Top 9/11 suspects to plead guilty

Top 9/11 suspects to plead guilty

news.bbc.co.uk

Alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four co-defendants have told a military judge at Guantanamo Bay they want to confess and plead guilty.

The five accused face the death penalty if convicted of a role in killing 2,973 people in the suicide plane attacks.

No date has been set for the five men's full military tribunal, and their appearance in court on Monday followed hearings held under a judge who resigned last month.

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Well, since I don't believe the "jet fuel melting steel" theory, nor do I believe these men were capable of bringing down three buildings with two planes, I find this whole thing to be a complete and utter farce.

Military tribunal? How strange, I thought they were terrorists, not sanctioned members of another country's armed forces.

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If they're looking to die for their cause, it sounds like this is a legal way of doing it rather than destroying innocent lives. Problem solved? Personally I'd rather they be detained until they change their minds. Perhaps some of them will decide one day to become a writer or artist. That's something they could develop on their own time and no one has to die.

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Alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four co-defendants have told a military judge at Guantanamo Bay they want to confess and plead guilty. My Emphasis

So...people being held at Guatanamo Bay have finally decided that death is preferable to torture.

Interesting...

Originally posted by MemoryShock
So...people being held at Guatanamo Bay have finally decided that death is preferable to torture.

Interesting...

If they believe they're going to be martyred anyway, why not say this?

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Martyrdom and the promise of virgins in the afterlife is better than life at Guantanamo.

They want to confess and to be put to death by the evil Americans!

I wonder how cognitive they are after all the years of the torturers th#ransmitting stuff into there brains day after day.

Oh yep, we all know there confession is real, lala land springs to mind.

Originally posted by saint4God
If they believe they're going to be martyred anyway, why not say this?

I wasn't clear enough.

I was attempting to intimate that a confession at Guatanamo Bay has the very increased potential to be coerced through unsavory tactics..

Perhaps they thought their imprisonment was no big deal because of the martyrdom...a threat of thirty years in prison before death is enough to consider...

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Perhaps this is a part of a continued cover-up of the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001?

Create a staged highly detailed confession, then quickly arrange the executions of the confessed. It is possible that under the Obama administration that Guantanamo will be shut down. On record confessions which would give strong credibility to the "official story" of 9/11.

Convenient?

They don't have long to complete this phase of the 9/11 cover-up.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Perhaps this is a part of a continued cover-up of the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001?

Though there is very little information/evidence to state as such with any degree of certainty, I am inclined to think that is a strong possibility.

The timing is suspect and 9/11 is a bigger hot point than the Guatanamo tortures. People will tend to believe the confession and loosely associate a justification of torture along with it.

Perhaps...

It is funky timing, why not wait until February? Why did confessions take this long? One could easily accuse the Obama camp of wanting "clean hands" before coming into office or having Gitmo cleared of dangers before taking the reigns.

They were so close... just a few months more, and they would be tried in a real court, with real people there.

pleas were a major victory for the US military tribunals, which have been widely condemned by international human rights groups. english.aljazeera.net...

Does anyone find this slightly suspicious? They've suddenly had a change of heart? It's not like they're deciding what to wear for the day it it?

The Last, yes it is all a farce, 9/11 was an inside job and we all know it. This is a corrupt Governments last ditch attempt to put this matter in the ground once and for all. But it won't as people know that these so called terrorists are probally nothing more than patsies who have been set up.

Who's going to care about 5 more Muslims gettting killed when we are killing them in their thousands every month in the ME.

An article in the New York Times suggests that the timing of the request has to do with Obama's inauguration in January. Maybe they feel they will get a fairer hearing and/or a more lenient sentence from an Obama administration, which is committed to abolishing torture and maybe even closing Guantanamo.

Judge Refuses Guilty Pleas

Interesting to say the least...

Originally posted by saint4God
If they're looking to die for their cause, it sounds like this is a legal way of doing it rather than destroying innocent lives. Problem solved? Personally I'd rather they be detained until they change their minds. Perhaps some of them will decide one day to become a writer or artist. That's something they could develop on their own time and no one has to die.

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"Stay here in our prisons illegally and get abused forever or confess. Who knows, if you do not confess, someday you might draw nice pictures or write pretty stories, from here, in your cell, where you will be until you confess."

I am not sure where you are going with that but 7 years of abuse in an illegal detention might get me to confess to a few things too if the only alternative is an endless life of the last 7 years.

Originally posted by MemoryShock
Judge Refuses Guilty Pleas

Interesting to say the least...

Denying wishes for the sake of doing so? If they wanted to live, would the judge issue a death sentence? "Whatever you do, please, please don't release us and send us home!" Hey, it worked for Bugs Bunny.

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Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
"Stay here in our prisons illegally and get abused forever or confess. Who knows, if you do not confess, someday you might draw nice pictures or write pretty stories, from here, in your cell, where you will be until you confess."

I am not sure where you are going with that but 7 years of abuse in an illegal detention might get me to confess to a few things too if the only alternative is an endless life of the last 7 years.

Are they detained illegally?

What evidence do you have of their conditions?

Originally posted by saint4God

Are they detained illegally?

What evidence do you have of their conditions?

What evidence does the U.S. government have to detain them with? Where did they get it? Under what circumstances were these men captured? What has been their access to legal council? Have they been able to address the evidence against them? Has their trial been speedy? Has their detainment been less than unusual and at the least - humane?

What evidence do you have of the answers you will give?

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
What evidence does the U.S. government have to detain them with? Where did they get it?

This was actually on the news, I don't recall all the details. Mostly it was through social networking, who they contacted, where in Afghanistan they were to fly to and who they were to meet when they got there. A lot of 'sting' operations in addition as I understand it.

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Under what circumstances were these men captured?

Conspiracy to commit terrorism or the technical jargon equivalent thereof.

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
What has been their access to legal council?

Legal? They're not U.S. citizens as I understand it so it would fall under the Geneva Convention if this is part of the 'War on Terror'.

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Have they been able to address the evidence against them?

A good question to ask the international community.

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Has their trial been speedy?

Again, Geneva Convention and international community question, they haven't U.S. rights if they're not citizens. If you're jailed in Mexico, you don't get a 'speedy trial' more than likely.

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Has their detainment been less than unusual and at the least - humane?

Wasn't this my question to you?

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
What evidence do you have of the answers you will give?

Both CNN and Fox News have toured Gitmo. We've seen the photos, interviews and such. I've read accounts by military personnel stationed there. I could assume they are all lying, but there's no details to the contrary as I understand it.

You're turn.

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