Is UFO hunters a joke?

In some ways, I prefer the MUFON show. UFO Hunters seems disorganized to me, and way too eager to push an ET Hypothesis. I'm also not thrilled with the experimental work they do to try and recreate sounds, sights, etc., associated with sightings.

If I tie a candle to a balloon and it doesn't look like what was on the video, that means either: 1) it wasn't a candle and balloon, 2) it wasn't the right kind of candle and balloon, 3) it was something else. It doesn't mean it was aliens or anything paranormal. It just means we don't know. Which basically brings us back to where we started. Of course, the opposite is also true. Just because somebody is able to recreate something that looks like it could be mistaken for a UFO, doesn't mean that's what it really was.

In all cases without positive proof, "unidentified" always wins, and "coulda been" always loses.

UFO shows are a tough sell. Obviously, if anybody was able to find anything definitive about them it would be on CNN. So there's no real surprise to be had. No drama.

Originally posted by NavalFC
heh dont even get me started on ghost hunters. After reading this post you will never ever need to watch an episode of ghost hunters again

your typical ghost hunters episode [...]

You forgot:
"Hey, check out this EVP."
"Mmmmoooff seeeennn mmm fffmmm nnnn."
"Sounds like a woman's voice, saying, 'I am a ghost talking to you."
"That checks out with the story of the woman dying."
"So we have good confirmation."

???????????????

[edit on 5-12-2008 by Nohup]

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Your wife should not laugh at anyone with an open mind. Yes UFO hunters leaves much to be desired. What I find very interesting is the huge number of "UFO type" programs at this time. Good show or not. I think everything is proceeding according to plan...

Originally posted by arbiture
I think everything is proceeding according to plan...

Ah, yes, the plan. In another 50 years, the sheeple will be ready to hear the truth about their alien overlords and the Illuminati NWO from Nibiru and how they assassinated JFK to keep him from establishing a NASA moon base at the site of the abandoned alien base.

Considering that these people are using the best that they can or are 'allowed' to offer, the show as if seems to be controlled like an old "Weekly reader" format. (Not meant to insult Weekly Reader)

Any alleged debunking can also be planned disinformation that they've had many years of experience to practice doing.

Remote Viewing this probably suggests something more than we're allowed to know at this point. (as if)

I think these guys may either get paid off to make these weak shows, or they haven't any other choice. The UFO magazine isn't even available in my area anymore.

Most of their articles have been uneventful anyway, unless you happen to be psychic.

I would sooner chalk it all up to controlled disinformation. Disclosure may actually be encrypted in other ways as laughable as was described in Men in Black with tabloids and leaks through science fiction shows also suggested as an excuse and a way to blame the alleged mentally ill and highly impressionable.

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remote viewing is BS as well.

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That all depends on what you know about it's true evolution and agenda. There does seem to be a very strong suggestion of deception with it that involves mind control and advanced technology using implants etc. Nazis, Mkultra and mind control experiments have been suggested.

As for remote viewers; What about Joe McMoneagle? can you debunk his work? Supposedly, he has a hit accurracy rate of 50%

I've been through way too much to say it's ALL B.S. But I have grown more and more skeptical as to whose agenda it really is.

Since you work for the navy, have you ever heard of the USNAF ? Supposedly, an elite and secret part of the Military.

I have recalled seeing one military green early model 70's ? vehicle with this on it's door after an evening MRI controlled by what appeared to be an Air Force officer in a light blue uniform. And since, I have only heard one other person mention USNAF: Bob Lazar in reference to area 51

I suppose you'll say he's a fraud too?

Thanks and I have no problem with the suggestion of BS directly involving the military with disinformation techniques. (that's what they do)

This show is terrible...



Your average college student, reguardless of alchohal content, would have done a better job debunking then the people on this show...



I saw the episode where the video was taken, was pretty much obviously Chiniese Lanterns...


And the entire 60 min show... they DO NOT EVENT THINK about that...


They were using grade-school level thinking...


Accepting a conclusion, and then working to support it... Kinda like the medical tests... but thats anonther story, for a diffrent post...



Then, the next show started, and the person they were interviewing, was full of BS... I do not know how they could believe a word that guy said...
He could not even keep a straight face...



This show, is not something that is going to change peoples minds...
Infact...

To me, it was almost like a bad comedy...


It seemed like maybe they were just killing time, and MAYBE at the END, they would debunk it in about 1 min...

Instead, they waste time, doing nonsense... do one half-assed effort experiment, and call it a night...






Why is it, that no Credible people are ever involed with these types of shows...

I'm sorry to hear that so many of you don't like the shows. Ghost Hunters reminds me of the Ghostbusters, and its a pretty funny show, Ghostbusters was a really funny movie. As for, UFO Hunters, The Roswell show kind of blew my mind. I have never heard of a 2nd crash at Roswell, and if supposedly we shot down alien craft, that to me would be the reason for a coverup. Yes, I like using the conclusion that a ufo with certain characteristics, is most likely ET. You guys give yourselves way too much credit. I've seen better case work on the show than on here. Yes I have seen some nice stuff on ATS, but name calling UFO Hunters and proclaiming who knows what in the field of UFOs is just ridiculously egotistical. Pretty much everyone's post on here sounds like that you're too busy listening to your own voice than listening to the show. They have a lot of good episodes, I mean seriously how do you investigate a ufo sighting? I think they do a pretty good job, but I guess you guys can do better, lol.

I'm 50-50 on the show myself, but to call it a rip-off of Sci-Fi's "Ghost Hunters" shows that you don't know really know anything about it.

It's actually a spin-off from "UFO Files" that was on The History Channel long before "Ghost Hunters" ever existed.

It would be a better show if:

1.) The UFO Magazine guy could stop wearing the same hat to plug the magazine in every single episode. I find that the most annoying part of the show. I look away anytime he's on-screen.
2.) The UFO Magazine guy needs to stop talking over the people they interview and let them give their story and stop trying to influence them. He's actually cut down on this some this season, but still does it
3.) The UFO Magazine guy needs to stop taking any bit of evidence as real evidence before actually testing it. Another thing he cut down on, but still does
4.) The NASA guy is very biased even though he says he's not. He goes into every story wanting to debunk it. Anytime there's evidence that starts leaning more towards the unknown side, he gets annoyed and starts doing anything he can to debunk it, but he's not biased at all
5.) The NASA guy always likes to point out that he used to work there as if that's all the evidence he needs to prove aliens don't exist.

The guy with the curly hair is the only one who doesn't get on my nerves. He's not out to prove or disprove anything. Just collect any evidence, test it and see where it goes from there.

About the whole acetate issue. Neither guy said for a fact that's what they held back then they said it felt the most similar, not that it was in fact the same thing. They put out different materials and asked the men to feel each one and say which one felt similar. You forgot to mention that the material they did pick out wasn't around until 6 years after Roswell I believe. You picked out everything about the show that you hated, but ignored all the valid points they made.

Now Sci-Fi's "UFO Hunters" is a show I don't care for at all. I can't remember their names, but the main man and woman on there seem to only care about being on camera more than anything else. They're both very full of themselves.

/end rant

[edit on 27-12-2008 by nightmare_david]

[edit on 27-12-2008 by nightmare_david]

Originally posted by NavalFC
heh dont even get me started on ghost hunters. After reading this post you will never ever need to watch an episode of ghost hunters again


your typical ghost hunters episode


Chick: Hey we got a case in X location!

Jason and grant: ok were on it!



Start walking around..

WHOA! I saw a shadow! though conveniently the tv camera never picks it up!

My meter just went up by .5! I think we got something



lets try provoking!

Hey is there anyone here? Hey/.. hey come out and show us, what do you have eh? Showus whatcya got!



Well time to wrap it up

Haha! Yeah, I've seen stuff like that a few times too. It's no easy sell though. There's a company in Branson working on a show with Dr. Gary Hawkins, who claims he can actually CATCH a ghost! The show is called 'The Ghost Catcher' but it hasn't been picked up yet. It should be interesting.

Originally posted by game over man
I'm sorry to hear that so many of you don't like the shows. Ghost Hunters reminds me of the Ghostbusters, and its a pretty funny show, Ghostbusters was a really funny movie. As for, UFO Hunters, The Roswell show kind of blew my mind. I have never heard of a 2nd crash at Roswell, and if supposedly we shot down alien craft, that to me would be the reason for a coverup. Yes, I like using the conclusion that a ufo with certain characteristics, is most likely ET. You guys give yourselves way too much credit. I've seen better case work on the show than on here. Yes I have seen some nice stuff on ATS, but name calling UFO Hunters and proclaiming who knows what in the field of UFOs is just ridiculously egotistical. Pretty much everyone's post on here sounds like that you're too busy listening to your own voice than listening to the show. They have a lot of good episodes, I mean seriously how do you investigate a ufo sighting? I think they do a pretty good job, but I guess you guys can do better, lol.

I agree. Everybody seems disappointed and almost...angry? I don't know, I mean these guys are traveling around, studying some very famous cases and at least...at the very least they're doing some scientific research. Remember, they're doing research on something they can't see, smell, hear or touch, so for me, it's a start. They're doing the best they can with what they have. Hell, I respect the fact that they even TRIED to do a show like this. Could you imagine even trying to sell this show to a studio exec??

"Sir, we have a new show based on proving the existence of UFO's."

"Hmmm....well I don't know. Do you have any eviden-?"

"No...we have nothing. No physical evidence. Just hearsay, fuzzy pictures, bad video and extremely questionable eyewitnesses".

"Ooooo...I like it. It's a go".

Ghost hunting and UFO hunting are two totally different ball games. Ghosts are earth-bound and apparently ET's are not. That's a BIG difference. ANYBODY can ghosthunt at the local cemetery or creepy old house. But try UFO hunting with some friends sometime. Not the same.

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A show that compromises anyone in power or belief system is not going to get any airtime. Turn off your televisions.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
UFO Hunters is a cheap ripoff of the Ghost Hunters show.
Ghost Hunters is actually a good hit. So they are trying it
with UFOs. The show is lousy and an insult - IMHO.

No. UFO hunters is a much more expensive production than Ghost hunters. It's not even close. What a ridiculous statement.

I don't care about UFO's or anything, but seeing a show fluff up the subject matter with BS irritates me. I just saw the end of one episode where they tried to disprove that the UFO in the picture was a hub cab that was 9in. wide and 12ft. off the ground. They used 3D technology to build a 20ft. model that was 700ft. off the ground and overlayed it on the picture and they looked the same. Too bad they didn't even bother to show what it would have looked like if they used the 9in. wide and 12ft. off the ground measurements.

I heard Bill Birnes discuss this on one of the podcasts hosted at theblackvault.com (Can't remember which one.). He says he realizes that it is sometimes light on investigation but that since it is on History Channel they also try to show the history of some sightings as opposed to just investigating cases. Hence all the old cases and even some known hoaxes like Maury Island.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
UFO Hunters is a cheap ripoff of the Ghost Hunters show.
Ghost Hunters is actually a good hit. So they are trying it
with UFOs. The show is lousy and an insult - IMHO.

Have to agree when I first saw it the only thing I could think was, "You have got to be kidding me, these guys aren't serious are they?"

The only reason I watched it was to see what events I wasn't aware of.

The only cool thing I've seen on it was when they were able to replicate the NASA tether incident in a lab and were able to show they could cause an object to appear to be going behind another object when in fact it was in front of the object. They also were able to make the object appear as if it was a circular pulsating UFO with the divit in the side pretty much identical to the NASA footage of the tether with that large "UFO" going behind the tether.

Other than that I never saw anything else that was all that impressive.

Personally, I don't watch any TV shows like that...
in fact, I rarely turn the tube on. I know it's all
about entertainment, that's the key here.

I have been known to watch documentries such
as 'Wayne's World' and 'The Parallax View', but
that's it!

The UFO Hunters and Ghost Hunters series is entertainment,
they look for ratings, not crashed craft or spooks.

That flickering box in the corner is for your amusement
not a guarentee of facts.

I think the problem with the show is the star "ole blinky" too much $$$ and credit for something is in way over his head...........
NOT A ONE LINER!!!!!!
yes a joke of a show...........

Just a note I wanted to post the other day about the UFO Hunters show with the Socorro sighting.

In what I see as another example of the way they "edit" the cases, they reviewed the Zamora sighting without mentioning the occupants. When Zamora approached, he reported seeing two small human-looking figures fiddling around underneath the thing. He apparently startled them, which led to the thing taking off.

Yeah, it's "inconvenient" that Zamora saw these people (or whatever). But if you're reviewing the case, you just can't toss that kind of thing aside. Just like in other cases where a person might experience a psychic or time shift event. That stuff is difficult to explain. It throws a monkey wrench in any easy explanation like, "aliens from space who are kind of like us."

In reviewing any case, there are just a couple of things you shouldn't do. Add information that might not be pertinent, or ignore aspects of the case because they're odd or baffling. Pretty simple. But UFO Hunters consistently does both. Bleh.