When Is A Rock Not A -Rock- ?

When Is A Rock Not A -Rock- ?

i know that this video is popular in the fact that something has been brushed over by nasa, but what i dont understand is what?

Is there someone on that can explain what is the artifact that has been brushed by nasa (hidden).

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That is very interesting.Thanks for sharing.That is indeed strange.Hope someone can shed some light on this more.

Well, I am extremely sorry, but I dont see any artifacts in the video you mentioned, can you clarify.

I almost agree with peacejet, the only artifacts visible are the ones from the highly compressed video.

What the heck are you talking about in this video???

all you people cant read ..... if you watch the video and READ whats on the blue screen at the begining of the video , well then i think you will understand what im talking about !!!!!

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I can read (my problem is with writting ), and I have read that text on the beginning of the video, but that text is meaningless if it can not be connected with the video, and that is where the problem is.

I have seen that video before, and I have seen it this time, and every time I see it I can not see anything that looks like an "Artifact", much less "Artifacts littering the surface of the Moon".

didn't someone tell the astronaut, in the begining, to "open it" or something to that effect?

they seemed pretty relaxed if something strange was there.

other than that, at the end, it was about glass on another rock.

I don't see anything but jpeg compression artifacts. If you can show us the anomalies in the original uncompressed video, then we'll talk.

Regarding the rock that can be seen in the video, it was filmed at station 6 during the Apollo 17 mission, and it is called "Fragment 2".

Here is a photo of it, where you can see astronaut Jack Schmitt using Fragment 2 to give him some stability. Fragment 3 is the smaller piece of rock that is next to Fragment 2 and to the right of Jack. The photo ID is AS17-146-22293:


If anyone wants to download the photo to take a closer look at it, you can find a HR version of it here:
www.hq.nasa.gov...

"Fragment 2" can also be found in photo AS17-146-22294:
www.hq.nasa.gov...

The boulder blocks and fragments at station 6, described in NASA document "TRAVERSE GEOLOGY AND SAMPLES":





Above drawing and photo from page 127 in this document:
www.hq.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by fooks
didn't someone tell the astronaut, in the begining, to "open it" or something to that effect?

they seemed pretty relaxed if something strange was there.

other than that, at the end, it was about glass on another rock.

When they were talking about "opening" something, they were talking about the battery cover on the rover where Astronaut Gene Cernan was at the time. Cernan was not in the frame of video at the beginning, but he was the one talking about the battery covers; the astronaut standing by the big rock is Astronaut Harrison (Jack) Schmitt, who is a geologist. Cernan does join Schmitt by the rock later.

Here's the part of the transcript when they were discussing the Lunar Rover (LRV) battery cover

Cernan: Okay. Cover's open.
Mission Control: Okay. And did you get the batteries - -
Cernan: Oh, my golly.
Mission Control: the LRV battery covers open. We didn't copy that, Gene.
Cernan: No, I didn't copy that you wanted them open. I Just got 107. I was about to ask you that.
Mission Control: Okay. We'd like them open. And, Jack, while I'm interrupting everybody here, how about a frame count, if convenient.
Schmitt: Oh, shoot! Bob. I gave you one at the rock. It's now 68.
Mission Control: Okay. Copy that.
Cernan: Man, I never - (Laughter) You can't believe how tough it is getting around this Rover, on this slope.
....

...and yes, they did mention glass. But glass can occur naturally in rocks, especially volcanic rocks, such as the kind that are very common on the moon. Natural volcanic glass is relatively common on Earth, too, such as the rock "obsidian". The fact that they were talking about "inclusions" (bits of one type of rock stuck to another type of rock) makes me think that this big "host" rock is of volcanic origin.

Here is the transcript from the part of the video that they were discussing the glass:

Cernan: You got one in there already?
Schmitt: Yes.
Mission Control: We copy that one, Jack.
Cernan: You won't be able to reach - you won't be able to
reach my bag.
Schmitt: No, but you can put it in mine. Can you reach it?
Cernan: Oh, darn it.
Schmitt: Bob, one of the light-colored inclusions looks like
it may be anorthositic - gabbroic anorthosite - Let me get my terms straight. The host rock has dark enough zap pits that it's probably gab - anorthositic gabbro, if I didn't say that. Some of the light-colored inclusions have slightly lighter colored glass, and they may be the gabbroic anorthosite.
Mission Control: Okay, I copy that, Jack.
Schmitt: Inclusions like this one and that one.
Cernan: Some of those inclusions get to be bigger than the
size of a baseball. There's one here and a couple
up there.
Scmidtt: Let be borrow your hammer.
Cernan: Yes. Jack, try a little higher. See that one - right...

There's nothing odd here in any of the what they said. Cernan at the beginning is mostly talking about the Rover, and Schmitt (being a geologist) is talking about rocks. There's nothing strange at all about this video.

[edit on 12/21/2008 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by ST SIR 86
all you people cant read ..... if you watch the video and READ whats on the blue screen at the begining of the video , well then i think you will understand what im talking about !!!!!

Okay...I'll read (again) what's on the blue screen at the beginning of the video. It says:

When is a rock not a "rock"?
Answer: When it is one of many artifacts littering the surafce of the Moon.
These clips were downloaded from NASA's Apollo 17 website.

I watched the video, looking for the artifacts mentioned in the introduction text. All I see is the large rock. The Astronauts didn't say anything out of the ordinary (see my post above), and I saw nothing out of the ordinary. So even though the "blue screen text" mentioned artifacts littering the moon, I saw none in this video.

By the way, I still also haven't seen the "brushed out" areas that you mention on this video. That picture that ziggystar posted (and other photos of this rock) very clearly shows the rock in question looking pretty much like it does in the video, with with no visible "airbrushing" and no artifacts.

Could you please be more specific about where the artifacts are? Plus, could you be more specific about which areas of the video were "brushed"? As others have said above, there is pixelization due to video compression, but those are not "brushed out" areas.

[edit on 12/22/2008 by Soylent Green Is People]

thanks Soylent GIP,

i was looking more than listening.

i almost thought there was a door in the shadow of the rock.

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OP, here is a a res pic of the rock in question. It appears to be leaking something.

history.nasa.gov...