Report: Obama to Use 'Hussein' at Inauguration Ceremony, Give Speech in Muslim Capital

reply to post by FlyersFan


My question is why the 180 degree turn around, why did he run from Islam and towards our Allies like Israel and India in the campaign and then run to it after he was elected.

And yes I think there was a conspiracy by the PTB to cover up parts of Obama's life to get him elected, I think McCain didn't do all he could have done and handed the POTUS to Barack, cause McCain is a player too. I seriously wonder what type of message this sends to our Allies fighting terrorists, I mean goodness this man is turning 180 degrees the other way and he hasn't even taken office yet... I am not afraid he can make America an Islamic nation, that would be ridiculous a best. I mean did Kennedy make us all Catholic? or Bush make us all Satanists that like torture?

My point is we were LIED to and people were called racists throughout the campaign over Barack for using his middle name. And now the SHEEPLE are just like the Bush sheeple, support anything he does right or wrong, this is not what a good American does. Good Americans should hold their elected officials to a standard and cal them on it when they deviate.

Let me make a PREDICTION here: Barack Hussein Obama will be that until some right winger says it then again it will be RACIST to use it...

Thanks for your response on the thread though I appreciate it.

reply to post by Silenceisall


More I am a racist crapola, CMON PEOPLE CAN WE STICK TO THE TOPIC?

reply to post by Stormdancer777


IT is NOT a tradition to use the Middle name, this is a farcical try at giving Barack a pass on his previous statements.

I dare you to show me the last 10 presidents and how many used their middle name. and if even one, but it's much more, didn't use their Middle name but their Middle Initial then I would say I have defeated the lie of TRADITION.

But thanks to you for keeping it on topic, I appreciate it.

Look folks I just call em like I see them, and this man is undoing or doing everything he said he would or wouldn't do. It reminds me of Bush Sr. "READ MY LIPS". I didn't vote McCain or Bush ever in my life so this nonsense of Republican is dead wrong, I grew up in Washington D.C.had many black friends and black girlfriends so the notion of RACISTS is wrong, and I think that Islam is Satan's way of getting the sons of Abraham to kill each other off so I ant a Religionist.

I simply see to much contradiction to previous statements of Barak and his actions now and that SHOULD boher any rational thinking person. Maybe I shouldn't have added Kenyan to the original Post, but my goodness that isn't really settled yet either as the Marrs post points out.

[edit on 12/12/2008 by theindependentjournal]

What I'm saying is that when we look at Fox News track record on telling the truth we should really consider whether the story has merit or not FIRST before delving into a debate about the subject matter. That, and some of the things you said in your follow up post are not cool, for instance:

I think we been took by a Black African Muslim and the powers that be have always known this information and they hide it from us. Why did they what a Kenyan named HUSSEIN to be president?

This, to anyone who may not know you, is completely MARRED IN RACISM.

And no I do not think CNN is any better and I'm in no way a fan of political slant. I don't trust Obama as far as I can throw him, but I have legitimate reasons. I'm not trying to pull things from dead air that aren't true and spinning them in ways that do not reflect the truth. I am not the MSM.

I read government documents, accounting documents, I read statements, and transcribed conversations and interviews, I dive into archives, and I use the scientific method. I do my research.

Because of this you cannot ask me to argue facts when you haven't presented any,

The difference is /intent/.

When people emphasized his middle name in order to invoke scare tactics by associating him with Terrorists - that was wrong.

But for him to leave out his middle name when he's sworn in (when tradition demands that you use your full name when taking an oath) in some sort of act to hide it or be ashamed of his legal name, would also be wrong.

The real issue here is, so what if his name is Hussain? Are people really so ignorant that they A: think anything remotely muslim at all is bad? B: that Muslim=Terrorist? Or is it just convenient?

This is childish stuff.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by Silenceisall

 

More I am a racist crapola, CMON PEOPLE CAN WE STICK TO THE TOPIC?

This is why screaming racsim works.

They use it as a tool.

Watch how many times it gets used to silence any dissenting voices once he takes office.

It worked to get him elected.

If you didn't vote for Obama you were a racist.

[edit on 103131p://bFriday2008 by Stormdancer777]

Frankly, I kind of wish someone who IS Muslim would run and win the Presidency. We need to get to the point as a nation where religious preferences do not matter in office. I don't care what your religion is, I care about your policies. That many influence your policies, but if it is in a way I don't like then I just won't vote for you.

I do not believe Barack Obama is a Christian or a Muslim. Given his life history he is probably agnostic or atheist, but a few years ago his campaign advisers warned him he would have to be perceived as Christian to win national office. As such, he has been forced to "play the game" since no non-Christian candidate would win the presidency. That needs to stop.

[edit on 12-12-2008 by LowLevelMason]

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

IT is NOT a tradition to use the Middle name, this is a farcical try at giving Barack a pass on his previous statements.

I dare you to show me the last 10 presidents and how many used their middle name. and if even one, but it's much more, didn't use their Middle name but their Middle Initial then I would say I have defeated the lie of TRADITION.

But thanks to you for keeping it on topic, I appreciate it.

You are right it is not tradition, the article I posted said that.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

IT is NOT a tradition to use the Middle name, this is a farcical try at giving Barack a pass on his previous statements.

I dare you to show me the last 10 presidents and how many used their middle name. and if even one, but it's much more, didn't use their Middle name but their Middle Initial then I would say I have defeated the lie of TRADITION.

But thanks to you for keeping it on topic, I appreciate it.

William Jefferson Clinton was inaugurated with his full name.

George Herbert Walker Bush was inaugurated with his full name.

George Walker Bush was also inaugurated with full name.

Those are just the ones I was alive for.

The difference is /intent/.

No doubt.

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
My question is why the 180 degree turn around,

I understand what you are saying. However, I think that he is just using his middle name at the Inauguration because that is the tradition and he's holding to it. If he were not to use his middle name, then people would talk about that as well.

I understand that he's not one to old to all the POTUS traditions. For example - The Chicago Sun Times reports that Obama requested a very early move in date for the Blair House - so he could conduct businesss closer to the White House. It was rejected. The White House doesn't want to give the appearance of two presidents. There can be only one.

However, I do think that him using his middle name at the ceremony really is just him following the tradition. If after the swearing in you think that he's throwing around the middle name a lot for some nefarious or conspiracy type theory - then post your observations and we can all take a look.

It may have merit at that point. It is possible that he could use the middle name to somehow help relations in Islamic countries. But don't forget this ... he was once listed as a Muslim in Indonesia and now he professes to be a Black-Liberation Theology Christian. Therefore, the hard core Muslims will most likely see him as a traitor to Islam. Using his middle name as leverage might not go over well with them.

reply to post by projectvxn


Right the article I posted said this,

Jimmy Carter and Ronald Regan didn't use their middle names.


God help me , lol

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I actually think those are the only two that didn't....
I could be wrong about that thought so don't quote as fact.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

I actually think those are the only two that didn't....
I could be wrong about that thought so don't quote as fact.

I have no idea either.

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
I do not believe Barack Obama is a Christian or a Muslim.

I am of the opinion his religion is PANDER. To the CHristians he says he's a Christian. To the Black Liberation Theologists he's an angry black fella with a sprinkling of bible thrown in. To the liberal press he looks down his nose at 'those clinging to guns and their religion' (obviously pointing at Christians). To a reporter he said that the Muslim Call to Prayer was the most beautiful sound on Earth - and a Christian wouldn't say that about a Call to Prayer to a god other than their Trinity God.

reply to post by projectvxn


Why is it uncool to mention Kenya, the Marrs post s huge and discusses that very thing? I said in the previous post that maybe I should have left the Kenyan part out so I apologize for going off my own topic MY BAD...

Now can we discuss the points?

1. Why all of a sudden is Barack Hussein Obama that Name when it was racists to say before? And the tradition answer is bull, as any quick search would show.

2. What are our allies like India and Israel going to think of Barack's turnabouts? Barack gave a speech in Germany in the campaign and said Israel was our Ally and the only democracy in the ME, now he want's to go to one of those NON Ally nations for his first big speech?

3. Should the new President's first speech be in a Islamic Capital? Is it right to go to a country that supports terror for his first big speech? I know America supports terror too but he has to give speeches here it's where he lives and is the President of...

Do people not think these are turnabouts? Do you think it's untrue cause I used a Fox News link? I don't watch fox news I watch CNN and any quick search would give you the same info on CNN or whatever source you want so can we please stop the Fox News isn't reputable crap... I mean NONE of the MSM is really reputable are they?

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Thank you for doing the search for these people, it's a bull answer for his turnabout on his middle name. And I have to wonder why the turnabout not that he is POTUS Elect.

I don't care if he is a Muslim as far as this Nation goes but this man will have Foreign Policy in his LAP in a short time and what will his Foreign policy be and what will our allies do.

I a afraid Israel is going to see these actions by barack as not in their interests and they will attack Iran before Bush leaves if they fear Barack won't stand with them. How many of you want that? WW3 anyone?

And here, watch the presidents swear in, most using their full names. Harry S Truman, his middle name was simply 'S', not standing for a name. Dwight D. Eisenhower however only used an initial. James Earl Carter used 'Jimmy Carter'. And Ronald Regan didn't use a middle name at all.

Take a look around the World, Not just America, what do you see? a World ripping itself apart because of the mindless crap people have been fed, I became firmly convinced a while ago, that the American administration needed an enemy, been that way for a while, and look at the result? World wide terrorism, as to who the real terrorists are still remains to be seen.

Obama is doing what should have been done a long time ago, he is reaching out, trying to create a peace from the rubble that is left, what does it matter what faith he follows? what does it matter what his name is? fact is this man is looking ahead.

It will only take something like this to start a change, people don't want to be afraid any more of something that before 911 had done no harm to anyone (Islam) we have all been force fed the nonsense and hatred, some wish it to continue.

To use Bush's own words, if your not with us then your against us, face the bloody consequences of that, you make your bed you lie in it so to speak, or as some here in Liverpool would say pull your head in or lose it.

The World is changing, people are tired of lies, being ripped off, fearing what our Governments have planned, stripping us of all we own, these people just don't know when to quit, and i promise you, somewhere, someone is taking notes, someone needs to pay the piper, and I very much doubt it's going to be the people.

Look at this for it's merits not what can be blown up from it, give the man a chance for the love of Mankind, all I seem to see recently, are racist bigots, who have nothing but their own agenda's in mind.

Thats fine as long as they don't get in my face, and leave the decent folk alone.

Give it a bloody rest.

Originally posted by azzllin
what does it matter what his name is?

So all of a sudden his middle name aint a topic? Really interesting considering that during the Campaign he an his people flipped the heck out every time someone used it. That military guy used it and they all cried foul, and he said I used it because it is his middle name and the people cried bull chips.

Now he uses it :cause it is his middle name" an it's OK.
You can not have it both ways...

This is starting to look like the N word, on this part of the topic. Middle Name...

It's always racist when Republicans use it but never Racists when Barack uses it... Cmon people this is doublethink and surely doublespeak.