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Fed Weighs Debt Sales of Its Own

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posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 12:36 AM
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DECEMBER 10, 2008

Fed Weighs Debt Sales of Its Own
Move Presents Challenges: 'Very Close Cousins to Existing Treasury Bills'

By JON HILSENRATH and DAMIAN PALETTA

The Federal Reserve is considering issuing its own debt for the first time, a move that would give the central bank additional flexibility as it tries to stabilize rocky financial markets.

Government debt issuance is largely the province of the Treasury Department, and the Fed already can print as much money as it wants. But as the credit crisis drags on and the economy suffers from recession, Fed officials are looking broadly for new financial tools.

Fed officials have approached Congress about the concept, which could include issuing bills or some other form of debt, according to people familiar with the matter.

It isn't known whether these preliminary discussions will result in a formal proposal or Fed action. One hurdle: The Federal Reserve Act doesn't explicitly permit the Fed to issue notes beyond currency.

Just exploring the idea underscores many challenges the ongoing problems are creating for the Fed, as well as the lengths to which the central bank is going to come up with new ideas.

At the core of the deliberations is the Fed's balance sheet, which has grown from less than $900 billion to more than $2 trillion since August as it backstops new markets like commercial paper, money-market funds, mortgage-backed securities and ailing companies such as American International Group Inc.

The ballooning balance sheet is presenting complications for the Fed. In the early stages of the crisis, officials funded their programs by drawing down on holdings of Treasury bonds, using the proceeds to finance new programs. Officials don't want that stockpile to get too low. It now is about $476 billion, with some of that amount already tied up in other programs.

The Fed also has turned to the Treasury Department for cash. Treasury has issued debt, leaving the proceeds on deposit with the Fed for the central bank to use as it chose. But the Treasury said in November it was scaling back that effort. The Treasury is undertaking its own massive borrowing program and faces legal limits on how much it can borrow.

More recently, the Fed has funded programs by flooding the financial system with money it created itself -- known in central-banking circles as bank reserves -- and has used the money to make loans and purchase assets.

Some economists worry about the consequences of this approach. Fed officials could find it challenging to remove the cash from the system once markets stabilize and the economy improves. It's not a problem now, but if they're too slow to act later it can cause inflation.

Moreover, the flood of additional cash makes it harder for Fed officials to maintain interest rates at their desired level. The fed-funds rate, an overnight borrowing rate between banks, has fallen consistently below the Fed's 1% target. It is expected to reduce that target next week.

Louis Crandall, an economist with Wrightson ICAP LLC, a Wall Street money-market broker, says the Fed's interventions also have the potential to clog up the balance sheets of banks, its main intermediaries.

"Finding alternative funding vehicles that bypass the banking system would be a more effective way to support the U.S. credit system," he says.

Some private economists worry that Fed-issued bonds could create new problems. Marvin Goodfriend, an economist at Carnegie Mellon University's Tepper School of Business and a former senior staffer at the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, said that issuing debt could put the Fed at odds with the Treasury at a time when it is already issuing mountains of debt itself.

"It creates problems in coordinating the issuance of government debt," Mr. Goodfriend said. "These would be very close cousins to existing Treasury bills. They would be competing in the same market to federal debt."

With Treasury-bill rates now near zero, it seems unlikely that Fed debt would push Treasury rates much higher, but it could some day become an issue.

There are also questions about the Fed's authority.

"I had always worked under the assumption that the Federal Reserve couldn't issue debt," said Vincent Reinhart, a former senior Fed staffer who is now an economist at the American Enterprise Institute. He says it is an action better suited to the Treasury Department, which has clear congressional authority to borrow on behalf of the government.

Write to Jon Hilsenrath at [email protected] and Damian Paletta at [email protected]

Source: WSJ

Now the Fed wants to pull a complete coup??

The Federal Reserve Act doesn't permit buying other than agency and treasury debt as it stands, but that hasn't been a factor in all these Bailouts now has it?

What would this debt be backed by? Nothing?

Or is The Federal Reserve, a private bank, is asking for permission to issue debt in the name of the taxpayers of this nation?

My phone and fax will be on fire tomorrow, every Representative and Senator I can get hold of will hear about how I believe this cannot happen!




posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Wow nobody is interested in this at all? Or are there too many here that just don't understand the implications of this? I really expected more attention to this article.



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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I didnt see you posted this article otherwise I would of commented. This is madness. If this is allowed to happen I am going to Washington. This is getting way out of hand. An unelected group of bankers allowed to create debt. I mean why the hell cant I just create some debt too and put it on the taxpayers there is no difference. If they allow this to slide oh man.... I will agree though Im sure many on this site will not fully grasp the implications.



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 12:34 PM
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Actually here is a good blog on the issue by Karl Denninger. Its the second blog from the top

market-ticker.denninger.net...

and I feel your pain on the important threads I created one this morning about the T bills going negative and got not a one comment.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To me this is important because it means if you lend the government money you get to pay them for the honors. LOL I guess that is how we do business now we also give trillions of dollars for the honor of borrowing it back at interest. Disgusting.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by mybigunit]



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 12:44 PM
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I read KD daily
thanks for posting his tickers though


About T-Bills, I posted about that too in another thread, as well as a 2003 FED article discussing charging negative interest on savings accounts in a ZIRP economy - which we are apparently in.

Seems that as this financial web weaves itself larger, more and more people do not understand the implications, and don't quite know how to react.

I know I am pissed! So do my Senators and My Representative & a few neighboring Representatives too.

Unfortunately, I think our elected officials are just as clueless as Joe 6 Pack on the implications of what is happening



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
Actually here is a good blog on the issue by Karl Denninger. Its the second blog from the top

market-ticker.denninger.net...

and I feel your pain on the important threads I created one this morning about the T bills going negative and got not a one comment.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To me this is important because it means if you lend the government money you get to pay them for the honors. LOL I guess that is how we do business now we also give trillions of dollars for the honor of borrowing it back at interest. Disgusting.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by mybigunit]


It should be somewhat scary to a whole whack of people that there treasury bills at a negative interest rate are considered by some to be the safest haven for their money at this time.

Think about that, then think about what that says about the sum of our economic plight.

Freakin' scary.


[edit on 10-12-2008 by GoalPoster]



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by redhatty
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I read KD daily
thanks for posting his tickers though


About T-Bills, I posted about that too in another thread, as well as a 2003 FED article discussing charging negative interest on savings accounts in a ZIRP economy - which we are apparently in.

Seems that as this financial web weaves itself larger, more and more people do not understand the implications, and don't quite know how to react.

I know I am pissed! So do my Senators and My Representative & a few neighboring Representatives too.

Unfortunately, I think our elected officials are just as clueless as Joe 6 Pack on the implications of what is happening



They are just as clueless. Most in Washington are morons. They have no clue and anyone who tries to explain to them like lets say Ron Paul they get laughed off the stage like a loon. America is borderline a fascist/communist hybrid right now. I think we will be going over the cliff soon enough. Sad I want to stay here because this is my home but if it gets to bad I will leave.



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
Sad I want to stay here because this is my home but if it gets to bad I will leave.


I understand completely. I have even looked into ex-pating to Canada. Pretty easy to do, surprisingly.



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 01:12 PM
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This is incredible. Can someone please explain to me how the Fed who prints money out of thin air needs to go into debt? What are the implications of this?



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
Can someone please explain to me how the Fed who prints money out of thin air needs to go into debt? What are the implications of this?


They are seeking allies (Read - people who have something to lose) in an unknown and increasingly hostile environment.



posted on Dec, 10 2008 @ 09:06 PM
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The FED doesn't actually print money out of thin air - well yeah, it's fiat currency, so technically, yes they do but...

Normally the FED would purchase Treasury Bonds, then the FED would write a "check" on itself, which would go to whatever mint is then authorized to literally print the money.

But in reality, we deal with fractional reserve banking, so the actual physical money supply is MUCH MUCH smaller than the amount of money in play.

Doesn't makes sense, huh?

The Money Matrix Series is a good learning tool
enjoy



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 01:25 AM
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Ok Fair enough, but I still don't understand why they would need to borrow money. Like why are they borrowing from all the big banks right now who got bailout money that are check-kiting? If the Fed is the source of money why do they need to borrow it? Makes no sense to me unless they are trying to crash the Fed.



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 01:26 AM
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I think they have plenty of allies. Don't you? All the big boy banks are owned by the same people. What allies could they possibly need?



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