Do you think be evolved from Aliens?

Since scientists are noticing OUR species evolving very quickly. Evolution isn't necessarily a long process.

There is quite a bit of evidence that our brains have been evolving very quickly, and in extremely short periods of time.

There are certainly times in the past when sudden mass changes in the animal and plant life have happened in a dramatically small amount of time. Usually due to some significant challenge, or due to larger amounts of radiation coming through the atmosphere.

Originally posted by xweaponx

What do you think?

I don't think! Well... I dont think about this anyway. Its just a load of rubbish, but there are some good points made!

veryrandomann said:

The whole concept of evolving from aliens is not very probable and is likely not even plausible.

Alter-Ego said:

I find it exceedingly hard to believe that "aliens" had anything to do with it... if they did, why don't our ancient text, records and historical documents, just come out and tell us this fact ??

Not to disrespect you two, but have your read and studied at all outside the normal things children are taught? You both come off like paid dis-info agents, anyone who has studied the literal thousands of docs and hundreds of videos out there, plus the millions of people around the world, some whom have never seen a book on UFOs or seen a TV report the same things, and even draw pictures that are so similar it is uncanny..... knows something un-earthly is out there, and here. Wake up and smell the coffee, gentlemen.

koldpatrol said:

I believe they have toyed with us biologically. What other species on this planet has evolved so much in such a short period of time? So many religious views talk about basically the same thing- a Supreme Being. If "God" was in fact an alien then the world's ancient religious texts spell out the story rather well.

I believe Jesus was an alien hybrid. An "angel" came to Mary and Joseph and told them "God" would give her his child (alien insemination) who would teach man first hand "Gods law". You had the "star" that coaxed even Kings to leave home and travel exactly to a stable in Bethlehem (UFO more likely)-they had told Moses that this day would happen.

Mary is later whisked away by them, I mean "God", before she died. A few others in the bible are whisked away to "heaven" by the "whirlwinds". Jesus possibly had to die to lead human "spirits or souls or whatever" to the next dimension. The bible even mentions that until his death no one could advance to "HEAVEN" or the next dimension. Jesus performed many "miracles" and open the portal for mankind.

Look at the ancient religious paintings online-many have ufo's on them ! Look at the beliefs of the Hopi's and Mayans and other civilizations.

koldpatrol, you are a reader, and know many things. I agree with your take for the most part. I don't think we can really call them "aliens," for they are quite like us, the human race, although some are not like us, a good 90% are benevolent in nature, only a few are warriors, and you non believers will find that all out first hand real soon.

I guess the only two theories we can use are;
God did it all
There are aliens who manipulated things.

"Earths forbidden secrets" briefly mentions this legend although I've had a hard time trying to find anything about it there's plenty of Zulu's but the legend I haven't actually located other than in the book itself,

Well their is a tribe in Africa (Zulu tribe) who claim that their earliest ancestors told them of how they got to be where they were at.

The story goes that they were put on boats because of an invasion and sent to earth the tribe picked out mars as the original planet they came from and said it was destroyed, however all the women and children where sent to earth in boats before it's destruction. It was never clear who or what the invasion was from, could have been a serious meteor strike or another species. It's just classified as a legend pretty much but they believe it to be true.

Take it how you want to but in reality we will never know for 100% certainty because nothing is ever 100% certain.

If it was true they were stupid for not sending scientists and knowledgeable individuals to completely rebuild what was already built on the other planet lol

Originally posted by autowrench
Not to disrespect you two, but have your read and studied at all outside the normal things children are taught? You both come off like paid dis-info agents...

Not to disrespect you, but you come off like a psychopath. Do you really believe it is impossible for anyone to have a genuine, reasoned disagreement? Do you really think the only people who would disagree with you are being paid off by the government?

Originally posted by autowrench
...anyone who has studied the literal thousands of docs and hundreds of videos out there...knows something un-earthly is out there, and here.

Unless they are a paid disinformant, right? It is impossible to anyone to look at the "evidence" and come to a different conclusion, right?

If you look on the method of genetic transfer of traits via a mechanism like DNA, making copies of proteins, istm that this is a highly evolved and intricate mechanism that could have evolved in many ways, just on Earth.

It's elegant, but so complex that I can't see just that thing evolving twice in the same way.

Thus, the idea that a non-terrestrial being would/could be compatible enough to merge their mechanism (if, indeed it's in any way similar) with our genome that way seems to nearly be in the realm of magic.

Now, we can manipulate genetics, transfecting virus DNA and adding copies of things, so yes, they could manipulate it.

But to address the topic specifically, evolved from non-terrestrial beings? Sure, panspermia, but if you're talking starting at a humanoid alien and evolving into what we are, it's possible. However, as I mention above, I don't see it happening easily by additive methods (i.e. injecting some kind of non-human, non-terrestrial genetic material into apes). Not impossible, but highly improbable.

Just a thought.

Variations of the tiger have been around for a long time. Sharks ditto. Crocodiles ditto.

You've never been to a dinosaur muesum and noticed that the a number of the triceratops and stegosaurus and their affliated cousins, all kind of look like rhinos and hippos? That there were rhino like animals in North America at one time?

Similiar needs and similar environments have niches that produce the same essential animal and plant types over and over. Here, on Earth. Over hundreds of millions of years in different animal and plant types. Even on completely different continents at completely different times in familes and phylums that don't even exist at the same time.

Dog type - there are mammals. And there were marsupials. Both essentially the same type of animal, with similar behaviours, in similar environmental niches.

Originally posted by Badge01
If you look on the method of genetic transfer of traits via a mechanism like DNA, making copies of proteins, istm that this is a highly evolved and intricate mechanism that could have evolved in many ways, just on Earth.

It's elegant, but so complex that I can't see just that thing evolving twice in the same way.

Thus, the idea that a non-terrestrial being would/could be compatible enough to merge their mechanism (if, indeed it's in any way similar) with our genome that way seems to nearly be in the realm of magic.

Now, we can manipulate genetics, transfecting virus DNA and adding copies of things, so yes, they could manipulate it.

But to address the topic specifically, evolved from non-terrestrial beings? Sure, panspermia, but if you're talking starting at a humanoid alien and evolving into what we are, it's possible. However, as I mention above, I don't see it happening easily by additive methods (i.e. injecting some kind of non-human, non-terrestrial genetic material into apes). Not impossible, but highly improbable.

Just a thought.

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While I do not subscribe to any one theory wholly, I enjoy playing devils advocate to spur constructive debate on these fascinating topics.

Mankind has pondered these and many other cerebral mysteries ever since we have had the time to sit, and think... and not worry about becoming a predators food source.

I think some valid and interesting "hypothesis" have been offered for contemplation. I have heard another "theory" that I have yet to see someone mention. I think its important to discuss these issues with an open mind and NOT allow yourself to be locked into a specific paradigm in order to base a conclusion on ALL of the offered material, I submit this little known or discussed theory..

Some theories state that we have DEVOLVED from a "master race". That because we had almost destroyed ourselves with a "higher technology" in the distant past..the PTB at the time decided to "devolve" mankind so that we would not be a threat to ourselves or anyone else for that matter for many centuries. I am trying to find some more data on this obscure theory so others can read about it. I just summarized is crudely for discussion.

While I do not take ANY theory.. as fact yet, I find it an interesting concept.
That at one point in our HISTORY we we much more "highly evolved" and that the remnants of our civilization were "dumbed down" to keep mankind from self annihilation. Could the ancient Sumeria or Atlantis or some other highly advanced culture been advanced enough to alter our genome in such a way? The theory suggests that we did not evolve from apes, more that we DEVOLVED from a higher evolved state of HUMANITY.






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When someone makes patently false statements, I am going to label that as exactly that.

Sorry, but DNA does not lie. You can believe in the Literal Bible (which only has the Bible as a source, with nothing to support it at all), or you can believe in evolution.

BUT, there is nothing that says that God couldn't have made the world through evolution.

After all, The 2nd letter of St. Peter says, that a day to God is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. What is a day to God, we can not know. Personally, I believe that God used evolution to make the world.

There is absolutely NO evidence, whatsoever, that any alien life form has ever come to this earth.

Of course, you can always claim that some alien came to visit youm,, probed your backside, and that is proof. But personally, I think that anyone that has experienced such things has been off their medicatyion for far too long.

They sinply can not prove that such a thing has ever happened.

Hate to tell all of you, but H.P. Lovecraft is a fantasy writer.

Originally posted by OldMedic
Hate to tell all of you, but H.P. Lovecraft is a fantasy writer.

Actually he was more of a horror writer, but that is neither here nor there. I'm more curious about what inspired this comment.

reply to post by Alter-Ego


You might be confusing two concepts. Devolution implies genetic. Our brain size has only increased.

Cultural de-evolution because of a catastrophe or loss of technology is a possibility though there's almost no evidence of this, and what is there is subject to dispute.

There's a tendency to think that there was a Master Race, but is there a mechanism - commoners breeding with Gods? I don't see a lot of evidence that in humans, genetics can devolve to a less sophisticated form in a systematic way. I suppose we could evolve to forms that looked simpler, not as smart, less hair, smaller size - that could be a result of population selection - people choosing smaller spouses?

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Hello my friend,

Im still trying to find data on that theory..but it states that while yes, our brain size is increasing (evolutionarily speaking) ..our brain capacity (the part we utilize) was genetically altered and has been greatly diminished or possibly blocked altogether . Though I do not particularly believe this theory any more than I believe in Atlantis.. it brings another dimension to the discussion table.

I will search more diligently for the paper explaining the intricacies of that particular theory... I am short on time right now. Great discussion though.










[edit on 16-12-2008 by Alter-Ego]

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Its mentioned in genesis, and its also mentioned in the writings of the Sumerians, and they are leaving us alone so we can grown on our own. they cant baby us the whole way, we'll become drones like the greys.

They are letting us figure things out on our own. that's why they don't let us know that they are there.

read up a little bit on the correlation of the bible, the krill papers and other neat stuff on the net.

also, scientists cant figure out where a % of our DNA came from. (i think it was like like 10-20%) we match everything else, just with that %, they just have no idea....

On a side note for you Hippie Bible lovers. No i don't believe in god, i believe we are one with god.... as is everything else in this universe.

As the OP asked do you think we evolved from aliens? then my answer would have to be yes and no. My theory is on how life evolved goes back to the point of how scientists are having a real hard time creating life from nothing. Basically I think that aliens have done exactically what we will do when we acquire the technology.

To make sure the human race continues beyond our planet, the easiest way would be to seed other developing planets. For example firing off millions of probes with just the right spark needed to start life if the conditions on the host planet are right. The spark would contain simple DNA structures from us and what ever is needed to make it live as a very basic organism so evolution could take its path.

This would account for how our DNA as complex as it is right down the the most basic life form just seemed to appear on earth. So even though the basic programing for all life on earth is complex (DNA) we did still evolve due to the conditions of the planet there for be unique to this planet. Exactly the same probe landing on a planet with say 0.1G more than earth will evolve totally different creatures for example.

This is totally my theory probably due to an over active imagination but seems to fit until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by ugie1028
Its mentioned in genesis, and its also mentioned in the writings of the Sumerians...

Could you do me a favor? Please tell me which writings of the Sumerians say this. Not a modern interpretation, but from the Sumerians themselves.

Originally posted by Poet Of Deception

Originally posted by xweaponx

What do you think?

I don't think! Well... I dont think about this anyway. Its just a load of rubbish, but there are some good points made!

There Are some very good points made on both sides of the fence.. Fact is we do not have the missing link. You can read both sides into each other. Take what ever book, scripture, cave paintings or any religious painting.. Religion< UFO, Aliens, ebe's.... We are all part of a bigger plan. It's just in us to search, seek hypothesize to find out what that plan is and WHO we are as a Human Race and how we came to be. I have a deep feeling (with in myself) that I will be alive to see and feel the answer but from where or who it will come from I do not know..

Originally posted by autowrench
veryrandomann said:

The whole concept of evolving from aliens is not very probable and is likely not even plausible.

Alter-Ego said:

I find it exceedingly hard to believe that "aliens" had anything to do with it... if they did, why don't our ancient text, records and historical documents, just come out and tell us this fact ??

Not to disrespect you two, but have your read and studied at all outside the normal things children are taught? You both come off like paid dis-info agents, anyone who has studied the literal thousands of docs and hundreds of videos out there, plus the millions of people around the world, some whom have never seen a book on UFOs or seen a TV report the same things, and even draw pictures that are so similar it is uncanny..... knows something un-earthly is out there, and here. Wake up and smell the coffee, gentlemen.

Pardon me?

Please tell me which of the two gentlemen implied that aliens don't exist, or, conversely, stop with the strawman - making.

Originally posted by autowrenchI believe they have toyed with us biologically. What other species on this planet has evolved so much in such a short period of time?

Uh, the influenza virus?

How about HIV?

Please provide any evidence you're aware of for Homo Sapiens evolving "...in a short period of time."

Harte

[edit on 12/18/2008 by Harte]

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by OldMedic
Hate to tell all of you, but H.P. Lovecraft is a fantasy writer.

Actually he was more of a horror writer, but that is neither here nor there. I'm more curious about what inspired this comment.

Savior,

Lovecraft was the first person to propose an ancient astronaut theory, albeit he meant it as fiction.

Harte

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I can see that I have angered you, and fort that, I apologize. I am anything but a psychopath, and that in itself tells me a lot about you, and why you come here, and why you reply to post like the one I participate in. FYI, our own government does in fact pay a lot of people to do exactly what I accused you of, I have actually tracked down a few myself, using my connections with law enforcement. I was actually speaking to veryrandomann, and Alter-Ego in the reply, and I see you are SaviorComplex, and that too says a lot about who you are, what you believe, and the time you are willing to put in to discredit anything not of your particular religious flavor. Again, I am sorry I offended you, but from now on, why not just ignore me, and we will not have to have this conversation a second time.