Interesting video, Jamie Maussan alien creatures.

TextJust found this on youtube, and thought I'd post it I have never seen this here or anywhere else, it appears this man is doing some kind of symposium or ufo conference. I know that Mexico is a hotspot for ufo and et activity and the mexican people are having more and more sightings as of late.Let me know what your thoughts are I deffinitly think that this vid is cool I like the small grey's the best.Of course these could be photoshop any image experts wanna take a closer look? I'm trying to do some more research on this guy and will post as it comes my way.

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Edit to add comment.As wll as google vid, wiki link.
Wiki link en.wikipedia.org...
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Im sorry, but I cant stop lolling at this man.

He could not have used worse pictures to try and make a point. Epic Fail

IMHO Jaime Maussan has the best of intentions and seems to be a really nice guy, but he is just too gullible, he has tried to make the UFO subject in Mexico mainstream for years but with this kind of "evidence" he makes skeptics laugh even harder.

Here is Ufowatchdog`s opinion:

Promoter and supporter of various UFO hoaxes. Constantly claims to have scientific proof, but nevers seems able to produce it when asked. Claimed to have radar tapes confirming UFOs in Mexico airspace. Was reportedly asked for the tapes - the tapes never came to fruition. Supported Hale-Bopp UFO hoax made infamous via Art Bell and Courtney Brown. Told people at a 1996 UFO conference that stars in the sky were actually giant UFOs hovering in space above the planet.

www.ufowatchdog.com...

Interesting video... This image is related but kind of old...



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Definately an interesting vid.

Although Im a 'believer' (belief is just a step in understanding), im not too sure 'bout a couple of them.

The little guy by the horses 'feels' true, but what would a being be doing near two horses? I myself would not be standing out there, let alone something that could easily be trampled or spook the horses, leading to further chaos... it just dont seem logical to me.

The one behind the guys left shoulder looks just way too defined when zoomed in. Cameras just arent that good yet im afraid. Looks darn tootin though.

Interesting vid (i wish i had sound at the moment but i dont, so i only watched it visually), id like to see more of these.

On the 3rd of October, there was reported in the Mexican town of Branches Arizpe, Coahuila, an unusual filming obtained with the urban cameras of Public Security. Before the news, investigator Jaime Maussan was investigating the details of the case, presenting/displaying to the Mexican public the following information.

In Arizpe Branches a complex system of security cameras exists, that have a range of between 700 to 1500 m.s, with a powerful zoom lens and placed in strategically important points of the city, with an approximated value of $350.000, according to declarations of the Ing.. Ernesto Saro, President Municipal de Ramos Arizpe. The Director of Public Security, Ing. Homero Durán Flowers, declared that the video-operator managed to catch to one of the luminous objects that were reported via telephone, confirming that there was indeed observed shining points in the sky.

According to testimony of Ing. Roberto Rocha, Director of Projects of Telexpertice, basically what was observed in the video is a light source with special characteristics, since luminosity around the probable object is only perceived. Also he explained the importance of the long period of time that the object remained stationary. Taking into account the previous factors, Ing. Rocha considers that this event may have a strange origin.

Full article herewww.ufocasebook.com...

For some reaso this gur is intriging to me he's like the mexican equivilent to stanton friedman, I'll do some more digging and post as it comes I'm trying to find that radar info as well .

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Thats some very ropey 3d modelling, no wonder they stuck them in darkness lol. One thing that screams fake harder than anything else about these is a one that can be used for any images or footage that contain grey types with overly large eyes.

If a create like that existed with eyes that size, then the 2 eyeballs would interpenetrate inside the skull. As we all know eyes can't and wont work like that. Most of the eyeball is inside of the skull, so its a common mistake in 3d artists startingout wihtout a good (or sometimes any) knowledge of anatomy.

Lets take the bend at the elbow of the 2nd 'alien', take a photo of yourself or a friend with your elbow bent and then compare, you'll notice that these aliens appear to have rubber arms as there seems to be no bones present where the end of the bicep, and triceps attach.

I could got on all damn day about reasons that these images are fake, but I think that should do to bust this one.One fact worth baring in mind is that there are a massive ammount of young guys wanting to be 'famous 3 artists' although I always thought that the term was a litle weird myself) in south america and also the far east, and while some have the skills to go further, many do not as we witness in this video.

Wayne...

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Here is a cool J.Maussan vid on crop circles

(Part 1)



(Part 2)



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Wat about the little one by the horses?
could you maybe do some screen captures with good zoom to back up your claims please that would be cool

If a create like that existed with eyes that size, then the 2 eyeballs would interpenetrate inside the skull. As we all know eyes can't and wont work like that. Most of the eyeball is inside of the skull, so its a common mistake in 3d artists startingout wihtout a good (or sometimes any) knowledge of anatomy.

Well let's consider for a moment if we could the fact that these beings have always been reported to have "overly large eyes" the roswell incident for example: people who discribed the "bodies" stated that the "eyes were large " as far as the anatomy part well your guess is as good as mine how do we know what the exact structure of their eyes is at all it could be commpletly diferent from a sphere as I agree with you would probably cause some problems inside the skull.

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Wat about the little one by the horses?

could you maybe do some screen captures with good zoom to back up your claims please that would be cool

I've seen the one on the horse and still feel that its fake. It still screams 'test' to me. I always get suspicious when I see stuff at very small sizes or a little too dark to make out. As its the oldest trick in the book in 3d, if your model looks les than perfect' stick it in the dark lighting and make the size as small as you can get away with.

What I've said aren't 'claims' but rather common sense, but once I get back home tonight I'll be sure to knock out an example for you.

Wayne...

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That would be good at least then I could have something visual to consider by your (what I called claims rather I should have said statments) thanks in advance

Notice the difference in the elbow, this can be caused either by bad knowledge of anatomy or by bad skinning an an animation rig. The joint in elbows do not caue deformations like that.




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Here' a very quick speed sculpt of an alien type each with the usual overly large eyes, now please bear in mind I actually scaled them down from the photos on the video as it looked so bad there was no damn way I'd have my name to it...ever. So on the video the interpentration issues would be even worse.

The largest you'd see eyes with out interpentration issues in the eye's would be to scale them down about 20-30%.... but then you are stepping fast away for the standard 'grey' look. (Remember that you'd also have the bones between the eyeballs to conpensate for a well.)

The screenshots were taken in Autodesk Mudbox 2009 using a locked off camera to prove that theres been no jiggery pokery on my part. Should anyone have doubts I can make the model scene file available through springer..but beware the file sies are very large and you must have a computer capable of running mudbox.




On that fact alone those two aliens are busted as far as I'm concerned. I must point out that this is a very fast speed sculpt and not representative of the usual quality of my work.

I hope that help to illustrate the points I made.

Wayne...

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Ok cool so I somewhat get the arm explination as the shot you posted clearly shows distortion in the area of the elbow, of course the believer in me wants to come up with a good counter argument......sigh alas I cannot. But I'm still having a hard time with the eye topic(although the model you posted was awesome by the way:up I just can't see where millions of reports as to the "look" of "large black eyes" could be wrong, for the sake of argument I'm not saying that what you said is wrong and in fact I asked for good input like yours in the first place, I am by no means any kind of image expert or graphic designer so it would be a little far out for me to come up with any attack on what you have presented( wich I wouldn't) so I guess I fall back to waiting for other opinions. Thanks again

Of course, now anyone can produce a photo or video of an alien or UFO. Older pictures may be the only objective evidence we have of the phenomenon. It’s too bad that we don’t have many pictures of occupants. In 1996, Whitley Strieber touted a picture of a supposed “grey” that he said might be authentic becuase of “anatomical structures around the black eye covers that I have observed but intentionally never reported anywhere.” Strieber stated that the photo was most likely a hoax, but was convinced that the originator had experienced actual contact with alien beings, or had to talked to someone who did.

What are we to do with these pictures? Are they actual “alien” beings, hoaxes, or more like cultural signposts? Are we affecting the phenomenon by our imaginings, or is it subtly steering us to an appearance that it wants us to believe? Perhaps these images represent a subconscious marriage between our expecations and a mindless force that doesn’t care what we think about it. Another source of some of these images may be from the fertile minds of disinfo artists who produce them for reasons unknown, but having to do with inscrutable intelligence operations, like this one that appeared on the cover of former intel agent Robert Collins’ book Exempt From Disclosure. The original was apprently handed to UFO researcher Robert Dean many years ago by a man representing himself as a Mexican policeman.

Perhaps the safest assumption is that “alien” photos represent what we want to believe, created by humans for many reasons, including profit, fame, noteriety, or even inspiration, like religious icons of historical figures that the artist will never meet. The least likely scenario to me is that some of these images are of actual “aliens.”

www.ufomystic.com...
This one has me on the fence as I'm now trying to wade through the " do they look the way we think they look" topic

This guy is apparently so gullible I could show him clips from E.T. and he'd buy into it. Comparing him to Stanton Friedman is an insult to Mr. Friedman.

The only pic that was even remotely interesting was the one with the horses.

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Secret web, i think your model is a bit too anthropomorphised, as are the implications of your argument. I'm guessing that the space issues are due in part to the deep set of the eyes in you alien, and the assumption that the eyeballs will be the same shape as our own. Different species have different shaped eyeballs, and large eyes are not always an impossibility. Have a look at some tarsier pictures for a crude example. Not that I don't think the photos are a crock of #.

OP, you suggested some discrepancy between the claim that the classic 'grey' eyes would be impossible, and the testimonies of grey witnesses. This discrepancy only exists if the witnesses are not frauds and fantasists. This is a big if. One of the passes you quoted presents Strieber as an authority on the greys. Didn't he admit that he made it all up?

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This guy is apparently so gullible I could show him clips from E.T. and he'd buy into it. Comparing him to Stanton Friedman is an insult to Mr. Friedman.

Ok ok maybe the freidman comparison was a bit brash I'll retract that statement as I now realize the implications I made( my bad) as far as the gullible part I gotta ask for some mercy.. I mean I was not stating these videos as fact I just posted what I thought was interesting and left the door open to input ( which I always welcome) I would not patronize a topic unless it contained even the slightest degree of interesting content no would I attempt to waste the time of fellow ATs'ers it should be noted that I have only been attempting to research this subject(modestly) for about 1 year now so I am probably prone to items that have already been torn apart but might be new to me.

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photoshop ftl.

Originally posted by the secret web


Notice the difference in the elbow, this can be caused either by bad knowledge of anatomy or by bad skinning an an animation rig. The joint in elbows do not caue deformations like that.




(click on image to see rest of it)

Here' a very quick speed sculpt of an alien type each with the usual overly large eyes, now please bear in mind I actually scaled them down from the photos on the video as it looked so bad there was no damn way I'd have my name to it...ever. So on the video the interpentration issues would be even worse.

The largest you'd see eyes with out interpentration issues in the eye's would be to scale them down about 20-30%.... but then you are stepping fast away for the standard 'grey' look. (Remember that you'd also have the bones between the eyeballs to conpensate for a well.)

The screenshots were taken in Autodesk Mudbox 2009 using a locked off camera to prove that theres been no jiggery pokery on my part. Should anyone have doubts I can make the model scene file available through springer..but beware the file sies are very large and you must have a computer capable of running mudbox.




On that fact alone those two aliens are busted as far as I'm concerned. I must point out that this is a very fast speed sculpt and not representative of the usual quality of my work.

I hope that help to illustrate the points I made.

Wayne...

not that i believe these pics are real, but how do you know if the aliens would have the same bone and muscle structures as us? there appendages have been described as almost serpent like with no bones or joints.

I post some details for those interested in the chilean photo of an alleged alien.

The Parque Forestal (Chile) Alien Photograph
Date: May 10, 2004
Location: Parque Forestal, Santiago, Chile

Civil Engineer Germán Pereira was taking photographs of the Carabineros (state police) on horseback in the Parque Forestal of Santiago, Chile. One of the photos, after being downloaded from his digital camera, showed the image of a possible alien being. CIFAE Chile has interviewed the witness and undertaken the analysis of the photograph.

www.ufoevidence.org...




Restoration of the Parque Forestal Image (CIFAE Report)
Andres Duarte, Scientific Director, CIFAE Chile, June 17, 2004

In regard to the analysis of the Parque Forestal photograph, CIFAE delivers this interesting report by our scientific director to the international UFO research community.

Interview with Alien Photographer
CIFAE Chile
Articles in Spanish compiled by CIFAE Chile, including their own investigation of the Parque Forestal photograph.

9 Possible Explanations For Alleged Alien In Chilean Photo
From Scott Corrales
The Journal of Hispanic Ufology
6-11-4

By Camilo Valdivieso
Terra Networks - Terra.cl
6-8-4