The two villages where mothers killed EVERY baby born a boy for ten years

Originally posted by megabyte
to tell you the truth - eliminate ALL substances that people can become addicted to and that would solve this issue too

I agree with the sentiment Megabyte, but not the means. It is virtually impossible to eliminate all addictive substances. There are too many to name and people can be quite resourceful. Look at the disaster that was prohibition. It had opposite the intended effect and crime flourished as a result.

If you want to move to reduce drug related violence, legalization is a far surer means. It also has the added benefit of denying profit to both illicit dealers and those who seek to benefit from the so called War on Drugs. ie. CIA/Illuminati etc.

In the animal kingdom the females are very selective about the males that they breed with. They all want the Alpha Male....the one with the best DNA for their offspring, the best providers and the best leadership values.

It is the human female that will breed with any male that will show them a good time! They don't think about what kind of children they will have with these men. They don't think about how nurturing or caring these men would be as fathers.

That is the problem.

reply to post by Shystargazer


You were on the right track but you didn't follow it far enough.

Women are instinctively predisposed to be attracted to "macho" men; warriors, fighters, hunters, providers. The type of guy who *might* have a higher testosterone level. Thus their male children are more likely to be macho fighters. It's called genetics. They've created their own problem. What they could have done is start choosing the geeky, wimpy little guys to mate with and then their sons wouldn't be such warmongers.

In other words, the meek should inherit the village, and its women.


Okay, I know it's not funny that they've killed all these children, but there are children all over the world who die every day. Getting all righteously angry about this won't change any of it.

I guess what I'm saying is, the generations of women of that village were to blame for the warring men because they kept choosing the "macho" men to mate with; the men weren't at fault for being who they were/are.

And PS I've had all my parts removed, no more hormones, no PMS, and I'm quite happy about it, thank you. Count me as a one percenter I guess.

I am smelling a rat. Where does this story come from? Why would these women confess this crime to a total stranger? If the old warriors are out killing each other it usually means a shortage of males, not an incentive to kill more. These mountain tribes have been feuding since forever, why would they bother to change now?

What happens when all these girls come into reproductive age with no males their own age? The old warrior guys clean up, that's what. Then the surviving old warriors with their now fully invigorated spears team up with the young hotties to get rid of the ol' crones. The more I think about it, the more I like it.

Originally posted by Orwells Ghost

Originally posted by megabyte
to tell you the truth - eliminate ALL substances that people can become addicted to and that would solve this issue too

I agree with the sentiment Megabyte, but not the means. It is virtually impossible to eliminate all addictive substances. There are too many to name and people can be quite resourceful. Look at the disaster that was prohibition. It had opposite the intended effect and crime flourished as a result.

If you want to move to reduce drug related violence, legalization is a far surer means. It also has the added benefit of denying profit to both illicit dealers and those who seek to benefit from the so called War on Drugs. ie. CIA/Illuminati etc.

iagree and at the same time tinker with out genetic code so we no longer have the genes to become dependent on drugs?

some way off yet but that would be a good thing

Originally posted by Shystargazer
In the animal kingdom the females are very selective about the males that they breed with. They all want the Alpha Male....the one with the best DNA for their offspring, the best providers and the best leadership values.

It is the human female that will breed with any male that will show them a good time! They don't think about what kind of children they will have with these men. They don't think about how nurturing or caring these men would be as fathers.

That is the problem.

and seperating fun from procreation further complicates matters [like wide use of contraception for example]

I am not against sex for fun because it IS fun - but I am against people dishonestly dealing with each other to get sex - such as cheating on a spouse who is not told it is an open marriage, or date rape, or telling lies that this is the start of love but in fact just wanting to get off.

in the end - for best stability of bringing up children stable and honest pair bonds have to be made and maintained.

Originally posted by Heike
reply to post by Shystargazer

 

You were on the right track but you didn't follow it far enough.

Women are instinctively predisposed to be attracted to "macho" men; warriors, fighters, hunters, providers. The type of guy who *might* have a higher testosterone level. Thus their male children are more likely to be macho fighters. It's called genetics. They've created their own problem. What they could have done is start choosing the geeky, wimpy little guys to mate with and then their sons wouldn't be such warmongers.

In other words, the meek should inherit the village, and its women.

hmmm? i must have done the wrong thing then - i look for a male who can do all the housework for me - sod the fighter and the macho man who wants ME to serve HIM

lol

Originally posted by Heike
reply to post by Shystargazer

 

Okay, I know it's not funny that they've killed all these children, but there are children all over the world who die every day. Getting all righteously angry about this won't change any of it.

I guess what I'm saying is, the generations of women of that village were to blame for the warring men because they kept choosing the "macho" men to mate with; the men weren't at fault for being who they were/are.

right and of course there were no rapes or forced marriages by these macho guys even if a girl in that tribe did want to choose a guy who had brians and not just brawn - would you care to find proof that there were NO rapes ?

Originally posted by Shystargazer
In the animal kingdom the females are very selective about the males that they breed with. They all want the Alpha Male....the one with the best DNA for their offspring, the best providers and the best leadership values.

It is the human female that will breed with any male that will show them a good time! They don't think about what kind of children they will have with these men. They don't think about how nurturing or caring these men would be as fathers.

That is the problem.

And the guys who are not alphas, not providers and who can't show the girls a good time miss out?

Gee, sucks to be you then.

Originally posted by starviego
I am smelling a rat. Where does this story come from? Why would these women confess this crime to a total stranger? If the old warriors are out killing each other it usually means a shortage of males, not an incentive to kill more. These mountain tribes have been feuding since forever, why would they bother to change now?

I agree.
Whoever believes this newspaper-selling nonsense has no understanding of the strength of the maternal bond and what mothers will go through to protect their children.

The concept of killing all the males so that later men won't kill other men is pretty ludicrous.

reply to post by Heike


I agree with you 100%.

Have you noticed that not much is said about India and China killing most of the girl babies either thru abortion or murder? China has 2 million men that can't find wives. The 2 million man army of the East in the Book ofRevelation won't want your land or your money....they will be looking for women!

Originally posted by Kailassa

Originally posted by starviego
I am smelling a rat. Where does this story come from? Why would these women confess this crime to a total stranger? If the old warriors are out killing each other it usually means a shortage of males, not an incentive to kill more. These mountain tribes have been feuding since forever, why would they bother to change now?

I agree.
Whoever believes this newspaper-selling nonsense has no understanding of the strength of the maternal bond and what mothers will go through to protect their children.

The concept of killing all the males so that later men won't kill other men is pretty ludicrous.

I had the same thought, there was just so much inanity to address though.

Tinker with the genetic code to end addiction. What are we, the Nephilim now?

Originally posted by Shystargazer
reply to post by Heike

 

I agree with you 100%.

Have you noticed that not much is said about India and China killing most of the girl babies either thru abortion or murder? China has 2 million men that can't find wives. The 2 million man army of the East in the Book ofRevelation won't want your land or your money....they will be looking for women!

Uh, if you had read the whole thread, you'd have noticed the large article I posted documenting this very thing.

Also, the true number is 111 million chinese men cannot find wives - more than the entire population of Canada.

Originally posted by megabyte

Originally posted by Orwells Ghost

Originally posted by megabyte


iagree and at the same time tinker with out genetic code so we no longer have the genes to become dependent on drugs?

some way off yet but that would be a good thing

Think llong and hard about what you just said. Tinkering withgenetic code? No, cause once you start down that route you an change just about everything. "Hey, let's find a way to make people more docile o that none of them think for themseles while we take away the gene that makes them addicted to stuff. While we are at it we can take all testosterone away so that all mean are pussies and we can control them even more."

That is the future we would have if something like this ever happened, cause you know they won't stop at just what is "Good" for you.

Originally posted by megabyte
right and of course there were no rapes or forced marriages by these macho guys even if a girl in that tribe did want to choose a guy who had brians and not just brawn - would you care to find proof that there were NO rapes ?

Huh? That's not even relevant. When considering how a population has evolved over time due to mating and reproductive choices, it's a question of percentages. Depending on the population of the village, one rape or forced marriage, or even ten of them, wouldn't significantly change the outcome.

The point, more or less, is that once upon a time we NEEDED the macho brawny guys to fight and hunt for us in order to survive, and that's why humanity overall has consistently selected them for breeding. Now, in the "modern" world, we don't need them to be warriors and hunters so we're blaming them for being what we (humanity collectively) have created through our choices over the generations.

Originally posted by Kailassa Whoever believes this newspaper-selling nonsense has no understanding of the strength of the maternal bond and what mothers will go through to protect their children.

How can you just ignore hundreds of years of human history? Infanticide as population control, birth control, and societal engineering is a well-established human tradition, and continues today. Of course, these days we've made it a bit more palatable by being able to kill the baby before it's born instead of after.


[edit on 3-12-2008 by Heike]

Originally posted by megabyte

i agree and at the same time tinker with out genetic code so we no longer have the genes to become dependent on drugs?

some way off yet but that would be a good thing

Sorry, but that's completely insane; this is a social issue not a genetic one. You seem to have this idea that humankind is innately flawed physiologically and in need of a redesign. Even if that were true, do you really think humanity is qualified to do the work?

[edit on 3-12-2008 by Orwells Ghost]

Originally posted by Orwells Ghost

Originally posted by megabyte

i agree and at the same time tinker with out genetic code so we no longer have the genes to become dependent on drugs?

some way off yet but that would be a good thing

Sorry, but that's completely insane; this is a social issue not a genetic one. You seem to have this idea that humankind is innately flawed physiologically and in need of a redesign. Even if that were true, do you really think humanity is qualified to do the work?

[edit on 3-12-2008 by Orwells Ghost]

Being buddhist, i believe that our creator made these bodies flawed in various ways to help focus on what our purposes here are: to learn from experience.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Being buddhist, i believe that our creator made these bodies flawed in various ways to help focus on what our purposes here are: to learn from experience.

I too believe our reason for being here is to learn and grow from our experience. That's why the world can seem like such a nasty place sometimes; If everything was perfect, we'd have nothing to learn, right? So does that rule out genetic modification? I believe the issues we have both collectively and as individuals can be worked out without external influences such as modern medicine and technology. Do we really stand to benefit from mucking about with genetic codes of which our knowledge is limited at best?

personally, i think it isn't a simple cause and effect thing with violence and testosterone, the cause and effect is sex and testosterone. the fact that women are so undersexed by comparison is what causes the violence. sexual frustration is the real issue.

think about it, gay men are really nice usually, in fact "gay" is actually a word for being happy and nice. they have all the testosterone straight men have but they also have partners with equally high sex drives.

then there's the hippies, i hardly think it's a co-incidence that all that peace stuff went hand in hand with the free love stuff.

if anything, we need more testosterone, not less.

Originally posted by Orwells Ghost

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Being buddhist, i believe that our creator made these bodies flawed in various ways to help focus on what our purposes here are: to learn from experience.

I too believe our reason for being here is to learn and grow from our experience. That's why the world can seem like such a nasty place sometimes; If everything was perfect, we'd have nothing to learn, right? So does that rule out genetic modification? I believe the issues we have both collectively and as individuals can be worked out without external influences such as modern medicine and technology. Do we really stand to benefit from mucking about with genetic codes of which our knowledge is limited at best?

It will create new challenges. If we increase life spans, then we have population to worry about. If we change food crops, then we have possible issues with destruction of environment to deal with.

We will reach for the Gods, but lack the intellect to do so with anything but ignorance. Each new achievement creates a new challenge. We have created antibiotics, and this has given rise to superinfection.

I think that somewhere in the past many of our crops were genetically tinkered with. Corn has the longest DNA sequence on Earth. How does this happen through simple selective "breeding"?

Have you ever seen the kernel from wild wheat? Nothing really there, and the hull is exceptionally thick. How did we get such plump germs?