Our Future Leads to Our Present...

At some point in the future - and I'm not giving a time here - but at SOME point the human race will have enough advanced knowledge and understanding and collected enough scientific data to build a time machine. We are already talking about it (theoretically) now so you know the interest is there.

The question is - If our earth is not doing so great at that time, and we feel like a few subtle changes could make a big difference to our future, would we dare go back? Would our future scientific community have the balls to actually leap back in time to say...the 20th Century, to bring a slight amount of guidance to a troubled world without revealing ourselves? Maybe we would simply abduct people from small communities and tell them they need to take care of the earth, or perhaps we would shut down nuclear missile sites as a way to show that nuclear weapons will cause great harm to our people and planet?

I guess I'm asking...COULD SOME OF THE UFO's ACTUALLY BE US?

I think this would be a time of concern. History will show that.

i'm starting to think more and more that UFO's are actually us from the future.
Ufo's are spotted among huge historic events, maybe it's just us wanting to see it 'live'.

Instead of ridiculing this, you should try to be more openminded.
there are lots of out of place objects found, how did they get there?
maybe it's the future human, that lost a swiss watch when he was back in history..

Originally posted by jasperaldo
i'm starting to think more and more that UFO's are actually us from the future.
Ufo's are spotted among huge historic events, maybe it's just us wanting to see it 'live'.

Instead of ridiculing this, you should try to be more openminded.
there are lots of out of place objects found, how did they get there?
maybe it's the future human, that lost a swiss watch when he was back in history..

How am I ridiculing? I'm the one suggesting this...you lost me there.

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I have thought that several times. There items being found from the past with no idea on how or why they are there. Good point.

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One problem there.

If you go back in time to clean up humanities act so to speak, and they do, then there was nver any reason for you to go back in time in the first place, cancelling out the fact that you went back in time in the first place, which means you wouldnt have, which means time would remain unchanged.

Whenever you employ ideas about time trael like that you create a paradox.

This could happen... But if they bothered to come back... Why just fly around and do nothing?

Surely they would stop and say hi?

Though I think if they were coming back then we would know about it already. Thus in the future they havent yet invented it Maybe....

Also, time is linear. So if they were to come back and change something, eventually the same outcome would come back about. Just perhaps along a different path.

Originally posted by NavalFC
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One problem there.

If you go back in time to clean up humanities act so to speak, and they do, then there was nver any reason for you to go back in time in the first place, cancelling out the fact that you went back in time in the first place, which means you wouldnt have, which means time would remain unchanged.

Whenever you employ ideas about time trael like that you create a paradox.

Not exactly. You would have to do it once. After that, you would create a paradox assuming it does not create another reality. Perhaps every time there's a 'correction' in our timeline it creates a second reality or parallel universe. These are things we still don't understand.

Every talk about time machine and stuff are destined to end in aporie, paradox, vicious circle or whatever you wanna name. Just watch Back to the future series or Terminator. Nice movies but logic is BS.
I dont mean about talking about time travel but scenarios building upon time tavel are BS.

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Your paradox arguement is faulty. Assuming the environment is going to H*ll in a handbasket, and time travellers come back to "fix" it, then there would be no need for them to build a time machine and make the trip.
That would be true ONCE THE ENVIRONMENT WAS FIXED. It would take several trips, and the "repairs" would be gradual.
You are essentially employing the "grandfather paradox" which, in this case, does not apply.

I believe this is the theory of causality. If you go back and make a change in the past, and make everything better. Then there would have been no reason now in the future to go back. I believe if they did create a time machine they would only go back to observe, they would not interfere.

If you're moving, you're in space.
If you're thinking, you're in time.

Originally posted by commodore64
Every talk about time machine and stuff are destined to end in aporie, paradox, vicious circle or whatever you wanna name. Just watch Back to the future series or Terminator. Nice movies but logic is BS.
I dont mean about talking about time travel but scenarios building upon time tavel are BS.

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True, but it does beg the question - When we figure it out, will we use it? And at our current rate of advancement, I believe we will figure it out....and so do several theoretical physicists.

Originally posted by Graphix10
At some point in the future - and I'm not giving a time here - but at SOME point the human race will have enough advanced knowledge and understanding and collected enough scientific data to build a time machine. We are already talking about it (theoretically) now so you know the interest is there.

Already been done, back in the 1960s....

The Montauk Project
Experiments in Time
by Preston Nichols and Peter Moon

The Montauk Project chronicles the most amazing research project in recorded history. After the Philadelphia experiment of 1943, forty years of massive research ensued, culminating in bizarre experiments at Montauk Point (on Long Island, NY) that tapped the powers of creation and actually manipulated time itself. A first hand account by Preston Nichols, this book gives a fascinating account of the research along with an intriguing personal story. Now, for the first time ever, the basic theory and practical application of time travel is explained.
www.baproducts.com...
www.amazon.com...

This book is not a work of fiction, it is an account of Nazi technology mixed with alien technology in a series of high level experiments concerning time travel, and later, mind control on a massive scale. A must read for anyone who really wants to know what their government does in their spare time, with your tax dollars.

Originally posted by bigshow
I believe this is the theory of causality. If you go back and make a change in the past, and make everything better. Then there would have been no reason now in the future to go back. I believe if they did create a time machine they would only go back to observe, they would not interfere.

I don't believe they would interfere either, unless the future world they live in is truly awful. They might however, shut down nuclear missile sites to leave a 'message'. That would be one way to leave a warning without directly influencing.

Why do you need someone from the future to come and tell you that you are doing something wrong?

This is just an expression of impotence in regards to what we are doing here and now.
I feel the strong smell of irresponsibility trying to find a way out.

The idea of traveling in time is the idea of a paradox.

Time is just the way we think, we stack things in linear fashion. That's all it is.
The only way to "travel" through it is to "browse".

You cannot move material objects into the thinking. You can only project them as symbols or images.

The only real way to intervene in time/space continuum is to anticipate things, then you will destroy possible causal time-line, by simply not doing it.

An example:

www.google.com...

1. Time traveling proper.

Travel back in time. Make everyone attending conference barefoot. Problem solved.

2. Time traveling in anticipation.

Make president Bush hold conference in a mosque. (Must take off your shoes before entering a mosque). Problem solved.

Time travel will never ever be a possibility! In order to travel back in time you would need to reverse the spinning of the galaxy, as impossible as that is you would also need to reverse the expanding of the universe.

How on earth can anyone think that is possible?

Originally posted by Waldy
Time travel will never ever be a possibility! In order to travel back in time you would need to reverse the spinning of the galaxy, as impossible as that is you would also need to reverse the expanding of the universe.

How on earth can anyone think that is possible?

How did you reach that conclusion? More and more physicists are saying it is theoretically possible...and none of them are talking about reversing the spin of the galaxy.

Did you just watch Superman??

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How will you travel back in time when you know Earth is moving in space?

Where will you end up? Empty space?
You'd have to manipulate the whole Universe, not just the Galaxy.

The idea of traveling in time is the idea of a paradox.

Not true. As a small child, I had a visit from my future self, as did my son, and later my daughter. I believe this happens to a lot of people, they just don't talk about it for fear of ridicule. Time runs in a circular type motion, it is not linear. Think of time as a funnel, with you at the top edge. Always going up, around and around we go. The past becomes the future. Are we not seeing events happen right now that are akin to events shortly before the American War of Northern Aggression? Only this time, some 38 States are talking about, not just 13 as before. One thing to always remember. Time=Space=Time.