The 5 Most Important Days in Prophetic History

There are 5 Days in Prophecy, that will be the most important in human history. By "history" I of course mean future history...

(I will cover the scriptures later)

They are:

1) the 1335 days - somewhat of a mystery at first, but we can deduce with some certainty what occurs on this day.

2) the 1290 days - armies surround Jerusalem, the abomination is set up

3) the 1260 - Church (the Woman) flees in wilderness. Great Tribulation Begins.

4) the Day of the Lord - (really a year long, but it starts on a certain day)

5) the Second Coming - Christ returns to earth to take over all governments.


Visible events occur on all 5 days. On the 4th and 5th aforementioned ones, world wide signs visible to all humans on planet earth will occur.

At #1, #2, #3 the visible events will occur in the Jerusalem area, but will be front page news events, that will be covered by every major news station.

(more later)

:-)



[edit on 10-12-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

1) 1335 Days

Let's look at what the bible says about this...

Dan 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

That's it. That's all the bible says on this event. We'll back track to this, because the next 2 signposts will give an indication as to what happens on this day, that will be apparent when it actually does happen.

The 1290 days



This is mentioned and referred to 6 times in the bible



They all say essentially the same thing.

1) Armies surround Jerusalem

2) Sacrifices (the daily) is halted

3) An Idol is set up on the alter of sacrifice.



This is the visual signal for the Church to flee.



Here are the passages in Daniel

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease, and on a corner of the altar desolating abominations, even until the end. And that which was decreed shall be poured on the desolator

The language is Dan 9:27 is rather confusing, but this incident is clarified in the other two passages

Dan 11:31 And forces will stand from him, and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and shall remove the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the desolating abomination

Armies come in....they halt sacrifice...they place abomination in place. Note this "thing" requires placing.

An "abomination" is a Hebrew synonym for AN IDOL. This idol will be placed upon the alter of sacrifice, desecrating it.

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the desolating abomination set up, a thousand two hundred and ninety days shall occur.

This verse pinpoints the time, again, it says the same thing, daily is halted (daily is Hebrew term for daily sacrifice). Abomination is set in place..

This is the START OF THE 1290 day countdown.



The following two verse also point out something extremely significant.

Dan 12:12 Blessed is he who waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

Dan 12:13 But you go on to the end, for you shall rest and stand in your lot at the end of the days.

BOTH the 1335 days and the 1290 days END at the same time....that is...these days overlap....the 1335 begins...then 45 days later the 1290 day countdown begins, BOTH ending at the first resurrection / return of Christ.







The phrase "you shall rest"(John 11:12-14) is commonly understood to simply mean death. Daniel would "rest" or sleep in the grave, after which he will be "stand" or be resurrected at the return of Christ (note, this also shows when what is commonly called the "rapture" will occur).

We know what happens at the 1290 mark, but what happens 45 days before at the 1335 mark? We can deduce from the NT passages regarding the abomination of desolation, that the Church GATHERS AT JUDEA at the 1335 mark. Because she is command to flee at THIS SIGN...the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation!.





Armies surround Jerusalem..

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Note the armies surrounding Jerusalem signal that the DESOLATION IS NEAR....this is NOT the sign to flee....it is the sign that the setting up of the desolation (which is the sign to flee) is to occur SOON.



Idol is set up (stands in holy place)

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains

At this sign the Church FLEES into "her place" .



This abomination is an "it", it is a thing not a reference to a person, it is a thing, and it is stood and set up where it ought not

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

The NT verses SAY THE EXACT SAME THING as the Daniel verses.

1) Armies come in, surround Jerusalem..

2) Idol is set up

..this starts the 1290 countdown

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2


I know this is a rather old thread, but I had to thank you for posting this, SirPaul.

Minor correction to #3)

3) The Church ARRIVES at "her place", she flees at the 1290 mark.


Will post a quickie summary of the points again (to explain how they overlap, and how you can prove this), and then will proceed with rest of list.

If one examines the scriptures on the first 3 days (1335th day, 1290th day, 1260th day)

You will notice a couple of important points

1) They are DESCENDING in order, the 1335th day comes first, then 1290th, then 1260th. (will provide scriptures for this in second)

There are those who say it has already begun (it hasn't), there are also those that say the order is in reverse (1260->1290->1335), this is not true either, and will cover the scriptures on this.


2) The most important point, this second point, they all end at THE SAME TIME.


Which is at the Second Coming / First Resurrection. (which explains why the order is descending).



The proof for #1 comes from #2, for if #2 is true, then they must be descending in order.



[edit on 7-12-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib]

Timing of 1335th day

Daniel 12:12-13

(12) Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

(13) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days.

Verse 12) 1335 days mentioned

Verse 13) The end of those days, at the end of which Daniel will stand "in the lot", that is Daniel is in the First resurrection.

(note : this occurs AT THE END of those days, therefore the resurrection does not occur anytime before, those that say the saints are "raptured" before Tribulation simply overlook this key verse, there are many other verses that demonstrate this, but that's for another thread....I have discussed this in another poster's thread, it's an older thread, may dig it up, I discussed the point in detail)




Timing of 1260th day

(1290th day is sandwiched in between 1335th day and 1260th day, I'll discuss this in second)



We know when, the "lawless one" will be destroyed, he is destroyed at the Second Coming.

This "lawless one"

1) is indwelt by Satan

2) works miracles

2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of His mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming,

2Th 2:9 whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

This man is identified in Revelation as the False Prophet (in other words, this "lawless one" is not the beast / end time political leader).

The false prophet does miracles, the beast / political leader does not. However, they are both teamed up together for the last 3 1/2 years.

Revelation 19:20

(20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image: they twain were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

Let's look at the timing of their rule.

DANIEL 7:25
He shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws -- and they shall be given into his hands until a time and times and the dividing of a time.
(3 1/2 years)

DANIEL 12:7
It shall be for a time, times, and half a time that he can scatter the power of the holy people.
(3 1/2 years)

REVELATION 11:2
The holy city they tread under foot forty and two months.
(42 lunar months = 3 1/2 years)

REVELATION 12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and sixty days.
(1260 days = 3 1/2 years)

REVELATION 12:14
And the woman was given wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
(3 1/2 years)

REVELATION 13:5
And there was given to the beast a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and power was given to him to continue forty and two months.
(42 lunar months = 3 1/2 years)

So God states in 3 separate ways, how long their rule is
1) time + times + dividing of time
2) 42 lunar months
3) 1260 days..

So there should be no confusion...the False Prophet and Beast Leader, rule for 3 1/2 years. He phrases that timing in days, and then in months and then in years.


And they both are destroyed at the Second Coming. (2Th 2:8 , Revelation 19:20)

From our detective work we see....
1) 1335 days end with Daniel's resurrection (which occurs at Second Coming)
2) 1260 days end with False Prophet / Beast Lead destroyed (which also occurs at Second Coming)

They both end at the same time.

But what about the 1290? Does this too end at Christ's Second Coming?

Yes.

(to be continued)



[edit on 8-12-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib]

Let's see what happens on the 1290th day....

Dan 12:11 (KJV)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 8:11-12 (KJV)
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away , and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

Dan 11:31 (KJV)
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice , and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


Matt 24:15-21 (KJV)

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation , such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Note the two things that happen

1) The "Daily", a Hebrew term for daily sacrifice, is halted.

For this "daily" to be halted, means that it MUST START sometime soon. In other words, the Jews, will re-institute the daily sacrifice, this REQUIRES AN ALTER, it does NOT require a full blown temple, albeit this is a possibility.

The bible mentions only a "holy place" (Matt 24:15). A holy place is simply a consecrated location, it can mean a full blown temple, or it can mean just the altar. The bible is not explicit on this point. It only says "holy place".



2) An "abomination" a Hebrew term for idol, is placed on or near the altar, desecrating it. Note Dan. 11:31 it requires placing, it is a thing, an idol.



Now when this occurs, notices Christ's instruction!

He tells those in Judea to flee! We know the time : 1290th day (Dan. 12:11)!

So the church is to flee to the mountains for safety from the army on the 1290th day.

Soon after this flight the Great Tribulation begins (Matt 24:21)

Well we know the Great Tribulation starts on the 1260th day, and lasts 3 1/2 years.

So that the 1290th day ALSO overlaps the other two "days" (1335, 1260), and ends the same time those do, which is at the Return of Christ.



This flight by the Church (Matt. 24:15-21) into "her place" is also mentioned in Revelation.

Rev 12:14 And two wings of a great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the serpent's face.



At the sign (halting of sacrifice / placing of idol) she flees into the mountains for protection. As we see in Rev. 12:14 this flight into place of safety, and her time therein lasts for 3 1/2 years. These are the years that the Beast Leader + False Prophet are ruling the world.




















[edit on 12-12-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib]

The Day of the Lord: the bible explains what this is, and exactly when it occurs.

The Day of the Lord is spoken of in many places in the Old Testament.
It is a year long (will present verses in a second). It is NOT the Tribulation.
While I sometimes refer to the last 3 1/2 years as the Great Tribulation, it is really divided into two parts.
The first 2 1/2 of those 3 1/2 years, is Satan's wrath against true Christians around the world.
The last year of those 3 1/2 years is God's vengeance against the whole world for its sins, as well as vengeance for taking part in the persecution of Christians.

One portion is tribulation from Satan, the other portion is tribulation from God, for a total of 3 1/2 years.


Here are some of the many verses that mention this Day of the Lord.

Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
Before the great and the terrible Day of the Lord come.

Joel 3:14
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision:
For the Day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

Amos 5:18
Woe unto you that desire the Day of the Lord!
To what end is it for you?
The Day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.

Amos 5:20
Shall not the Day of the Lord be darkness, and not light?
Even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Obadiah 1:15
For the Day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen:
As thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee:
Thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

Zephaniah 1:7
Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God:
For the Day of the Lord is at hand:
For the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice,
He hath bid his guests.

Zephaniah 1:8
And it shall come to pass in the Day of the Lord's sacrifice,
That I will punish the princes, and the king's children,
And all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

Zep 1:14
The great Day of the Lord is near, it is near,
And hasteth greatly,
Even the voice of the Day of the Lord:
The mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zep 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them
In the Day of the Lord's wrath;
But the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy:
For he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Zephaniah 2:2
Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff,
Before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you,
Before the Day of the Lord's anger come upon you.

Zephaniah 2:3
Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth,
Which have wrought his judgment;
Seek righteousness, seek meekness:
It may be ye shall be hid in the Day of the Lord's anger.

Zechariah 14:1
Behold, the Day of the Lord cometh,
And thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Malachi 4:5
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the Lord:

The day of the Lord
1) Is one year long, it is the day of the Lord's anger.
2) Has WORLDWIDE visible signs that mark its start.

Point #2 is very important, because a false prophet is claiming that a certain group of people have been sealed.
This is a lie. Because the bible (you can trust God over anything a man says), tells you WHEN this occurs as well, and it occurs right at the start of the Day of the Lord.


[continued in next post]


[edit on 19-12-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib]

OK, let's get to some verses...

These verses show how long the Day of the Lord is...while the bible often uses the day = year principle, in this case it also makes it explicitly clear.

Isaiah 34:2-3,8 (KJV)
2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isaiah 63:3-4 (KJV)
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.


Isaiah 61:2 (KJV)
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

It is a time of wrath from God against the world for taking the Mark of the Beast, and vengeance for their persecution to death of true saints around the world. (Isaiah 34:8)






When does this Day of the Lord start? The bible tells you when it starts, and what signs will accompany it!



Notice!

Rev 6:12-17 (KJV)

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

There are 4 visible signs that occur. When it comes, it will be impossible to miss. These signs will occur and be seen and felt worldwide.

1) The sun turns to black
2) The moon turns blood red.
3) There is a world wide meteor shower

4) There is a world wide earthquake.


Now...notice something interesting! This "sun turning black" sign IS NOT AN ECLIPSE.
How do you know? Because AT THE SAME TIME the moon has turned blood red.
There are people who read this passage, and say it will be an eclipse, and fail to see that the moon is blood red at the same time that the sun is black. Because the sun turning black happens at the same time the moon is turning red, it cannot be an eclipse.

Also here is something extra-ordinary!

This has happened before!

This sun turning black has happened in history, and will occur one more time.

Notice

Mark 15:33-34
(33) And it being the sixth hour, darkness came over all the land until the ninth hour.
(34) And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? (which being translated is, My God, My God, why did You forsake Me?)

During Christ's crucifixion, the sun turned to darkness for 3 hours.



There is extra-biblical evidence for this event.



Julius Africanus, a Christian writing in the 3rd century, cites a historian named Thallus, who wrote about a darkness that he explained as a solar eclipse, which Julius then went on to refute because a solar eclipse cannot occur during a full moon, which it was when Jesus was crucified.

The church historian Eusebius also cites a Roman historian from the 2nd century, who says that during the year AD 32/33 "a great eclipse of the sun occurred at the sixth hour that excelled every other before it, turning the day into such darkness of night that the stars could be seen in heaven, and the earth moved in Bithynia, toppling many buildings in the city of Nicaea," and references another unnamed source.

Seven Books of History Against the Pagans by Orosius also refer specifically to the darkening of the sun.

en.wikipedia.org...-henige-6



This was not a solar eclipse, but a supernatural event. This event will occur again, along with the moon sign, to signal the start of the Day of the Lord.

These signs are also mentioned by Christ, as well as in many OT passages.

Matt 24:29 (KJV)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


Joel 2:10 (KJV)
10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:




Joel 2:30-31 (KJV)
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.



Joel 3:15 (KJV)
15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Amos 8:9 (KJV)
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:



Isaiah 13:9-11 (KJV)
9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

[to be continued]

[edit on 19-12-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib]

[edit on 19-12-2009 by SirPaulMuaddib]

The only scriptures you have to base an idea that the Day of the Lord takes a whole year is scriptures that say things like "the year of my Lord" or "the year of the redeemed" etc, which is quite stretching it. If I talk about the year of my birth, does that mean I am saying it took a whole year for me to be born, or the year in which this event took place? If I talk about the year of the Katrina disaster, am I saying that it went on for a whole year, or am I talking about the year it took place?


The day of the LORD, the wrath of God, does not come until the very end of the tribulation, the blowing of the seventh trumpet of the seventh seal, the third and final "woe". Revelation Chapter 11 is the key to this. The two witnesses prophesy for the 1260 days, at the end of this they are resurrected (which is a hint in itself), and this is when the 7th and last trumpet of the 7th seal is blown, which also begins the wrath of God....

REVELATION 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshiped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



REVELATION 15
1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth forever and ever.
8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.



To say the day of the Lord lasts for the last year of the 1260 days doesn't make scriptural sense, since...


Above it says that the time of God's wrath does not begin until the blowing of the seveth trumpet (Rev 11:18). It also says that at this time (7th trumpet), the voices in heaven say the kingdoms of the earth now belong to the Lord and his Christ (Rev 11:15) and that this is now the time of the dead, time for them to receive their reward (Rev 11:18), their resurrection, because notice what also takes place at the blowing of the "last trump", when it sounds.....

1Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


1: God's wrath doesn't begin until the 7th trumpet (rev 11:18; and the bowls of wrath etc of the seven plagues of the 7th trumpet)

2: At the blowing of the 7th trumpet, the kingdoms of the earth become the kingdoms of the Lord and his Christ, which means he is now returning as King of Kings

3: The two witnesses are already dead by the blowing of the 7th trumpet, and they prophesy for the 1260 days

4: at the sounding of the last (7th) trumpet the resurrection also takes place ("at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible" (corrinthians 15:52; Matt 24:31)


Put these events in the order, God's word says: The wrath of God does not begin until the blowing of the 7th trumpet, with the seven bowls of wrath following, which is also when the resurrection takes place, and the resurrection doesn't take place until the return of Christ, and Christ doesn't return until the end of the tribulation. So unless you believe that Christ returns with a year yet to go in the tribulation, something is amiss.

The problem lies in the fact that people don't believe God could bring this to pass in one literal day.

Revelation 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

A lesson in English would be in order


If I say

In the year I was born, x happened

In the year that y was president, a and b got married.

In the year that z landed on the moon, w happened.

Then yes, x happened, a and b happened (got married), w happened, but not for the whole year.


If we are talking about an event that happened IN a year, then correct English would require a statement of the form (or similar)

IN (within, around, about, etc) the year of X, Y happened

Then we are talking about an event Y that happens in the year of X.


If we say

THE year that x was mayor, x lived in New York.
THE year x lived in Europe, x only walked.
THE year x worked at Z, was x's happiest year.


Year is a definitive amount of time, and it is referring to something that spanned that whole time.




8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and THE YEAR of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

It does NOT say, IN THE YEAR, it says THE YEAR...and is referring to something that will SPAN THAT YEAR, and that would be the Lord's vengeance.

There are other verses that agree (of course God's words agrees with itself) with this, and have already been quoted, and they all say the same thing

[to be continued...]

[edit on 1-4-2010 by SirPaulMuaddib]

A person seeking the truth does not go in and insert his interpretation, he READS OUT from the word, looking for truth.

Let's look at Rev 11:18, what does it say? Let's read a few translations...

Rev 11:18

(KJV+) AndG2532 theG3588 nationsG1484 were angry,G3710 andG2532 thyG4675 wrathG3709 is come,G2064 andG2532 theG3588 timeG2540 of theG3588 dead,G3498 that they should be judged,G2919 andG2532 that thou shouldest giveG1325 rewardG3408 unto thyG4675 servantsG1401 theG3588 prophets,G4396 andG2532 to theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 them that fearG5399 thyG4675 name,G3686 smallG3398 andG2532 great;G3173 andG2532 shouldest destroyG1311 them which destroyG1311 theG3588 earth.G1093

(LITV) And the nations were (WERE: PAST TENSE) full of wrath; and Your wrath came(CAME: PAST TENSE), and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth.

(MKJV) And the nations were(WERE: PAST TENSE) full of wrath, and Your wrath came(CAME: PAST TENSE), and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth.

(RV) And the nations were(WERE: PAST TENSE) wroth, and thy wrath came(CAME: PAST TENSE), and the time of the dead to be judged, and the time to give their reward to thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear thy name, the small and the great; and to destroy them that destroy the earth.

(YLT) and the nations were(WERE: PAST TENSE) angry, and Thine anger did come(DID COME: PAST TENSE), and the time of the dead, to be judged, and to give the reward to Thy servants, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to those fearing Thy name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the land.'



The nations WERE angry, because they had to endure a whole years worth of God's wrath that DID COME.

It is NOT talking about something that WILL COME, it's talking about something (God's Wrath) that DID COME, and what follows is the unmeasured pouring out of plagues, that will consummate His wrath.

The 7 last vials/bowls are the consummation of that wrath, to say all the plagues mentioned would occur on one day is simply ludicrous.

The 7th trumpet itself, yes, that will occur on one day, the vials/bowls that follow, do NOT ALL TAKE PLACE ON THE SELF SAME DAY.

These plague will be witnessed by resurrected saints. It will occur AFTER the Second Coming, and will take a certain amount of time.

I do not know, if one can estimate the time span this will occur over, but it will not be in one day.

The sixth vial/bowl, involves the gathering of the Armageddon army, who will travel over land...it will take many days, for this vast army to be gathered.
Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial on the great river Euphrates. And its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the rising of the sun might be prepared.




It MAY be possible, if one gathers the scriptures here, and in the OT, to ascertain, maybe, how much time these vials/bowls will span, but I do not know off hand.



[to be continued...]

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Great thread - I was wanting myself to sit down one day and put all of those "dates" down and see where it led.

Laziness got the best of me.

One note - you appear to be using the NIV as a resource - if you are truly sincere in wanting to quote the Scriptures, I would advise against using anything other than the Original Authorized 1611 King James Bible.

I, myself, used to think that it didn't matter which one I read - but trust me, it does matter.

These so called "new versions" have made thousands upon thousands of "changes" from the King James Bible. Some subtle, some not so subtle.

You can see what I'm talking about by THIS website - that particular page of the site has just a few of the "changes" that the NIV has made - that make a big difference in what they are trying to convince people of.

Satan, I imagine, is behind all of these "new versions" coming out. They are all corrupt -

THIS is the website's main page - and yes, there are alot of links on there, alot of information regarding "mankind" making serious changes to the original Bible.

Examples: removing the name "God", changing "satan" to the "destroyer", removing the name of "Jesus Christ" - and on and on .........

You can judge for yourself though - just wanted to give you a heads up on which sources are legit and which have been tampered with - by mankind.

Yes, I agree the Original Authorized 1611 King James Bible...is the best version to use and study by.

I may use modern translations for the clearer english, but usually will fall back to KJV or some greek/interlinear passage, for the proof texts.

You do bring up an excellent (and valid point).

I don't know off hand how much of one over the other, , but now that you mention it, I will try to use the KJV version more often when it comes to quoting text.


I still haven't gotten to # 5, of my original post yet.




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Re: The 7th Trumpet

You are quite correct...THIS TRUMPET...the sounding of this trumpet will occur on a single day, it will almost certainly occur on the Feast of Trumpets.

The 1st trumpet is sounded at the BEGINNING of that last year...the rest of the trumpets sound throughout that year, the LAST TRUMPET, the 7th Trumpet ENDS that year.

The vials/bowls/plagues that follow the trumpet span over an indeterminate amount of time, and occur after the Second Coming.

These are the Rod, that Christ will use to bring the STILL REBELLING nations into line.

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[I]Originally posted by doctorex[/I]


The day of the LORD, the wrath of God, does not come until the very end of the tribulation,

1: God's wrath doesn't begin until the 7th trumpet (rev 11:18; and the bowls of wrath etc of the seven plagues of the 7th trumpet)

No, the bible tells you when it will start, it starts after the 6th Seal Sign (the 6th Seal is the dividing line between the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord).

2: At the blowing of the 7th trumpet, the kingdoms of the earth become the kingdoms of the Lord and his Christ, which means he is now returning as King of Kings

Yes, the bible states this.

3: The two witnesses are already dead by the blowing of the 7th trumpet, and they prophesy for the 1260 days

Yes, the bible states this.

4: at the sounding of the last (7th) trumpet the resurrection also takes place ("at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible" (Corinthians 15:52; Matt 24:31)

Yes, the bible states this.

While point 2,3,4 are true, they have nothing to do with the timing of the Day of the Lord.

Rev. 6:17 tells you when the Day of the Lord begins.

It begins immediately AFTER the 6th seal sign, which is the Sun turning black / Moon turning blood red sign.


Rev 6:12 And when He had opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake. And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

Rev 6:16 And they said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him sitting on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;

Rev 6:17 for the great day of His wrath has come, and who will be able to stand?

The bible as always, agrees with itself everywhere....
Let's read about this in Joel.

Joe 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the great and terrible day of the LORD come

Right after the 6th seal, the 7th seal is opened.



Rev 8:1 And when He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in Heaven for about half an hour.

Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mixed with blood, and they were cast on the earth. And the third part of trees was burned up, and all green grass was burned up.





The 7th seal, contains 7 Trumpets...

From bible history, all major prophecies have occurred on Holy Days.

Passover - Christ was killed on Passover day.

Pentecost - Holy Spirit given to church.



The blowing of the 1st Trumpet will almost certainly be on the Feast of Trumpets.

(which will coincide with the start of the last year)

The blowing of Trumpet 2-6 will occur throughout that last year.

The blowing of the last Trumpet, the 7th Trumpet, we know ends that year (Christ Returns).



These plagues TAKE TIME.

They are not instantaneous. They do not all occur on a single day.

Just examine the plagues sent by Moses (from God).

They are precisely measured and metered out over a period of time.

[to be continued]





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Great thread Sirpaul. I think I'll have to contribute when I get a little more time. Keep up the good work.

I agree that this is a good thread. However there are some obvious errors as with any teaching including my own. Remain humble and teachable and we will get there I am sure.

I am afraid that i can not totally agree with your order though you have awakened me to a partial truth.

When I look at Daniel 12:11,12 I see that those who are blessed at 1335 days were blessed because after the 1290 days they WAITED and CAME to the 1335 days. Therefore there is no reason in the context written to feel that these 2 times did not start on the same date rather than end on the same date. In this you obviously error and must concede. The context that began the time allotted in both times was the taking away of the daily sacrifice. There is no other time mentioned as a starting point for the 1335 days that must again be WAITED for after the 1290 days are finished.

However, on a closer look at the 1335 days and knowing that this MUST be the rapture and comparing it to the 2 witnesses who are allotted only 1260 days and are then raptured and immediately an earthquake occurs and the 7th trumpet blows which IS the rapture, I realize that these 2 dates do NOT begin on parallel dates but end on parallel dates. I stand corrected on this one and thank you.

For these 3 dates then the only way I can accept them is that the Sacrifice and oblation are taken away in the midst of the 7 year.

45 days later the 2 witnesses begin their ministry

At day 1290 the abomination is set up

45 days later the rapture occurs

Now a little controversy- As for the 1260 days there is no real scripture that says this begins the same day that the 10 horned beast begins his reign though the beast is allotted a time times and a dividing of time in Dan7 and 42 months, which is 1260 days, in Rev 13. Unless the taking away of the sacrifice is GODS mark on when the beast begins his reign. After all the beast already reigns in the middle east via the ENPI. This is very likely the true marker.

I am still confused on when the idol is set up I am afraid. If we take Daniel 11 literally then the idol is set up the day the beast takes away the daily sacrifice and this means that the Jews in Jerusalem are taken captive on that day and the city is turned over to the gentiles. If this is so then the One World Religion will be given control of the Temple and it is them that the 2 witnesses will judge because it will be them that worship therein.

However, I am confused as to the meaning of Daniel 12:11 in this case because it SAYS from the time the daily sacrifice is taken away ( that is the starting point of this 1290 days) and the abomination that causes desolation set up ( that is the only other occasion mentioned) there shall be 1290 days.

I am afraid that I cannot see how we can interpret this verse any other way and I know of no other scripture that will shed light on this paradox. I remain confused. I am afraid that your explanation has not shed any light on this for me. The location of the timing of the idol is the revelation of the timing of Mat 24:15 and Luke 21:20.

Now you have said that these dates end on the second coming. I am afraid I must disagree as Daniel 8:13,14 tell me that the Lord comes 2300 days after the sacrifice and oblation is taken away. This means that after the last, great and 7th trumpet sounds there are 965 days before Jesus returns and sets up his kingdom. This makes perfect sense because there are quite a few things that MUST take place AFTER the rapture.

There is a star that hits the Earth before the rapture because it comes at the 1st through 4th trumpet. This star has the key to open the pit which I am sure is a literal pit. The beast that comes from beneath the Earth reigns for only 5 months but from the time the star hits until he ascends there is an undetermined space. After his ascension the armies must come from the east and then Armageddon which is obviously the day of the lord as before that day the asteroid hits. continued...

The DAY OF THE LORD is marked by blood as you have quoted.

The coming of the asteroid is the reason for the sun darkened and the moon turned red. The clouds that ascend from the pit will block out the sun and the change in the atmosphere will cause the moon to look red.