Evidence that NASA is altering the true colours of the pictures of Mars

reply to post by Deaf Alien


Good deal DA! Keep us updated! And get some rest!!


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Excuse me, but I was in this discusson LONG before you were, so if you want the proof, go find it for yourself. You CAN do searches and click on links cant you?

If anyone deserves to be in this discussion its me and the others who have contributed FAR more than you have given the title of the thread!

Im not your "go get it" person so use the links, use google, subscribe to AP and get the photo yourself.


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Originally posted by RFBurns
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The image was taken by AP news at the press conference, not NASA. So it wont be on any NASA site. But I did find another link to a report about it.

Link is HERE.

But if you seen the other link to NASA's own site, and go through alot of those images, you will see that even NASA, now and then, puts out the images that are not clearly saturated in red. The previous link, with the two panoramic images, shows that.

I will find more links to more of NASA's un satruated red images.





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I wouldn't know where to look, but I could swear I've seen the blue-sky photos on NASA's website.

Do an experiment: Get yourself a color target, and have someone take a photo of you with your color target. Adjust color balance so the target looks correct.

CONSPIRACY!

Deny ignorance.

Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by Yoda411

 

Excuse me, but I was in this discusson LONG before you were, so if you want the proof, go find it for yourself. You CAN do searches and click on links cant you?

If anyone deserves to be in this discussion its me and the others who have contributed FAR more than you have given the title of the thread!

Im not your "go get it" person so use the links, use google, subscribe to AP and get the photo yourself.


Cheers!!!!

Your getting a bit too personal with your posts. Back Up.

The point is that there is no evidence that picture of a NASA press conference is legitimate until you can prove the source of the photograph.

I realize this provides a large hurtle that you have to jump over in order to get to your side of the debate, but that is your hurtle to jump. Those who believe NASA does not intentionally alter the images of MARS have NASA's credibility backing up their claims. Your claims are backed up by UFODigest? I think you see the problem in that.

Lol, this is from NASA's scaled-down program Maestro. I am not going to say anything. Just wanted to show you.

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That photograph clearly requires some additional explanation.

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That photograph clearly requires some additional explanation.

Yeah, which is why I said I wasn't going to say anything until further research. Besides, I just wanted to show you all a pretty picture

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Its not my place to prove an AP photo yoda. And as I pointed out, AP requires you to sign up and subscribe to their photo archive. Again, its not my place to be the one that "must" provide the proof that it is an AP photo. That photo is on hundreds of websites, have you written to those article authors and website owners/masters to have them show you proof that the photo is actually an AP photo?

It is not my responsibility to prove everyone else's sources of where they get a photo. And all you have to do, if you really are looking for the truth to that 1 particular photo, is to simply go to AP's website and sign up and then search their archive for it. Why should I have to pay for something I already accept when you dont?

And again, that photo is on hundreds if not thousands of websites, not just ufodigest and I did provide a link to Rense, which is even far more credible than ufodigest, are they also going to sing up at AP and pay to get that photo just for your sake? NO they arent. And besides, even if I were to sign up, its a subscripition site which means that if I put up a link to it here, when you click on it, you wont see anything but their log in page because its a subscription site! Im sure you understand that! So in effect, you have to sign up and see it for yourself through your own account that you set up there.



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Let me ask you something yoda411, have you even read through this entire thread before posting your first post? IF you have read the entire thread, you would clearly see that what I and others are doing is simply providing eye candy images. Pretty pictures, using NASA's own datasets, and comparing them to NASA color photos.

Now when NASA themselves post color pictures that are not red saturated, and others are, THAT is where we question..why. Why the deception of some being red, and others not being red.

IF you read through this entire thread from the begining, you will also see that the statement has been made by me, and others, that we are not trying to re-write the process, or established scientific analysis, or trying to change the world. We are simply putting up pretty pictures. I think that is pretty darn easy to understand..yes?

And as I have explained time and time again, I did not start this thread, I am merely contributing to it. And there are more members here that appreciate the contributions than there are members who are simply taking this whole effort WAY out of context and not even bothering to read the statements, the links, the evidence of red images and not so red images straight from NASA's websites, which you have even seen and still think I and others here are wrong, and expect me to account for thousands of website's use of 1 AP photo.

To be honest here, the only thing that is really starting to get irritating is the ignorance to the statements of our purpose, and the sheer ignoring of it and presistance of us doing something that we are not. I for one would rather look at a picture that is 1000 times off accuracy if it doesnt show tons of red. It doesnt matter to me about the .00000000000001 percent accuracy, I just want to look at something different than all that red saturated stuff, as do others. That is not asking for the universe, nor is it asking for a complete re-write of data or established scientific processes.

Were not being scientific here at all. We are making pretty pictures using NASA's data, thats it. And some of these pretty pictures are exactly like the ones NASA publishes, except of course all the red ones.

And you know what else, those pretty pictures have drawn attention to what is in them, and that means that at the very least, people are actually taking the time to look at them and develop an interest in Mars and the space program again. I think that the results speak for themselves.

So with that, forget about me verifying a photo I never used or posted or even took. I dont have to. Its not my job to prove the world is round..or blue. There are email addresses and website url's that you can go to and ask for them to verify that AP photo, or simply sign up yourself and then see for yourself. If you are not willing to do that and expect everyone else to "pay your way"...that will never happen.



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That's a whole lot of excuses for a very small amount of evidence.

It's also a whole lot of accusation towards NASA for a small amount of evidence.

Once again, this thread is to provide evidence that NASA is altering the true colors of their pictures.

What am I doing? Seeking credible evidence that backs up your outrageous claims.

You claim to have an AP photo, but can't link it to the Associated Press at all.

Originally posted by Yoda411

That's a whole lot of excuses for a very small amount of evidence.

It's also a whole lot of accusation towards NASA for a small amount of evidence.

Sheesh did you even go to those links to NASA's websites I provided that clearly show you color images that are not red? I doubt you have.

Originally posted by Yoda411
Once again, this thread is to provide evidence that NASA is altering the true colors of their pictures.

Thats right it is. Do you even know who started the thread, and if you have read through this entire thread, you will see that MY part is simply contributing to it with pretty pictures. Just becasue I have more posts than others in here, does not mean that I started the thread. Go back and read through the whole thing and discover what our real intent is.

Originally posted by Yoda411
What am I doing? Seeking credible evidence that backs up your outrageous claims.

You claim to have an AP photo, but can't link it to the Associated Press at all.

I never made any such claim about an AP photo. Please do show me where I made that claim. I simply said that someone else posted a picture of a NASA press conferece on page 1 of this thread that shows Mars with a blue sky. You see, you dont even have the story straight to even expect me or anyone else to take you seriously.

As to MY claim, I have already provided you with the links to that evidence, more than once too. You either simply did not click on them and see for yourself, or your just playing the "trolls advocate" and ignoring the provided evidence to continue your baseless accusations.

The links are there, the pictures are there, the evidence is there. Now all you have to do is simply LOOK. Well you have to click on the links first and go to the NASA websites first, and then LOOK, but I believe I have provided enough links and evidence to my claim, that NASA has published color images that are not red, and others that are highly red. I have proved my claim time and time again. You are simply not looking at that evidence.



Cheers!!!!!

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A whole lot of talking, and yet still very little evidence to back up your claims.

Originally posted by Yoda411
reply to post by RFBurns

 

A whole lot of talking, and yet still very little evidence to back up your claims.

You are either totaly ignoring the evidence provided, or you are simply trolling this thread to disrupt it. Again, the links are there, the photos are there, all on NASA"s own websites. Im not going to hold your hand and walk you through each site and each photo.

So please do visit those links that take you directly to NASA's own websites and photos and just look for yourself. If you dont want to do that, then I would conclude that you refuse to see the evidence right from the very source, and perhaps that in iteself is totaly unbelievable to you because you are set to think that NASA never lies or does anything wrong.

Again, the links are there, the pictures are there, in plain view, right off of NASA's websites. Go look at them. You have the links, point and click and see for yourself ok?



Cheers!!!!

[edit on 15-12-2008 by RFBurns]

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
Also, this is what they showed at the press release.

Notice the sky? Did they slip up and show Mars' true color?

Since you have completely forgot what we were talking about I'm going to bring this back on topic.

I am seeking any credible source that links this photograph to either the Associated Press, or NASA. Thank you.

it's obvious the totalitarian censors at NASA are lying about something. The last Great Ape.

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With your re-quote of the image, did you notice who you quoted? Do you realize that it wasnt me who posted that image? So why are you on my case about providing proof that its a legit photo from AP?

And since I clearly explained to you, more than once, that it is an AP photo and that AP news requires you to sign up and subscribe to their photo archives, cant you put 2 and 2 together there and understand that in order for you to get the proof that is an AP photo, you need to sign up at AP news website to be able to see that photo in their archive!

I dont know what else to tell you yoda411. You have it in your capability to find that proof yourself. And again, I am not paying for a subscription for just 1 photo that cannot be displayed by linking to it off their website when all your gonna get is their log in page, and Im not going to host it on my sites because all you will do is cry wolf that its hosted on my sites and doesnt prove anything.

Its so freakin easy for you to get that proof your looking for. And dont forget, there are thousands of other websites out there using that photo and saying its an AP photo. Why dont you go insist to them too that they provide proof of its origin?



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I'm not interested in bickering back and forth. I am actually trying to seek credible evidence for my own knowledge rather than the sake of the argument. Thanks for understanding.

Hmmm, that source seems elusive. I will keep looking for it.
This is the other photo of the press conference I found:

xfacts.com...

Originally posted by Yoda411
reply to post by RFBurns

 

I'm not interested in bickering back and forth. I am actually trying to seek credible evidence for my own knowledge rather than the sake of the argument. Thanks for understanding.

Well finally we agree on something!! If your actually trying to seek credible evidence for your own knowledge rather than the sake of argument, then why arent you searching for that evidence yourself? Why are you expecting others to do the work for you? Its not like no one has tried for you. You might help in the search too you know!

I have spent the last 3 hours here searching for that proof you seek, then I realized that I am just being played by you when it is clear that you can use a pc and use google to do a search. I, nor DA or anyone else is a magician and can pull a wabbit out of our rears for you in providing a source for that image. Your only alternative at this point is to go to AP news website, sign up and go into their archive and find it. If no one else can find a source you deem credible enough for you, well there is not much else anyone can do about it at that point.


Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by RFBurns
Well finally we agree on something!! If your actually trying to seek credible evidence for your own knowledge rather than the sake of argument, then why arent you searching for that evidence yourself?

Believe me, I did. I found no proof that links the photograph to NASA or AP. This is why I am calling out those whom believe the photo to back it up.

Good luck!