Depleted Uranium Weapons Turning Iraq Into Nuclear Nightmare

If the, "we the peoples of Earth" do not stand as one and hit them in there greddy little pockets it will never stop.

Look at how they are taking our hard earned money and giving it away. Logic would say to boost our ecomomy give the people there money back and let them spend it.

The Bush Clan and there buds have raped this Country and the Elitist that run this Planet will continue until we hit them were it hurts.... they will never stop.

We have to learn to help one another and do for ourselves, we do not need that root of all evil money to survive all we need is to learn how to care for ourselves and one another.

Earth was not meant to have boundries and people weren't to live the way they are and to suffer the way many are. Everything was put here for our survival and we are destroying everything.

We need oxyen to breathe so we destroy trees faster then we can grow them. They call the Tree..... The Tree of Life for a reason my friends, trees replenish us with that wonderful OXYGEN we need to breathe, they feed us, they cure us of ailments.

Children aren't being taught correctly or about the important things that need to be done. This Planet Earth was meant to be free for all and if we don't clean up the damage we have done real fast Mother Earth will destroy you and start again.

Do we as a race really want them using this mass amount of destructive material on us, I think not and we are the ones that have to stop this by hitting them in there greedy little pockets and walking away from all they expect from us.... will we do this, again.... I think not.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by observe50]

Originally posted by wayno
This one has me speechless. The damnable deeds of governments is becoming a heavy burden indeed. Public education is where to start.
This documentary is from 2004, yet the first I have heard of it.
Caution, very graphic.

video.google.com...#

edit to add: It's titled "The Doctor, the depleted Uranium, and the dying children."

[edit on 5-12-2008 by wayno]

I have to say, I started watching the video, but I will admit, I had to stop. Tears came to my eyes and right now - I just can't watch it all. But I will later, due to the fact reality is a bitter pill and hard to face at times, but living in a fantasy world not knowing truth's would then leave me unprepared when it is all unveiled. I just can't watch those children right now dying like that.

All I can say.....what has humanity come to? but more importantly, which I just can't wrap my head around in the reasoning.......WHY?

It also gets me sick when the government says: "Support our Troops" and you don't "Support them, if you are against the war"! After a few choice words to that /..........I say>>>> I SUPPORT THEM - BY telling YOU to TAKE CARE OF THEM and Bring them home!!!! Take care of them also after you bring them back - and you have poisoned them - you better than do what ever you can to help them.

Do they? NO - in fact they then try to dump them, by not paying medical care. There are more homeless veterans on the streets right now - from this war!!! They are not being provided for. I guess that is another whole thread someone should do. Someone who is a veteran, should do a thread about the experiences of veterans when they get back after very long duties in Iraq.





[edit on 5-12-2008 by questioningall]

Timing is amazing, my Grandson just came to me with a paper I have to sign. This is what it said:

As per Federal Regulations all high schools must provide the Armed Forces Recruiters with the names, addresses and phone numbers of all juniors and seniors at the beginning of the year.

The next paragraph it said if you do not want your name provided to sign the paper by the following date and return. Doesn't make sense if it is a federal regulation why would they send something home to say sign the paper and they won't send your name.

I do not want my grandson on any armed forces list "sorry" so I signed it but I wonder now if it is possible they some how get a list of the ones that sign this and they will be dealt with in time.

I know I have a suspicious mind right now with all that is going on. I never heard of this before has anyone else had this happen to them at this time?

Sorry not meaning to derail thread, what can we do about all this and how can we stop this peacefully. Why do we let a few control millions?

This is a beautiful Planet and we all should be free to see and enjoy everything on it in health and happiness HOW can we as a civilization accomplish this?


[edit on 5-12-2008 by observe50]

The saddest part of this is that it is not new news.

Warning about the pictures at the link below they are not pleasant!

Someone should gather as many pictures rergarding DU birth defects as possible and send them to every politician, law maker, religious leader, news organization, TV and movie pesonality, I wonder what Oprah could do (seriously) If this information was put out there it might reach someone with some clout that could expose this to the masses.

www.xs4all.nl...


EDIT: maybe someone can hyperlink the above URL for me/Thanks

[edit on 5-12-2008 by deepred]

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reply to post by questioningall


No offense to you, but DU shouldn't be associated with nuclear power plants... it is not waste from nuclear power plants, but DU is usually a by-product of enriching natural uranium...

my neighbor just ordered an air raid siren, i dont know what hes doing he is troffed off with sandbags

Mind if I ask you general location and why don't you ask him what's up.

About an hour ago I watched two low flying choppers close together coming from the South make a turn and head toward the Boeing plant. What is unusal is the airport traffic is there so Boeing doesn't use this path. I watched as it seemed the air traffic did not exist when the choppers turned to get in its location but returned when the choppers passed. The choppers about an hour later give or take came by my house flying again low and close together this time heading back South. As I looked out from where they came they must have gone around the airport path so as not to disrupt the traffic pattern.

This is highly unusal, I know my skies here and I know Boeing quite well and how they do things.

Originally posted by observe50
Timing is amazing, my Grandson just came to me with a paper I have to sign. This is what it said:

As per Federal Regulations all high schools must provide the Armed Forces Recruiters with the names, addresses and phone numbers of all juniors and seniors at the beginning of the year.

The next paragraph it said if you do not want your name provided to sign the paper by the following date and return. Doesn't make sense if it is a federal regulation why would they send something home to say sign the paper and they won't send your name.

I do not want my grandson on any armed forces list "sorry" so I signed it but I wonder now if it is possible they some how get a list of the ones that sign this and they will be dealt with in time.

I know I have a suspicious mind right now with all that is going on. I never heard of this before has anyone else had this happen to them at this time?

Sorry not meaning to derail thread, what can we do about all this and how can we stop this peacefully. Why do we let a few control millions?

This is a beautiful Planet and we all should be free to see and enjoy everything on it in health and happiness HOW can we as a civilization accomplish this?


[edit on 5-12-2008 by observe50]

WOW, I had no idea, the military recruiters were given names of all the kids in high school!

One thing too - an article was out how the military is getting a big amount of recruits now. Know why? The economy! Works out for them.
Kids want to make money, so they are going into the military.

Yet, another article says the military is going to be putting chips in all it's forces within 2 years time!

Yep, chips!

I would tell all kids today - Do Not Join the military - they do not take care of their forces. They use them, abuse them, and then spit them out.

Of course posioning them at the same time, so when they do spit them out, they are sick and not taken care of, as promised either.

This subject really strikes a nerve w/ me. I mean to be honest words can't even explain how I feel deep inside about this.

I believe there is a solution to this. If there is a will there is a way. That's what I always say

So many organizations have came up to fight for a cause. Why not do the same here? We need to somehow organize ourselves to inform the populace. I'm willing to voluteer my time to actually attempt to make a difference. I'll do my part here in AZ.

We have health regulations on everything here in the U.S. to keep us safe Why not have the same standards for our munitions and armor that our brothers, sisters, cousins, etc.. are using. They are in danger and I can bet most of them have no idea about what DU can do to them. Not to mention how the rest of the world would suffer because of this exposure.
We can't just let them keep doing this.

Who's down!?

Originally posted by deepred
The saddest part of this is that it is not new news.

Warning about the pictures at the link below they are not pleasant!

Someone should gather as many pictures rergarding DU birth defects as possible and send them to every politician, law maker, religious leader, news organization, TV and movie pesonality, I wonder what Oprah could do (seriously) If this information was put out there it might reach someone with some clout that could expose this to the masses.

www.xs4all.nl...


EDIT: maybe someone can hyperlink the above URL for me/Thanks

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Those pictures are some of the most disturbing pictures I have seen of children!!!

To express my disgust - again at whoever ordered DU to be used in weapons - needs to have a public hanging after being tried for war criminals - but not just war criminals - the crimes are actually CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY! You are right, those pictures need to be shown to the general public, for them to understand what has been happening.

The public needs to understand - not just what the Iraq people are going through, but maybe they would be more sympathetic - if they knew this would be making it's way here eventually. Maybe, then...they would wake up!

Originally posted by deepred
The saddest part of this is that it is not new news.

Warning about the pictures at the link below they are not pleasant!

Someone should gather as many pictures rergarding DU birth defects as possible and send them to every politician, law maker, religious leader, news organization, TV and movie pesonality, I wonder what Oprah could do (seriously) If this information was put out there it might reach someone with some clout that could expose this to the masses.

www.xs4all.nl...


EDIT: maybe someone can hyperlink the above URL for me/Thanks

[edit on 5-12-2008 by deepred]

[edit on 5-12-2008 by deepred]

Those pictures are some of the most disturbing pictures I have seen of children!!!

To express my disgust - again at whoever ordered DU to be used in weapons - needs to have a public hanging after being tried for war criminals - but not just war criminals - the crimes are actually CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY! You are right, those pictures need to be shown to the general public, for them to understand what has been happening.

The public needs to understand - not just what the Iraq people are going through, but maybe they would be more sympathetic - if they knew this would be making it's way here eventually. Maybe, then...they would wake up!

Originally posted by questioningall
WOW, I had no idea, the military recruiters were given names of all the kids in high school!

This has been done for years. Just part of the deal for the school to receive Federal aid.

Originally posted by questioningall
One thing too - an article was out how the military is getting a big amount of recruits now. Know why? The economy! Works out for them.
Kids want to make money, so they are going into the military.

Could be worse careers for a kid to get into.

Originally posted by questioningall
Yet, another article says the military is going to be putting chips in all it's forces within 2 years time!

Yep, chips!

Never heard of that. Sounds like BS.

Originally posted by questioningall
I would tell all kids today - Do Not Join the military - they do not take care of their forces. They use them, abuse them, and then spit them out.

Of course posioning them at the same time, so when they do spit them out, they are sick and not taken care of, as promised either.

So do you know of any other career a kid could start that's any better? The military takes decent care of the troops. The Government, on the other hand, has been screwing them over since the Revolutionary War. I wonder how many of those vets got their "40 acres and a mule"?

Originally posted by isa75
Hearing about this it reminds that Bush put an article in a bill about him not being able to get in trouble for war crimes.

Yes - and so it is imperative for the people to be smart enough - if and or when - the time comes - that "we the people" do not allow the "criminals" to pardon themselves.
What a ridiculous and insane possibility.
It must not be up to him or them - or any bill that was passed by those who are themselves said criminals.
It must be up to the people.

At twice the density of lead, depleted uranium is added to weapons to give them extra force to penetrate targets.

Something about the above immediately made me think about the Rail Guns that we should see entering service over the next few years. I suppose DU would pretty much be used for the same reasons - to keep the mass up for a given sized projectile.

Maybe a reason the powers that be allow this is that cancer has pretty much been cured, so they are not too concerned for them selves - you lot on the other hand, well get sick and die... Or pay us and you might take a lot longer to die, either way...

DISINFORMATION WARNING

DU did not cause gulf war syndrome this has long been known.
GWS was not caused by DU
www.independent.co.uk...
en.wikipedia.org...

DU is not the cause of birth defects in Iraq.
Iraq like many third world countries use chemical and pesticides long banned in the US and UK because of them causing birth defects.
plus Saddam used chemical weapons many times on his own people.
these also cause birth defects.
there is a simple test to tell if DU is the cause of illness it is a urine test for the DU IN THE BODY.
no one has ever done it on these people to PROVE DU caused these birth defects. WHY because it would prove that DU was not the cause. and they know it.

The legislation that has prevented depleted uranium waste from mixing with our scrap metal has been watered down. Its mixed with our scrap metals globally

you can pass all the legislation you want the Chinese will still not stop.
just look at all the contaminated junk they have sent around the world.

And this time the use of DU wasn't limited to anti-tank weapons-as it had largely been in the previous Gulf war-but was extended to the guided missiles, large bunker busters and big 2000-pound bombs used in Iraq's cities.

Give us the mark and mod of these bombs. they don't exist.
more disinformation.

the ANTI DU disinformation campaign is being run by russia and china to get DU weapons banned in the west.
they also use DU weapons but do you hear any one trying to get russia and china to give up there DU weapons.
this is because the run the anti DU movement.
they are getting tired of our DU penetrators blowing holes through the tanks
they build.
it makes it hard to find tank crews and sell tanks.

Apparently, the fine micro dust which has been the consequence since Yugoslavia, the Gulf Wars, Afghanistan, and now Iraq, has been released by a mega amount, and has BONDED permanently with the global atmosphere. We're all breathing in countless thousands of this with every breath! They've found the contamination in the US, in the Antarctic, in the Himalayas. It bonds with our dna, and fires canons of waves at our cells, then it breaks down a bit,

as for DU in the air around the world.
its not from DU weapons. its more disinformation.
this is where the measurable amount of DU around the world come from
it is leftover from old nuclear testing.
Most modern Nuclear weapons utilize depleted uranium as a "tamper" material (see Nuclear weapon design). A tamper which surrounds a fissile core works to reflect neutrons and add inertia to the compression of the plutonium charge. As such, it increases the efficiency of the weapon and reduces the amount of critical mass required. The high flux of very energetic neutrons from the resulting fusion reaction causes the U-238 to fission and adds energy to the yield of the weapon. Such weapons are referred to as fission-fusion-fission weapons after the three consecutive stages of the explosion.

The larger portion of the total explosive yield in this design comes from the final fission stage fueled by DU, producing enormous amounts of radioactive fission products. For example, 77% of the 10.4 megaton yield of the Ivy Mike thermonuclear test in 1952 came from fast fission of the DU tamper. Because DU has no critical mass
, it can be added to thermonuclear bombs in almost unlimited quantity. The 1961 Soviet test of Tsar Bomba produced "only" 50 megatons, over 90% from fusion, because the DU final stage was replaced with lead. Had DU been used, the yield could have been as much as 100 megatons, and would have produced fallout equivalent to one third of the global total at that time.

The use of U-235 in nuclear weapons has has been superseded by plutonium fueled devices. However the production of plutonium itself requires enriched uranium as a feedstock.

74.125.95.132...:rlwzq-7y0g8J:www.amvets-ca.org/pdfs/RECA/Dan%2520Fehey%2520Science%2520or%2520Science%2520Fiction%2520excerpts.pdf +anti+DU+properganda&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&client=firefox-a
www.hawaiireporter.com...
www.mail-archive.com...@listserv.aol.com/msg112535.html
www.fumento.com...
justifiedtype.wordpress.com...

Anyone got any more ANTI DU FACTS for me to show as disinformation.
the russian's have been working these anti nuke propaganda since WW2.
at the same time THEY have been the worst at spreading radiation around the world.
one funny thing you don't see is that russia and china also use DU weapons.
China, following Russia and Pakistan's examples has manufactured and deployed a 125mm DU penetrator for use in its tanks. Three 105mm variants are also reported.

Chinese Type-86 105mm DU
Chinese Type-93 105mm DU
Chinese Type-95 105mm DU

Source: Janes.
Russian Federation
General Export for Defence manufacture 125mm 3BM32 tank ammunition, containing a DU penetrator. They have also marketed a shaped charge high explosive tank round encased in a DU liner for 'enhanced killing power'.

Source: Dan Fahey "Science or Science Fiction? Facts, Myths and Propaganda In the Debate Over Depleted Uranium Weapons"
www.antenna.nl...

(Russia)
3UBM-13 115mm APFSDS (for T-62 tank)
3BM32 125mm APFSDS (for T-72 tank)
3BK21M 125mm HEAT-FS (for T-72 tank)

Further reading on Russian penetrators: www.russianarmor.info...

yet never once do you see anyone say anything about them.
they used DU rounds in there attack on Georgia this year.
but still no one complains.
why because they are running the DU disinformation campaign and they are not going to dis themselves


[edit on 5-12-2008 by ANNED]

this scares the bajeezes outta me... WHAT CAN WE DO?!?!?!?!?!?!

www.voltairenet.org...

In French: but debated already on the link above.
It might affect the whole world.



[edit on 28/10/2008 by RedAmnesia]

reply to post by ANNED


talk about disinformation, did you even read the links you provided?
The Wiki site validates the health hazards associated with DU.

Furthermore, no Russian is telling me what to think about this issue. I am making up my own mind based on all the evidence shown, and I am convinced that its use is wrong and that the major powers that continue to manufacture and use it should be judged as war criminal.

Make that any country using it.

It absolutely disgusts me that our leaders are in fact just cold blooded killers.

[edit on 6-12-2008 by wayno]

reply to post by questioningall

wow..... DU is harmless, I work with it nearly every day, I would have to swim in TONS AND TONS AND TONS of it to exceed the max 5 rems a year that would make it hazardous.
And there is only one use for DU and it is not in bombs in missles the US has only one piece of equipment that uses DU
wow...... that is all I have to say, and the whole trade winds thing? The blew up how many nukes testing them? what about three mile island? We are not all three eye freaks now are we? And DU doesn't catch fire, it's high density causes extreme friction with the armor of the tanks everything else in the tank ignites, but du doesn't.

DID you read it
it only gives DU as one of the possible causes and it gives the counter DU case in the same section.

i read nothing in there validating DU as a cause anymore then the other possible causes listed on the wiki site.

Depleted uranium (DU) was used in tank kinetic energy penetrator and autocannon rounds on a large scale for the first time in the Gulf War. DU munitions often burn when they impact a hard target, producing toxic combustion products.[40] The toxicity, effects, distribution, and exposure involved have all been the subject of a lengthy and complex debate.

Because uranium is a heavy metal and chemical toxicant with nephrotoxic (kidney-damaging),[41] teratogenic(birth defect-causing),[42][43] and potentially carcinogenic[44] properties, uranium exposure is associated with a variety of illnesses.[45] The chemical toxicological hazard posed by uranium dwarfs its radiological hazard because it is only weakly radioactive, and depleted uranium even less so.

Early studies of depleted uranium aerosol exposure assumed that uranium combustion product particles would quickly settle out of the air[46] and thus could not affect populations more than a few kilometers from target areas,[47] and that such particles, if inhaled, would remain undissolved in the lung for a great length of time and thus could be detected in urine.[48] Uranyl ion contamination has been found on and around depleted uranium targets.[49]

DU has recently been recognized as a neurotoxin.[50] In 2005, depleted uranium was shown to be a neurotoxin in rats.[51]

In 2001, a study was published in Military Medicine that found DU in the urine of Gulf War veterans.[52] Another study, published by Health Physics in 2004, also showed DU in the urine of Gulf War veterans.[53] A study of UK veterans who thought they might have been exposed to DU showed aberrations in their white blood cell chromosomes.[54] Mice immune cells exposed to uranium exhibit abnormalities.[55]

A 2001 study of 15,000 February 1991 U.S. Gulf War combat veterans and 15,000 control veterans found that the Gulf War veterans were 1.8 (fathers) to 2.8 (mothers) times more likely to have children with birth defects.[56] After examination of children's medical records two years later, the birth defect rate increased by more than 20%:

"Dr. Kang found that male Gulf War veterans reported having infants with likely birth defects at twice the rate of non-veterans. Furthermore, female Gulf War veterans were almost three times more likely to report children with birth defects than their non-Gulf counterparts. The numbers changed somewhat with medical records verification. However, Dr. Kang and his colleagues concluded that the risk of birth defects in children of deployed male veterans still was about 2.2 times that of non-deployed veterans."[57]

In a study of U.K. troops, "Overall, the risk of any malformation among pregnancies reported by men was 50% higher in Gulf War Veterans (GWV) compared with Non-GWVs."[58]

In 2005, uranium metalworkers at a Bethlehem plant near Buffalo, New York, exposed to frequent occupational uranium inhalation risks, were alleged by non-scientific sources to have the same patterns of symptoms and illness as Gulf War Syndrome victims.[59]
In the Balkans war zone where depleted uranium was also used, an absence of problems is seen by some as evidence of DU munitions' safety. "Independent investigations by the World Health Organization, European Commission, European Parliament, United Nations Environment Programme, United Kingdom Royal Society, and the Health Council of the Netherlands all discounted any association between depleted uranium and leukemia or other medical problems."[40] In Italy, controversy over the health risks associated with the use of DU continues, with a Senate investigation committee due to release its report into 'Balkan Syndrome' by the end of 2007.[60] Since then, there has been a resurgence of interest in the health effects of depleted uranium, especially since it has recently been linked with neurotoxicity.[50]Text

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