Gaza families eat grass as Israel locks border

Israel cannot afford to carry on doing what is is doin, sooner or later the hate has to stop. The overt rascism shown by so many Jes be it the Government or individual Rabbis does nothing but o fuel the flames of conflict.

Which Rabbi was it that said 1 million arabs arent worth the finger nail of 1 jew, and they wonder why they are hated and depised. Such comments do nothing for the security of Israel or its people.

reply to post by magicmushroom


Yeah. Well, I've heard a lot of Muslim leaders say some dumbass things as well.

Talk is cheap.

The only thing that counts are results.

And for the past 60 years, things overall seem to be going all Israel's way.

Gee. Could that be a trend?

Dooper, Yes and I would not agree with those comments either, at least I can recognise the fault on both sides. And I would not say Israel is having it easy or has done over the past 60 years, several wars constant conflict and the populace living in constant fear both real and imagined and you call that a success.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by magicmushroom

 

Yeah. Well, I've heard a lot of Muslim leaders say some dumbass things as well.

Talk is cheap.

The only thing that counts are results.

And for the past 60 years, things overall seem to be going all Israel's way.

Gee. Could that be a trend?

You really seem to find it hard to admit that is also Israel to blame for this situation, don't you?

You see, I am not against Israel and frankly speaking I think they have every right to live in Israel and protect their state against terrorists and whomever threatening the state's existence.

However, what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is inhuman and by no means justifiable.

Firstly, the Jewish states does nothing to prevent settlers from increasingly occupying Palestinian territories, which then are connected by roads and walls to slowly expand the borders of Israel. In a documentary I saw on TV a Palestinian family was shown which refused to sell their house to Jewish settlers. Two months later their house was burnt down by Jewish settlers. Now justify that? It's Palestinian territory, not Israeli.




Who would you feel if one country makes your country like a prison, leaving you with the least fertile land, denying you access to roads and implement so many restrictions that your live becomes a living hell. Imagine that you cannot move freely anymore, that you can visit your family on the other side of town and that you are treated like this at the hundreds of checkpoints in your own country, which were built to prevent terrorists to attack Jewish settlements in Palestinian territories




It seems that Europeans are way better educated on this topic than Americans. Mainstream media has played an important role in brainwashing the masses.

reply to post by Mdv2


Interesting map. Makes you think that these settlers and squatters are virus like what with the spreading and eating up territory.

That's exactly what's happening.

Today (11 September), Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem is publishing a report on Israel’s blocking of Palestinian access to land around settlements lying east of the Separation Barrier. The report reveals that state authorities and settlers have de-facto annexed rings of land amounting to tens of thousands of dunams to these settlements.

Control of these lands is seized by a variety of means, but two modus operandi stand out: 1) settlers, and sometimes members of Israel’s security forces, violently attack and harass Palestinians who venture near settlements; and 2) erecting fences and other physical and electronic devices around the lands, blocking Palestinian access to them. In many cases, the authorities turn a blind eye to unlicensed closure of lands, systemically avoiding their duty to enforce the law on criminal settlers.

The total amount of lands thus attached to settlements can only be roughly estimated, as most of the takeovers were not documented or officially sanctioned in orders. In recent years, however, Israel began to formalize the closing of lands by issuing military orders in the framework of the “Special Security Area” (SSA) plan. As part of this plan, Israel has fenced off 12 settlements east of the Separation Barrier, unofficially annexing 4,558 dunams (4 dunums = 1 acre) and thus increasing the overall area of these settlements by a factor of 2.4. Half of the closed off lands are privately owned by Palestinians.

The closing of lands around settlements primarily harms Palestinian farmers, who face almost impassable bureaucratic obstacles when attempting to access their lands. As a result, many are forced to stop cultivating their land.

Israeli officials seek to justify the closing by citing the security need for a warning space around the settlements, to help protect settlers. Indeed, in 2002-2004, Palestinians killed 31 Israeli civilians in settlements in the West Bank, and wounded many others. However, B'Tselem’s research has demonstrated that the authorities permit settlers to access these purported “warning areas”. B’Tselem has documented settlers living on, and tending to, closed off Palestinian lands. This contradicts the security logic cited by the army and defies the closure orders issued by the military commander.

In the report’s conclusion, B'Tselem provides a number of alternative measures that Israel can take to protect settlers while reducing infringement of Palestinians’ rights. However, the organization emphasizes that, given the illegality of the entire settlement enterprise, Israel is obligated to evacuate all settlements and must not work to perpetuate them. Therefore, the only lawful way to protect the settlers is by evacuating them and returning them to Israel.

Oh.. and the source is from Israel: source

Now Dooper and Co, how are you gonna justify this? What the FVCK are these morons doing in Palestinian territories.


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MDV, well posted, yes this uis exactly what is goping on but soem here think its perfectly OK to eradicate a populace just because they want their land. Welcome to the new Jewish Nazis, they went through a Holocaust and no they are doing the same to others.

If they do not stop then their fate is sealed. God said he would punish those who broke his commandments and the jews chosen one's or not are in for a right good kicking and they have no one to blame but themselves.

But the problem goes much deeper than anyone can see. American Zionists and Jews are fuelling this conflict from the USA. They are setting the aAmerican populace up for ww3 and its all about Israel and the ME. They are stiring up a war of hatred between Christians and Muslims hoping that they will wipe each other out and the chosen one's will inherit the Earth. Well they are not chosen, they are just one big crime family from top to botom.

Jews who settle in Israel know they are occupying stolen land and know from the outset that their actions will cause conflict so thereore they cannot be considered to be innocent. The active policy of armed Jewish settlers stealing Palestinian land and when the Palestinians fight back the Israel Nazi storm troppers move in to bulldoze the homes and kill the populace. We have seen this happen year in and year out.

The worst thing about all this is that we stand by and watch this happen. If it was any other country doing it we would be going in to sort them out. But as the Jewish corruption is so complete and like an octopus with tentacles controlling banks, Goverments and Goverment policy they get away with it.

But it will not last as fiortunately the Jews don't control everything and never will. Until they drop the attitude that they are superior to all others then they will never have peace and that is probally why they have been persecuted throughout their history.

reply to post by Mdv2


It's really pretty simple. This land was Jordanian prior to the 1967 War.

This land after the war was not Jordanian.

The land since has been Israeli. In turn, the Israelis have been accommodating as possible for the previous inhabitants.

What part of this is so difficult?

It's Israeli land.

reply to post by dooper
The land wasn't Jordanian for more than a blink of the eye. It was British before it. Turkish before that. As you correctly point out it's Israeli land now.

The jews are eventually gona run out soon as long as millitants and countries sorrounding keep attacking it.I think the only way for the palestinians to get their lands back is by keeping up with their attacks and intensifying it to a level where the israeli's get fed up with their leaders and their policies.

Hamas hasn't agreed to carry on with a renewed cease-fire deal.Time to rain all those rockets in israel that it has been building for months.The rockets might not kill many but they indeed will create fear.

The only way to win this war is by making israeli's life unbearable and creating constant fear in their minds.

reply to post by ufoorbhunter


UFO,

YOU know that, and I know that, and ISRAEL knows that, but the ones who just don't like Israel, DON'T ADMIT IT!

This is the basis of the problem. The entire problem.

Arabs don't even recognize Israel. So how can we expect those dummies to recognize the results of 1967, and the revalidation of 1973?

Cute video earlier.

The problem is that these appear staged. One never knows what was said to initiate a response. And those boys were laughing as they took off down the road.

And to tell you the truth? If my country had suffered all these bombings and suicide bombings, I'd search these yahoos every five minutes. They'd never get where they were going.

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token, the day the Israeli's truly feel fear, it will be the end the the problem over there, as the Israeli's will take the gloves off and exterminate these vermin.

These Palestinian clowns can only fire a few mortar rounds and rockets. And then run like hell. Of course the slower one was killed, but happens in the wild all the time.

No, I don't see these cowards doing anything but lobbing rockets and mortar shells. And the moment the traffic gets too heavy, the Israeli's will attack with a fury.

Oh. There's been a slight change since the last go-around.

Lots and lots of MOABs have been acquired by Israel.

I look forward to the next round with great anticipation.

reply to post by t0ken

With views like yours Token, I wonder why the hell Israel gave back so much land for the illusion of peace. With views like yours Israel has every right to take out the whole ME from the Sinai to Euphrates if it's the only way to make the people safe.

Dooper, insulting people as usual, and events are staged are they, what do you mean like Mossad blowing up the WTC, or killing its own people and blaming it on others. Yes I understand what you mean they have a well detailed history of such actions don't they.

And I know your trying to make this into we all hate Israel but you will have to try alot harder. The majority of replies on this thread have accurately detailed what has and is happening on both sides of this conflict.

If the Israelis were entirely free of guilt I would agree you but that is not the case is it and to quote you, deep down you know it to be true.

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I agree Doper. Israel will have to take the gloves off proper style in dealing with these architects of terror. No more PC stuff like 2006 Lebanon. Proper shock and awe. This will probaly be at the same time as taking out Iran and its nuke/military/industrial complex, no point in doing it if the Israelis leave the Iranian Foreign Legions Hamas and Hisbollah on the borders to exact a little revenge, best bet take 'em out in a concerted attack 1967 style. Israel has the tech to do this.


[edit on 22-12-2008 by ufoorbhunter]

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by t0ken

 

token, the day the Israeli's truly feel fear, it will be the end the the problem over there, as the Israeli's will take the gloves off and exterminate these vermin.

Israelis are feeling the fear even now.

These Palestinian clowns can only fire a few mortar rounds and rockets. And then run like hell. Of course the slower one was killed, but happens in the wild all the time.

Kinda shame that even with US tech israel is unable to stop rockets and mortars raining on its towns.

the Israeli's will attack with a fury.

Yeh and kill loda civillians which in turn will benefit hamas and the likes alot more resulting in more pain for israel.

What do you mean, kill civilians?

That's whose killing the Israelis. Civilians are launching the rockets. Civilians are the ones blowing themselves up. Civilians are the ones shooting at Israelis. Only civilians.

So if Israel kills civilians, then what's the big deal?

It's not like these yahoos have enough courage to wear a uniform!

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by t0ken

 

With views like yours Token, I wonder why the hell Israel gave back so much land for the illusion of peace. With views like yours Israel has every right to take out the whole ME from the Sinai to Euphrates if it's the only way to make the people safe.

The nations around israel are not very far from aquiring nukes.Soon with the help of countries like pakistan the tech will be delivered to them.And Pakistan itself is capable of gifting out Nuke warheads via ISI to Iran and syria.

And when they pop these nukes, there go your Palestinians! Poof!

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So the final defence of the architects of terror is Pakistan? Is this why the powers that be in the region are encircling it along with Iran (The Main Pillar Within The Axis Of Evil) with a view to taking it out? Then no more chances of a Muslim with a nuke? China, India, Russia, USA, Israel all have their Islamic Issues, they could all do without an Islamo terror bomb.