Abductees AREN'T insaine....

Ok, I am a pretty happy-go-lucky person, rational, skeptical at times about many things etc....

But when I finally admit to possible Alien abduction, people start suggesting a trip to the doctor or a therapist etc...

Well, to be quite honest, it is really not any part of my every day life. I barley think about it, I WASN'T tramatised by it, etc, etc, etc....

I am a generally stable, average, (fun I think) person....your average Joe (Jill, Joette), lol...

So I thought a thread proving we ARE sain would be a good route to go....

Skeptics, give us some of your definitions on NOT saine, and we will see if that has ANY bearing in these experiences that you canot explain except for suggesting they didn't happen, and all of these otherwise completley NORMAL people have a delusion, 1-10 times in their life, that otherwise has nothing to do with the rest of the personality or daily lives etc......

Ok, bring it on, I guess, I asked for it.....

Those of you out there who wanna give me some support, would like that too...

I am not some wounded soul looking for attention etc, I can take what you wanna dish out, I won't take it personally etc...

I think I really wanna do this as a president for those who HAVE been traumatised, who ARE afraid to talk it out with others BEACAUSE of this exact, UNREASONABLE stigma some people attatch to them...

OK, off the soap box for a bit.

If you think about it statistically, if some people were visited ten times, then the majority of the rest of us would at least once. We have not, so your argument remains total (temporal lobe epilepsy) toss.

Originally posted by redled
If you think about it statistically, if some people were visited ten times, then the majority of the rest of us would at least once. We have not, so your argument remains total (temporal lobe epilepsy) toss.

Maybe that arrogant attitude prevents you being visited?
In reality, truthfully, people who believe in Aliens and believe to have been visited and had contact.
Are no more insane, than Christians that talk to god.
So therefore the Pope would be considered the most seriously mentally ill person on the planet.

reply to post by redled


I would think it would be ignorant to say that ALL people who believe they have been alien abductees are mentally ill, even if they do have TLE, the medical world do not yet know enough about it for your argument to be plausable. The jury on that one is still very much outthere, personally speaking, i think TLE could even be a gift of sorts.

[edit on 4-12-2008 by MCoG1980]

Sane or otherwise, I want to urge everyone to remain civil.

This thread has the potential to bring out the worst, and it must not happen.

Kapiche?

Originally posted by AgentOrangeJuice

Originally posted by redled
If you think about it statistically, if some people were visited ten times, then the majority of the rest of us would at least once. We have not, so your argument remains total (temporal lobe epilepsy) toss.

Maybe that arrogant attitude prevents you being visited?

Then at least arrogance has something going for it, they don't exactly want to invade my bit of the planet, which is the only reason Wackos worry about them.

In reality, truthfully, people who believe in Aliens and believe to have been visited and had contact.

As attested by lunatics.

Are no more insane, than Christians that talk to god.

No, that did not arise 50 years ago, rather over 50,000 by all cultures, the spirituality bit that is.

So therefore the Pope would be considered the most seriously mentally ill person on the planet.

Well he's a former Nazi, and apologises for Paedos in his structure, so yeah, he's got to be pretty *SNIP*up.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by NGC2736]

ok, you are just making typical blanket stsment like whacko and lunatic....

HOW are they whacko or loonie is what I am asking???

besides telling the truth about an unexplainable experence.......HOW are they abnormal in your eyes....

What BEHAVIORS do they display that draws you to this conclusion?

THIS is the discussion I was asking for, not how many different words can you come up with that have the same meaning as "loonie", quite a rude, predjudiced word by the way....

So, lets talk repetitive behavior and the such.....ARE there any???? hmmmmmmm.....

reply to post by mellisamouse


Good and honest post. I think you need to refer back to where I qualified with 'Temporal Lobe Epilepsy.' These people 'experience' things, sh1 their pants and go mad about it. Actually, one of the most successful people of all time, JC, same century what you're thinking, but Julius Caesar suffered from it. I think most 'experiencers' suffer from that or other neurological differences.

reply to post by mellisamouse


sane = belife in what is real.
insane = belife that fantasy is real.

roswell / dulce / ratcliffe / alien abduction / god / etc = fantasy
ufo = natural / human events not currently explainable by you
moon landing / gov black op projects = real

Abductees aren't: INANE

There's no doubt that some people do suffer from some amount of trauma from either having been abducted or just believing they had. Hypnosis may or may not bring out the truth. Maybe even a polygraph might be useful as well. Although, I wonder how many delusional people pass polygraphs? That would be an interesting show of statistics.

I've seen and recalled many questionable events that go way beyond abductions. Some of them would even get labeled as the Truman show syndrome.

When I was in outpatient therapy (oops) there was a few people there packing with badges. I even recall seeing Drew Peterson outside.

Was it all BS and delusions? Unless you were there, you don't really know.

And yeah, some of us aren't "all there" when it comes to memories of these events. It's all fun and games for some of you that think your own world is just how you perceive it. Many may not even realize they or their relatives have at one time or another been abducted and or manipulated(by unknowns)

Is it really just for your own entertainment to poke fun at others on conspiracy sites who are looking for answers? It sure beats wearing signs that the end is coming....in 2012.

There are threads on mind control experiments such as Mkultra. I suppose to some this sounds more realistic and closer to home. But just as traumatizing for the lab rat or abductee.

My therapist has an attitude when I try to discuss these past events. As if, I'm making him look bad in their idea of psychotherapy by changing the subject instead of being more "present" I guess that's fine for awhile, but not for the rest of my life. Besides, he's a christian counselor and he's fine with quoting scripture which I find really annoying.

With the change in economics, I find it really hard to keep seeing this guy every month. Besides, I feel like I'm in group therapy here anyway for the price of the internet with all of you wonderfully sane people.

Originally posted by optyk phyba
reply to post by mellisamouse

 

sane = belife in what is real.
insane = belife that fantasy is real.

roswell / dulce / ratcliffe / alien abduction / god / etc = fantasy
ufo = natural / human events not currently explainable by you
moon landing / gov black op projects = real

So I am ust supposed to not believe that when I was missing in -40 weather, and half the frigging town was in a panic looking for me, and my footprints in the snow ended by a fence apparently, and then I showed up on the other side of town, knocked on someone door and told them to call the police to pick me up because I thought I was lost for maby 10 minutes, and was STARTING....STARTING to get cold, NOT cold YET, but missing long enough for them to be searching and trying to figure out what happened.

It was the POLICE that told me wher my foot prints ended, and where they started again etc... NOT me, I was clueless about that stuff until THEY told, ME, not the other way around.......I got back to the house and had 10 people yelling at me and each other trying to figure out what happened etc.........

yeah, all that time in -40 weather, yet not a chill, not a sniffle....yeah, me and the police and all the peole that were looking for me were sharing a group delusion I guess.

I will just pretend that was a fantasy that never happened.....I better go tell them to burn those police reports too, they don't want any imaginary papers at their station.

reply to post by mellisamouse


thats not an alien abduction and you are not the only person to have suffered a fugal episode.

fugue - A pathological amnesiac condition during which one is apparently conscious of one's actions but has no recollection of them after returning to a normal state.

Originally posted by optyk phyba
reply to post by mellisamouse

 

thats not an alien abduction and you are not the only person to have suffered a fugal episode.

fugue - A pathological amnesiac condition during which one is apparently conscious of one's actions but has no recollection of them after returning to a normal state.

So do peoples foot steps just end, IN THE SNOW, in one spot, by a field, and then end up halfway across town, do these people suddenly float wayyyy down the road so their footsteps are untraceable for an apparent distance? Do the police make such a big deal about it that THEY are the ones thinking it was an abduction of some kind??? The police saw where my footsteps ended, and where thye suddenly "appeared" again, NOT me.

Do these people go missing in -40 weather, yet don't even catch a chill????

Now that sounds irrational to me.



[edit on 4-12-2008 by mellisamouse]

reply to post by mellisamouse


well some proof would be nice, scan up some police reports about that and then we'll judge your insanity level.

i think it's a good point to make comparing the pope to abductees. we really only need to look at the outcomes to come to a conclusion.

pope = super rich
abductees = attention hounds

both are getting what they want out of their relationship with the supernatural. both seem completely normal. if however, you believed (were) you were abducted by aliens and you then went and sold your house and left your wife and started some sort of society based on your newfound knowledge that would present a different situation wouldn't it?

Originally posted by Mozzy
reply to post by mellisamouse

 

pope = super rich
abductees = attention hounds

wow, I am not an attention hound....geeze. I have barley talked about it my entire life. Just though this would be a good place to actually finally talk about it, but I can see why everyone else seems to keep quiet......relentless negative opposition, that is just as irrational and unprovable as the peope they are opposing....

NOT to say that YES, maybe some people DO make it up....some people mabey really ARE attention hounds.......this is just about as mute as religion discussions.

Now I kinda want some damn proof too, but I just don't have any of my own to offer.... I just know I am a completely sain, normal, reasonable person.....

You know,
I've never been abducted so I don't have any answers for her but come on guys. She's trying to talk about this and you're treating her pretty poorly. If that's the way you want to get your jollys then go kick some puppies or something.
This is supposed to be a discussion forum not a mosh pit.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by badgerprints]

Thanks man.

I AM trying to have a casual rational convo, that is it.

i'm sorry if i sounded relentless. my examples were based on the extreme situations. which were provided for me by the way.

but we ARE talking about the insanity level of abductees. which i don't need to point out is lacking in a certain proof department as you've so cleverly proven.

i'm sorry again, i've totally forgotten what i was going to say. but i'm sure that it was relevant to the discussion.

You Are WRONG!

Not saying people have not yet or at some time been abducted. Hey I have a little alien story of my own. BUT when you try to blanket statement a "group" of people, such as "Abductees aren't insane", you create a critical flaw in logic. All I have to do is find ONE insane person that claims to be an abductee to prove you wrong.

YOU are WRONG!


Carry on.

i said i was sorry.