Oprah Winfrey's Crusade To Reshape Religion In America

reply to post by DrumsRfun


DrumsRfun:


I don't follow Oprah. After I learned of her New World Order Church she is a part of and the fact that she doesn't believe that Christ is the one true Son of The Living Lord and the ONLY way to the Father, well I just can't watch her anymore.

Like I can't watch Ellen because she is gay.

Totally goes against my faith.


Peace,
Grandma

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

Thank you for a sober response...I appreciate it!

I am afraid I was being extremely sarcastic.
Religion is the last place anyone should look for spirituality.
In fact looking for it pretty much precludes one from finding it.

reply to post by schrodingers dog


And not for nothing but there's already an Oprah "spiritual" thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Edit: Which by the way was started by the same member. Someone doesn't heart Oprah.




[edit on 12/4/2008 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by MrVertigo


Shes not bad but in my eyes,... people who want and need money when they are that rich bothers me.I think she has an ego bigger then me.Its reason to have a ?????Whats the egotistical motive after you have that much money??I might be wrong but really...I think the ego is kicking in and i see the motive...love me and keep loving me whether its real or not.
Just make me feel good and keep it going....if I had that much money I would never talk to any of you people again cuz I would be in some jungle with a tribe of real people.She is a product of the american dream...and as someone here has as a signature...you have got to be asleep to believe the american dream.
Sorry to say but I do invite oprah to cordially come and apply some generous suction to a certain region.
As I said in my first post on this topic...she is just another well meaning idiot.

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Again...thank you for the sober thought!!

Your are the one who said she was bad comment, not me. And no, it was not a joke.

Originally posted by MrVertigo

Originally posted by gordonwest
reply to post by MrVertigo

 

but I don't understand why you seem to think she's some huge force of evil in the world

I never said that she is a huge force of evil in the world. Maybe she is a female-antichrist for America? Noo...not the world.

And I never said you did ("seem to think" being the key words here)

But you obviously dislike her enough to try to turn people's opinions against her.

Why?

Why do you think she is so bad?

(I'm assuming the "female-antichrist for america" was a joke.
It was a joke right?)

reply to post by Grandma



Very Christian of you. Even Christ hung out with sinners.

reply to post by Layla


Layla:

I am not judging Oprah or Ellen. It's just I do not watch what I know my faith is telling me not too. It's as simple as that.


Peace,
Grandma

reply to post by Grandma

Like I can't watch Ellen because she is gay.

Totally goes against my faith.

Umm...Didn't God 'write' those 10 or more so commandments? And one of those comandments was: Love thy neighbour as thyself.

So! If Grandma does NOT like Lesbians, then Grandma does NOT and IS "goes against my faith".

reply to post by Grandma

I am not judging Oprah or Ellen.

If you are NOT "judging" Ellen, then why did YOU call her gay?

edited to delete, because it[s not even worth the debate.




[edit on 12/4/2008 by Layla]

Originally posted by Grandma
reply to post by Layla

 

I am not judging Oprah or Ellen.

Oh really?

I remember back when I was stupid and wouldn't watch Ellen because she was gay. Then one day I actually WATCHED her show and let go of all the crap I had heard from folks such as yourself, and discovered she is absolutely DELIGHTFUL! She is funny, gracious, very generous, doesn't take herself too seriously, doesn't preach about this or that and I have NEVER heard her say anything detrimental about ANYONE.

Makes my day when I can get home from work early enough to watch her.
If I am in a bad mood, by the end of her show I am totally cheered up.

What a shame that you are so tied up in your religious beliefs that you won't watch her because she's gay. Who cares if she's gay? I sure don't.
Her lifestyle is between her and God. I am a Christian and believe that God judges the heart of a person. And, from what I have seen of Ellen, she has a beautiful heart.

"Oh, she's a bad person because she's gay." " Oh, he's a bad person because he doesn't believe as I do." yada, yada, yada. It's Christians like you that give the rest of us a bad name.

Christ said love God and love each other. I don't recall Him ever saying "love others, except if they're gay."

Originally posted by MandM
Over the past few years Oprah Winfrey has gone from being just a talk show host to being one of the world's most influential spiritual leaders. According to Forbes, Oprah is worth 1.4 billion dollars, but these days she seems much more interested in spiritual matters than in building her empire.

In fact, Oprah has become such a spiritual icon in America that USAToday has called her "a spiritual leader for the new millennium, a moral voice of authority for the nation."

In an unscientific poll conducted on Beliefnet.com, 33% of the 6,600 respondents said that Oprah has had "a more profound impact" on their spiritual lives than their pastors or priests.

Oprah's massive television audience of ten million viewers each day and her magazine readership of over 2.7 million each month gives Oprah a tremendous platform with which to influence American culture.

Without a doubt, Oprah Winfrey is one of the most highly regarded and listened to celebrities in the world:

futurestorm.blogspot.com...

The title to this thread is misleading. Where are your points about HOW she's "reshaping" religion?

reply to post by tigermoff


One world religion?One world philosphy?NWO+Oprah?Free media?Santa Claus:Tooth FairyEaster bunnyGo figure!!

Oprah is okay for what she is.

That to me is a TV host who has decided to delve into new age healing and therapies on her show.

I don't get the spiritual leader thingy vibe from her at all.

She's still learning from the professionals she has on the show just like her audience and viewers.

Most of Oprahs lightbulb moments, as she calls them, have come from her guests. Not from some mystical place inside of herself.
She seems to me to just re-iterate what her guests say.
Nothing profound as far as I can tell.

Her guests come on to promote books, dvds, seminars etc and in this way she gets their stuff into the public eye.
But the new age movement was a multi billion dollar business before Oprah.

And at the end of the day, Oprah reads from an autocue for a lot of the show.
So I guess her writers have to get a lot of the credit for a lot of what comes out of her mouth.

But having said that, I still think she's a great TV host who brings a lot of subjects to the mainstream during daytime TV that they wouldn't normally have time or access to and donates a lot time and money to charities.
So she's okay as far as I'm concerned.

But the spiritual leader bit....please, that's WAY over the top. IMO

[edit on 5-12-2008 by Flighty]

I don't really follow or care about Oprah and have no idea what she actually stands for. But I recognize character assassination when I see it.

Where are the good points in why what she is doing being wrong? All I see is she's a celeb, she must be evil. She has money, she must be evil. She talks about religion, she must be evil. She is doing good things for people, she must be compensating for something. None of these things are good points.

The only person I seen make an actual point was Grandma. I think I'll reply to that in another post.

Originally posted by Grandma
From what I heard, Oprah's version of her bible is ALL PATHS LEAD TO GOD. It doesn't matter how you get there.........everyone will get there. She doesn't see that Jesus is the Son of God and that he alone is the way to the Father. She doesn't believe in the atonement of the blood of Christ.

Now, that is some pretty dangerous ground there. She must have a different bible then I do. Mine doesn't say what here does.

Peace,
Grandma

I also believe all paths eventually lead to God. I believe there is a place in the bible that says something along the lines of all those who are of the spirit of God will return. The question is what it takes before the person wakes up to the truth. When you look at the word "Revelations", it means an awakening. The events of Revelations are allowed to happen for the purpose of waking up the people to the truth. It is the lifting of the veil that has hide the truth from people.

But just because all paths eventually lead to God, that doesn't mean that the person will not eventually have to walk the path of Jesus. It's that a person no matter how bad they have gotten themselves into trouble can always choose to change and walk that path. But we will all have to learn these lessons in our own way, and for that reason we all walk our own path, but eventually through lesson it will lead to God. What makes our paths unique is the time we spend before walking the right path.

If you go to check your mailbox. Eventually you are going to have to walk straight to that mailbox, the most efficient way is to do that from the start. However, if you circle around front porch pole a few times before going, you will still get to the mailbox eventually.

Jesus is the Son of God, or God in the flesh but he is not and has not been the only one. You yourself are of God, the difference in you and Jesus is the amount of understanding and how much of God that is able to shine through. Jesus realized and understood this connection and things well beyond any of us, and showed us the way. There is no reason to put such limitation on God that he would only have 1 instance of himself and show up for only a very small % of the world population. Jesus says he has other flocks, and when he tends to those flocks he does so in their own culture. You know of God as Jesus because that is the image you are comfortable with. Remember, it is beyond our limited comprehension to truly see all of god.

When you look at other religions, instead of focusing on images they use, look at their understandings. Find common ground in understanding, rather than finding cultural differences in how we perceive god, and how we get his lessons.

Is the image and idol of Jesus the most important thing? Or are the teachings and understandings he suffered to bring you? If it's the idol of Jesus and such, then why don't pictures of Jesus portray him as he is described?

As I said, I do not follow Oprah or know much about her. She could have evil intentions, I do not know. Bait and switch is a common practice and something I keep an eye out for. But I find nothing entirely wrong with what she has said.

reply to post by badmedia


Ah, thank you badmedia, for pointing out grandma's post which almost validifies the title of this thread.

I'd still like to know which religions she's "reshaping" or should the title be that she's creating her own religion.

reply to post by Grandma


I really hope that the Oprah's New World Order Church wont takeoff, because of...Look at the amount of churches America does have ALREADY. There is even a place-area is Texas could the biblebelt. ... 'Only In America'.