Two million year old find!

according to the bible modern "civilized upright thinking man" is around 6000 years old....and the earth millions of years old. things were here looong before "civilized man" was put here. so no the bible doesnt say the "earth" is 6000 years old....but that "civilized man" is around 6000 years old.

Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by Funkydung

 

So, the Sumer civilization does not count then? Or for that matter the settlements at Jericho or Catalhoyuk?

the sumer civilization was back around 6000 years ago...en.wikipedia.org...

Sumer , Akkadian: Šumeru; possibly Biblical Shinar) was a civilization and a historical region located in southern Iraq (Mesopotamia), known as the Cradle of civilization. It lasted from the first settlement of Eridu in the Ubaid period (late 6th millennium BC) through the Uruk period (4th millennium BC) and the Dynastic periods (3rd millennium BC) until the rise of Babylon in the early 2nd millennium BC. The term "Sumerian" applies to all speakers of the Sumerian language.

Jericho
en.wikipedia.org...

The first permanent settlement was built near the Ein es-Sultan spring between 8000 and 7000 BC by an unknown people, and consisted of a number of walls, a religious shrine, and a 23 feet 0 inches (7.0 m) tower with an internal staircase.[9] After a few centuries, it was abandoned for a second settlement, established in 6800 BC, perhaps by an invading people who absorbed the original inhabitants into their dominant culture. Artifacts dating from this period include ten skulls, plastered and painted so as to reconstitute the individuals' features.[9] These represent the first example of portraiture in art history, and it is thought that these were kept in people's homes while the bodies were buried.[14][5] This was followed by a succession of settlements from 4500 BC onward, the largest of these being constructed in 2600 BC.

and the Catalhoyuk date back about the same..around 6000 years ago





[edit on 28-12-2008 by Funkydung]

reply to post by sciencenewby


Items only get buried if there is (suprizingly) a build up of material, either water or airborne. In a cave the build up tends to be less. In some areas, erosion occurs and there is no build up instead the material decreases.

Its not uncommon to find artifacts in deep sediments 20 meters down that are the same age as one sitting on the surface, within a kilometer or less of one another.

reply to post by Funkydung


One correction FD

Catalhuyuk dates to 9,500 BC

[edit on 31/12/08 by Hanslune]

What is amazing to me is that we haven't found all of these sites yet! It just goes to show how much of Earth's land (not even oceans...) we have yet to explore and discover. It is so interesting that places where humans once were can be so forgotten. I wonder how many similar sites are left around the world... I think that the more we travel and explore and industrialize, even the more that we destroy resources, we will stumble upon more and more places like this. Especially now that we are developing much faster, I think we will find places like this much faster too.

reply to post by ravenshadow13


Hundreds of thousands of sites. In areas I survey in the middle east within a square kilometer you'd have (surface finds only) 50-300 on average, if you sank pits more. It will take about thousand years to conduct proper archaeological surveys of the entire planet, add many many more years for the sea floor - that's based on our present technology.

Much less than a tiny fraction of 1% has been excavated and maybe around 2% has been properly surveyed. another 3-4% has been looted and destroyed. In one of the most surveyed places, Egypt only about 30% of the area has been looked at properly.

Having written this I just realized that where I moved to less than a year ago has probably never been surveyed either ....a spring project!

reply to post by Funkydung

It lasted from the first settlement of Eridu in the Ubaid period (late 6th millennium BC) through the Uruk period (4th millennium BC) and the Dynastic periods (3rd millennium BC) until the rise of Babylon in the early 2nd millennium BC. The term "Sumerian" applies to all speakers of the Sumerian language.

From your link. So, adding in the ad years, that's around 8,000 years ago.

www.metmuseum.org...

By 8000 B.C., agricultural communities are already established in northern Mesopotamia, the eastern end of the Fertile Crescent. Early in the sixth millennium B.C., farming communities, relying on irrigation rather than rainfall, settle ever further south along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. As these new communities grow, monumental architecture and more elaborate forms of artistic representation reflect an increasingly differentiated social hierarchy. Forms of administration and recording are developed as cities emerge across the region, especially in the south. By 2500 B.C., cuneiform inscriptions describe rivalry between city-states, with rulers building temples and palaces decorated with royal imagery proclaiming their power. Within two centuries, the city-states of Mesopotamia are unified by Sargon of Akkad, who creates the first empire.

Current thread active on ATS:
History to be Rewritten?
Discussion of a temple found dating back to 9000 BC.




[edit on 4-1-2009 by RuneSpider]

Remember, archaeologists and historians are expecting that with time and good research we can find evidence of people living in villages and permanent settlements that date back more than 20,000 years -- and I'm not sure that they'd be surprised at a 50,000 year old settlement.

Humans have always lived in groups. We have some very old hunting camp areas and slaughter ("jumps") areas located. The popular idea that until 6,000 years ago humans spent their time falling out of trees or running from sabertooths isn't one that historians or archaeologists or paleontologists buy into. We know, for instance, that people were wearing clothing woven from fur and cloth using weaving looms some 20,000 years ago and that they had woven baskets and other material even earlier than that.

reply to post by Byrd


Evolved humans found that hunting in groups was safer and as children's heads grew larger the women needed more protection during child birth, rearing and early childhood.

We be social animals!

Wow that's really cool... Does anyone know what artifacts they were?