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[I]Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib[/I]
Re: The 7th Trumpet
The 1st trumpet is sounded at the BEGINNING of that last year...the rest of the trumpets sound throughout that year, the LAST TRUMPET, the 7th Trumpet ENDS that year.
Rev 6:12 .... And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.
Rev 6:17 ...for the great day of His wrath HAS COME(that is, it has arrived, it has started), and who will be able to stand?
Joe 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and terrible day of the LORD come
Rev 8:1 ...He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in Heaven for about half an hour.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels who stood before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded....
Rev 9:3 And out of the smoke came forth locusts onto the earth.....
Rev 9:10 And they had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. And their authority was to hurt men five months.
However, I have also found that the 2 witnesses begin their 1260 day ministry 75 days after the sacrifice and oblation is taken away because they are rapture on the same day as the last trumpet which is 1335 days after the sacrifice is taken away. So in this you were right that these two times start at different times but end at the same time. This was a revelation to me.
Now when this occurs, notices Christ's instruction!
He tells those in Judea to flee! We know the time : 1290th day (Dan. 12:11)!
So the church is to flee to the mountains for safety from the army on the 1290th day.
Soon after this flight the Great Tribulation begins (Matt 24:21)
Originally posted by abcdef
reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH.
The birth of Christ is the single most important prophetic event in human history and one that was long prophecised.
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
A lesson in English would be in order
If I say
In the year I was born, x happened
In the year that y was president, a and b got married.
In the year that z landed on the moon, w happened.
Then yes, x happened, a and b happened (got married), w happened, but not for the whole year.
If we are talking about an event that happened IN a year, then correct English would require a statement of the form (or similar)
IN (within, around, about, etc) the year of X, Y happened
Then we are talking about an event Y that happens in the year of X.
If we say
THE year that x was mayor, x lived in New York.
THE year x lived in Europe, x only walked.
THE year x worked at Z, was x's happiest year.
Year is a definitive amount of time, and it is referring to something that spanned that whole time.
8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and THE YEAR of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
It does NOT say, IN THE YEAR, it says THE YEAR...and is referring to something that will SPAN THAT YEAR, and that would be the Lord's vengeance.
There are other verses that agree (of course God's words agrees with itself) with this, and have already been quoted, and they all say the same thing
[to be continued...]
[edit on 1-4-2010 by SirPaulMuaddib]
Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
A person seeking the truth does not go in and insert his interpretation, he READS OUT from the word, looking for truth.
Let's look at Rev 11:18, what does it say? Let's read a few translations...
Rev 11:18
(KJV+) AndG2532 theG3588 nationsG1484 were angry,G3710 andG2532 thyG4675 wrathG3709 is come,G2064 andG2532 theG3588 timeG2540 of theG3588 dead,G3498 that they should be judged,G2919 andG2532 that thou shouldest giveG1325 rewardG3408 unto thyG4675 servantsG1401 theG3588 prophets,G4396 andG2532 to theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 them that fearG5399 thyG4675 name,G3686 smallG3398 andG2532 great;G3173 andG2532 shouldest destroyG1311 them which destroyG1311 theG3588 earth.G1093
(LITV) And the nations were (WERE: PAST TENSE) full of wrath; and Your wrath came(CAME: PAST TENSE), and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth.
The nations WERE angry, because they had to endure a whole years worth of God's wrath that DID COME.
It is NOT talking about something that WILL COME, it's talking about something (God's Wrath) that DID COME, and what follows is the unmeasured pouring out of plagues, that will consummate His wrath.
The middle voice
Further information: Deponent verb, Reflexive verb, Mediopassive voice and Unaccusative verb
Some languages (such as Sanskrit, Icelandic and Ancient Greek) have a middle voice. The middle voice is in the middle of the active and the passive voice because the subject cannot be categorized as either agent or patient but has elements of both. An intransitive verb that appears active but expresses a passive action characterizes the English middle voice. For example, in The casserole cooked in the oven, cooked appears syntactically active but semantically passive, putting it in the middle voice. In Classical Greek, the middle voice is often reflexive, denoting that the subject acts on or for itself, such as "The boy washes himself", or "The boy washes". It can be transitive or intransitive. It can occasionally be used in a causative sense, such as "The father causes his son to be set free", or "The father ransoms his son".
Many deponent verbs in Latin represent survivals of the Proto-Indo-European middle voice; many of these in turn survive as obligatory pseudo-reflexive verbs in the Romance languages such as French and Spanish.
en.wikipedia.org...(grammar)#The_middle_voice
The present progressive tense takes the form be + V ing.
The form of be is determined by the subject of the sentence.
He is singing.
She is listening.
They are sleeping.
I am going home.
In English, the present progressive is used to indicate actions happening at the time of speaking, or right now.
Jake is speaking to his mother right now.
Please keep quiet. The baby is sleeping.
The present progressive can also be used to indicate actions occurring over a period of time which includes the present.
I'm taking five classes at the university.
Grace is working at a chemical factory.
What are you doing these days?
The present progressive is sometimes used to indicate ongoing, developing, imminent or future actions.
Ongoing
Don't bother Mr. Grumpy while he is watching the football game.
Developing
I'm beginning to like this place!
Imminent
A: Honey, where are you?
B: I'm coming. Just let me put on my shoes.
Future (Note the presence of future time words.)
A: Are you going to the concert this weekend?
B: I wish I could, but I'm meeting an important client from Oklahoma.
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The 7 last vials/bowls are the consummation of that wrath, to say all the plagues mentioned would occur on one day is simply ludicrous.
The 7th trumpet itself, yes, that will occur on one day, the vials/bowls that follow, do NOT ALL TAKE PLACE ON THE SELF SAME DAY.
These plague will be witnessed by resurrected saints. It will occur AFTER the Second Coming, and will take a certain amount of time.
I do not know, if one can estimate the time span this will occur over, but it will not be in one day.
The sixth vial/bowl, involves the gathering of the Armageddon army, who will travel over land...it will take many days, for this vast army to be gathered.
Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial on the great river Euphrates. And its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the rising of the sun might be prepared.