My take on the Obama birth certificate supreme court issue.

I am in the camp that believes that Obama is a US citizen and that these people that want him out of office are just racist people who can't imagine having a black President. I also think they are sore losers. I think that the people who try to push the case to the supreme court aren't that smart. I think that because these cases were ruled against their favor, and, the results said that Obama is a US natural born citizen. Basically, by rejecting these cases, the Supreme Court is effectively establishing that Obama has a US citizen because therefore with a rejection by the Supreme Court the lower court's ruling of the case still stands. Don't these people know anything about law?

Isn't it true that if the Supreme Court denies a Writ of Certiorari that the lower court ruling for the case stands, and, if that is the case, then Obama would be ruled a US citizen? I think that these people that want people to think Obama is not a US citizen would be better off not going to court, because, a) they don't have standing, b) if the judges ruled on any one case it would be against their favor because the Supreme Court doesn't want to take those cases and play political hot-potato. The people voted and want Obama. Do you see my point? By not hearing these issues the Supreme Court is effectively saying that Obama is a US Citizen even without some sort of hearing deciding whether or not he is legible to serve. So, I ask again, are these people dumb enough, or, ignorant enough to not realize this? They are only making themselves look bad and worse yet... when there comes a time when we actually do have a foreign citizen as POTUS they may not be able to take the person to court based on rulings that have already been made about Obama.

That's my view. Would you agree that these people are only making themselves look bad by going to the SCOTUS? They aren't going to get anywhere. So why bother with them? Why not keep doing their internet campaign which was smearing him already?

If this was a suspected illegal Mexican and you was wary of his BC but yet he was elected by more than 50% of the vote, would you defend him as Obama? Even if there was a slight chance he may indeed bre ineligible?

Just curious.

By not hearing these issues the Supreme Court is effectively saying that Obama is a US Citizen even without some sort of hearing deciding whether or not he is legible to serve.

No, they are not saying this. They are merely saying that they refuse to take the case. They don't rule or take every case that comes their way. You are correct that the lower court ruling stands. However, I have yet to hear about a case where the lower court has ruled that Obama is a US citizen. You are jumping the gun when you state that the lower courts are basically saying that Obama is a US citizen by merely dismissing the case. The main reason I have heard is lack of standing. Other than that than that the courts have made no reference, inference, assumption, or conclusion that Obama is a US citizen.

Now all that aside. I am not here to debate Obama's side or the other side. I am here to debate the Constitution side. It has requirement that a person must meet in order to be President. I would like the court to pick up a case , not to hurt Obama, but to make a ruling on who or how this requirement should be met. Otherwise, this problem will happen again in the future like the scenario I gave you at the beginning. At the moment there is no agency or authority, besides the courts, that can force a Presidential candidate to prove that he/she is eligible to be President. This leads the door open to fraud and deception for any person willing to take the risk. If an ineligible person is elected that would violate the very principle of adhering to our Constitution. The question on this matter is simple:

Should we uphold the US Constitution or not?

For all the people who have complained about Bush destroying the Constitution, I am surprised that many of you would be willing to join his rank. If you're so positive that Obama is a US natural-born citizen then you should have no problem with the SCOTUS taken up one of these cases and determining who is responsible for verifying that a candidate meets all the requirements as set out in the US Constitution.

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If this was a suspected illegal Mexican and you was wary of his BC but yet he was elected by more than 50% of the vote, would you defend him as Obama? Even if there was a slight chance he may indeed bre ineligible?

Just curious.

I would only defend him if he really was legible. I wouldn't discriminate against him because he's Mexican.

As to your question, I don't think it's a court issue. I think that this is a personal issue that many people have problems with him being President. Keep in mind these people called him a member of the socialist party, a communist, a terrorist, and then, a Muslim, and then a not-naturalized US born citizen. These people just want him out of office. Look, we didn't ask the Supreme Court to eject Bush out of office, so why should we let them do it to Obama because the losing side is just bitter?

[edit on 10-12-2008 by Frankidealist35]

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you are correct to a certain extent. There are some people who want him out for the reason you stated. I have no doubt about that. However, there also people, like myself, that base it on the Constitution. Obama can keep his job. All I want is a ruling on who is responsible for verifying Presidential candidates eligibility for future purposes. Is it the Secretary of State of each individual state or a federal agency? Like I said my issue isn't with Obama.
Many Obama supporters have yet to distinguish that there are three arguments going on.

One for Obama

One Anti-Obama and

One for the US Constitution.

At first I really thought it wasn't a issue . It was a simple matter , over looked paper work by his staff or him self .

Heck I even support his views of change in the government and a new direction .

But come on now cough up the COLB . I cant even get a DL license if I dont show it or many fed jobs .

And he can become president with out showing it ?

The more he avoids the issue the more lawyers he sends to court over it . The net effect for me is I am starting to wonder if there is something to it . There has to be a reason he wont show it or let the press get a hold of it .

To fight in court to hide your COLB it makes me think there is something fishy here .

Just try and take a lawyer to the DMV to tell them they dont need your CB or COLB you will be back with it or NO license .

I honestly thought was a US natural born citizen. Until he fought so hard to hide the BC or COLB . Now I am really staring to wonder ! If you have nothing to hide you show the required paper work .

I have been involved with construction work for years the only people who have tried to hide their SS# or DL or BC OR COLB fall into 2 categories

1 hiding from the law or financial settlements or
2 the illegal aliens

EVERY ONE else just shows the required paper work upon request with in a reasonable amount of time . And those who dont get fired period no more questions asked !

His actions and his alone has swayed me to think there is something wrong . Any normal person would just produce the required paper work and be done with it .

Show it already and put this to rest or pass the torch to Biden or McCain !

We dont need a legal battle over the presidency with our economy in this shape and with 2 wars going on.

As a supporter of Obama I request in the strongest of terms Please !

SHOW IT ! ! ! or GET OUT ! ! !

[edit on 10-12-2008 by Lostinthedarkness]

Yes, I wouldn't mind if Obama revealed his birth certificate, but, if it is true what he said and that his birth certificate on his website is the legit one than he already did. Still, I think these crazies will feel unsatisfied.

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I know what you mean but I look at it differently. I don't care about defending him really because it won't make that much of a difference even if he were a foreign born citizen. Our Government works for someone else, not us, so, it wouldn't be surprising if Obama was a foreign born citizen. That being said, I was convinced that he was one until it was said that he was born in Hawaii, and, before I knew exactly where he was born I thought he had dual-citizenship in Kenya and that he was born in Kenya at first (as the internet rumor said) but I didn't think that he wasn't a non-US born citizen.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
these people that want him out of office are just racist people who can't imagine having a black President. I also think they are sore losers.

So how exactly is this a 'conspiracy' thread?

All this thread is, is you spouting your opinion that everyone who wants to uphold the Constitution in regards to the position of POTUS is a racist sore loser.

A new conspiracy thread isn't needed for that. You can paste that drivel anywhere on any one of the numerous birth certificate threads that are already running around this site.

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No, I think that if their claims is legit they should, but, I think THAT IF THEY HAVE NO BASIS, than they shouldn't be allowed to hold a trial on Obama because they have no evidence.

Originally posted by jam321
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you are correct to a certain extent. There are some people who want him out for the reason you stated. I have no doubt about that. However, there also people, like myself, that base it on the Constitution. Obama can keep his job. All I want is a ruling on who is responsible for verifying Presidential candidates eligibility for future purposes. Is it the Secretary of State of each individual state or a federal agency? Like I said my issue isn't with Obama.
Many Obama supporters have yet to distinguish that there are three arguments going on.

One for Obama

One Anti-Obama and

One for the US Constitution.

How many times does this need to be said? the constitution DOES NOT SAY that every American must view a presidential candidate's birth certificate and sign off on it as legitimate. Some people are not happy with the election results, and some people will always think that Obama is a Kenyan, a British colonial, an Indonesian, or maybe even a real "alien". The point is, the opinions of those people (some of you!) simply don't count in the system. A large number of people thought (and think) that G. W. Bush is about two tacos short of a fiesta, but he still served eight years.
I believe in free speech, so go ahead and fill the internet with countless threads about the non-citizenship about Obama. In the end, it will be worth as much as all those who whined about Whitewater. Zip!

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Yes... and also wouldn't they screen him before he became Senator? I'm pretty sure they did. I think this wouldn't be much of an issue if he announced he was originally born in Hawaii before the myth came out though.

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