelling this non-integration and also why are we so afraid of muslims? when in reality 99% of them are our neighbours who are anti-terrorism themselves.


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reply to post by magicmushroom


Note I said a fairly high percentage, not a majority of Immigrants. When compared to other nationalities or Religions, people from Islamic (mainly Arab) countries tend not to assimilate as much as other immigrants. There is a whole list of ways they don't assimilate as much, to deny that that is an issue with Muslim vs. other peoples is a sticking your head in the sand.

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While I don't doubt your story, that's kinda the route immigrants in countries take; they work on the low end of the wage scale for the most part, regardless of country of origin. My Grandfathers from Italy and Sweden held menial jobs when they first came to America as well, and one of them was a skilled tradesman. I wouldn't typecast that as a Muslim struggle, but rather an immigrant struggle.

We have tons of Muslim Immigrants here in Metro Detroit, they have integrated very well into society/business ect. It seems to be more of problem for Muslim immigrants to integrate into European societies.

To be honest it seems like the most radical "wing" of Islam come from the generation who grew up learning about Islam in Wahhabi Saudi funded Mosques. It's a very small percentage of the overall Muslim population, but those radicals/fundamentalists are defining the public's perception of the rest of "mainstream" Islam.

Originally posted by 04326
so i implore everyone to please stop taking main stream media as your main source of information and really look at what is fuelling this non-integration and also why are we so afraid of muslims? when in reality 99% of them are our neighbours who are anti-terrorism themselves.

Terrorism or fear of terrorism is NOT going to be the deciding factor as to whether Muslims are welcomed in other cultures. Terrorism is a "flash in the pan" as far as history goes, as was the fear surrounding the Japanese in the 1940's.

If people work hard and they DO integrate (as did the Japanese) they will be fine in the long run.

However if they create subcultures that are teaming with criminal activity, or if they openly scorn the host populace of their adopted countries, or if they produce gangs of first generation youths that threaten the rest of the populace there will be increasing resentment and hostility in the years to come.

Now the U.S. is a bit different than the U.K. when it comes to Indian and Muslim immigrants. Most of ours blend in quite well. I will admit I am not fond of Indian men, but from what I have seen their first generation children integrate completely. They are likeable, sharp businessmen, well-spoken, and they will fully integrate into all levels of corporate culture despite how "dark" they may be. So much for racism huh? If they are smart and socially adaptable racism plays no part in any of this when it comes to many ethnic groups!

What is even funnier is that I am aware that when I deal with the Japanese, and many integrated Indian Americans they may secretly believe they are "superior" to the Euro-white populace for whatever reasons. That is fine with me because I do not sense ANY resentment from them, but maybe that is part of it huh? They don't have a chip on their shoulder.


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Ravil, prhaps you would like to give some examples rahter than just claiming that they don;t fit in and perhaps you can show other examples of immigrants that don't fit in as you put it.

Is it just the case that some Muslims are active because we are killing them here there and everywhere. Wopuld not Christains be active if they were bein treated the same way.

Pavil & Sonja I agree with both of you when you say that it is an Immigrant experience rather than one unique to muslims. But what i am trying to say is that this "flash point" is not doing any favors to anyone when it comes to immigrants trying to integrate into society.

what i am trying to point out is that there is inherent prejudice built into the system regardless of what country one is in. This is the primary thing which discourages immigrants from becoming one of 'them' and these desperate people become more and more insular in their ways and does nothing but promote the Us vs Them mindset.

As i said, I am second generation and fit into the class of well integrated people but i know for a fact when it comes to employing someone - if all things considered were equal, then i would not be given preference over a WASP (see earlier post). Now this doesn't mean i have a chip on my shoulder. It is something i accept as part of life - especially because i have been on the other side and know the decision making process. I have done so for many years. But i can see this issue being a bit more of a Problem who is facing prejudice more actively - everything builds up in the end and these people have a score to settle in the end.

In my previous post i gave the examples of experiences of two families. Now i understand and agree that when one decides to move to another country, then sacrifices must be made and one has to work their way up again. But i gave the two examples more specifically to illustrate that a Muslim family did much more to integrate and have finally managed to muddle their way through to become a part of main stream suburbia. On the other hand, a central asian buddhist family did way less and after 25 years are still not integrated.

If it was the other way around, we would have been pointing fingers and saying 'hey look at the muslim family who talk in arabic amongst themselves and don't mix'. Yet we say nothing about the other nationalities who don't want to integrate.

the second point i am trying to make is that it is often stereotyped that Muslims / Arabs are the one who are not going to integrate. We look for examples of non-integrated muslims constantly. But perhaps we are actively looking for this and ignoring the non-integrated chinese and the koreans and italians and everyone.

So in summary, it is a Immigrant Experience but we should question ourselves twice before collectively condemning arabs and muslims for non-integration. which eventually leads us to say that all arabs and muslims are terrorists... a bit of slippery slope which does no one any favors.


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