Only 10 days Left-Until Predicted Huge Earthquakes

reply to post by ArMaP


I can't give you a percentage, as I don't subscribe to the ALTA runs. All I can go by is what is passed along, with permission, by the urbansurvival website. He usually passes along the big ideas, as he/they think that is the right thing to do. He'll be the first to tell you that they are wrong sometimes, but he'll also point to the instances where the hits are more than just a coincidence. That's what interests me. You say it's easy to predict there will be earthquakes and bad weather. I guess that's true in a broad/vague sense. Just like it's true there is a wedding going on every day. But when the prediction is as close to one day off and the media image which then becomes associated with the event is a disrupted wedding, that to me seems like more than a coincidence. Just as a prediction that "winds" will be more prominent in the coming year, just happens to coincide with the largest number of tornadoes in U.S. recorded history. Coincidence?

Regardless, we'll find out in a few days whether this latest run is hit or miss. I'm personally hoping for a miss this time.

reply to post by Evil Genius


OK, that is one problem that I have been overlooking, we only have access to the data that George Ure posts, unless we pay for the original data, so we have no way of knowing if he does any "filtering" of the data.

I asked about the failed predictions because one that I saw today (an old prediction, from 2001 or 2003, I think) was about a large terrorist attack in a stadium at the end of that year, and it never happened, so I thought it would be easier to ask, that site is not the best for organised data.

Lets wait and see what happens.

While I can not validate this info as it is second hand information, I feel i should pass it along. I have family that has a place down in Tennessee, on Reel Foot Lake. For those of you who do not know, that lake is huge and was created by the New Madrid quakes of 1811-1812, anyway, I was told that a seismologist was sent to the area to study for a couple of weeks and he stayed one afternoon looking at data and left reportedly saying that he wasn't staying down there! Now as I said I don't have any details, only what I have stated above. Do I trust the person that relayed this information to me...yes 100%. Not to be "fear mongering", I just thought that living on the New Madrid fault myself ,that I would pass this on. Lets pray that nothing happens!

It doesn't really matter whether or not the prediction is correct. Earthquakes on large fault lines are inevitable. California will have one some time in the future, as will the Midwest, and many other locations in the world. It's not a matter of "If", but "When". We live too comfortably thinking that we are untouchable by all of the bad things we see happening on the news. My question is, what amount of bad is it going to take for people to wake the hell up, especially in this country, the good ol US of A.

I live in Hardy, AR and I'm not too worried about it. I did buy some extra bottled water and a little extra dry food. but those things won't go to waste anyway. I do agree with everyone else that has posted about earthquakes, they are inevitable and we just have to accept it. It is my personal opinion that we are long overdue for another New Madrid event and it could happen any day now. When it does. it will be bad and I believe that the entire mid-west will be crippled and in the dark. If it does happen, I'm just going to hunker down and spend some quality time with my dogs.

ps. for anyone in this region, it wouldn't hurt to pick up a couple of gallons of bottled water, just in case the bots are right.

I'm not saying this web bot will be right with this prediction. However it is interesting to note unusual animal activity, drops in water levels, and weird lights occuring in CA and along the Midwest has been reported the past couple of weeks. These have always been an indicator of a quake so I advise everyone to atleast be on the lookout because we are seeing signs of a possible disaster on the way. Indicators like this saved millions of lives in China because they saw this quake coming and were ready for it. Skeptics need to stop and think about the hard evidence that is showing indicators of an Earthquake on the way.

I hope nothing happens, but after the evidence I have looked at it is not looking good.

Originally posted by zman
I hope this quake does not happen anywhere, but they did give a longatude and a latitude in their discriptions. #36 degrees and a 32 degrees, that would put it around the Califorinia and coast of the NW. They did mention the Madrid but more centered on the NW and California. Look at a map and see where it may fall.

In CA, unless I am reading my map wrong, 32-36 degrees latitude puts it south of Fresno (central CA) to about the Mexican border. How do you get the NW from those coordinates (I'm assuming you meant the North West as in Oregon and Washington)?

Also, if you extend the 32-36 region as a band across the country it encapsulated New Madrid as well.

Type in lat 36, long -90 on any map finder app and you are dead center on the new madrid zone.

well its not that long to wait anyway now,im not a believer in the web bot,common sense and all that...but hell ill bite my lip for a few days,come back and chuckle that gall was wrong or cry that gall was right...i think im going to chuckle though.

Originally posted by TSOM87
If this event is going to happen, why won't the Goverment warn the people in the area where its going to happen. I mean if Webbot knows its going to happen and this thread has all this informtion won't the Goverment know alot more and be able to protect its people.

Or is it a case where the goverment knows it going to happen and dosen't give a flying feck about its people?

That is an interesting question. If you assume the government does know it's going to happen (say they have some sort of web bot system or something like the Princeton EGG or whatever themselves), how do they explain it to the population in a way that doesn't create mass panic and diaspora? And do they want the population to know they can detect things like this? It becomes a slippery slope. And remember the web bot prediction is date specific but isn't very location specific (just some guesses about landmarks and latitudes), so if the government is working with only that kind of specificity, how could they evacuate?

But assume they did know a location and date. I mean, suddenly they just come out and say 'by the way, there is going to be a massive eq in the southern midwest on X date...so you've been warned!' How do you evacuate the entire southern midwest? Where do you send these people? When a hurricane hits you just have everyone move 100 miles inland, and that's hard enough. A sufficiently large quake on the new madrid is going to damage entire states (or large portions thereof) and people in the center would need to be evacuated 500 or more miles.

I just don't see how the government could really do anything, or would really want to as the 'solution' might be just as chaotic and economically devastating as the problem. And again, if they have less than perfect data, as we do, then one false alarm and you've just moved a few million people hundreds of miles and disrupted the economy for nothing...and blown your trust.

My guess is that, if they did know, they would do exactly what we have been seeing, namely warning people to be prepared in non-specific ways. SoCal just had the shakeout drill and we've all seen the recent warnings around new madrid in the media.

Just now on C2C Joseph Jacobs,a psychic,was asked point blank about this very issue by a caller from Wisconsin.He was sorta cagey in reply.After saying how he tries to de-emphasize negative issues to reinforce the good.He slyly told George Noory he might consider leaving St Louis for LA sooner than planned.No runner from danger was the reply.Joseph was strangely obtuse,IMHO.He stated there was a probability of EQ's of note within the timeframe postulated herein.More confirmation for what it's worth.Said he HOPED it was not the New Madrid,kinda shaky way of putting it for a psychic.I think he sees and is not into alarming people.

Originally posted by soma_pills

Originally posted by zman
I hope this quake does not happen anywhere, but they did give a longatude and a latitude in their discriptions. #36 degrees and a 32 degrees, that would put it around the Califorinia and coast of the NW. They did mention the Madrid but more centered on the NW and California. Look at a map and see where it may fall.

In CA, unless I am reading my map wrong, 32-36 degrees latitude puts it south of Fresno (central CA) to about the Mexican border. How do you get the NW from those coordinates (I'm assuming you meant the North West as in Oregon and Washington)?

Also, if you extend the 32-36 region as a band across the country it encapsulated New Madrid as well.

Type in lat 36, long -90 on any map finder app and you are dead center on the new madrid zone.

Chill out Somma. I am just qouting from the source site www.urbansurvival.com... Tell them that. They did happen to say that the NW might get the second of the 2 quakes.

"The data sets associated with [twin earthquakes] continues to grow. The newly supporting sets are within the aspect/attribute sets of [pulsating (motion)], and [rippling (ground)], and [motion (of) sound (in) ground]. This last is supported by aspect/attributes which suggest that it is related to [waves] of [propagation] within the [surface] of the [earth], as well as being a literal/actual reference to [sound (coming up from the) ground] during the [earthquake(s)]. Further support builds under [mountains] where the newly arrived aspect/attributes include [frail crust], and [broken (open) fertile plain]. Other aspect/attribute sets in the supporting chain include [seed(ed) valley] as being the [focus/nexus] of the [most damage], though note that this is not necessarily the epicenter of the earthquake energy.

Taken from this site today ( www.urbansurvival.com...) . But they DID say this back in November.

You're missing the point. My contention is that there is a possibility that the human brain could be capable of something that we don't yet understand. Not that this is scientific fact. And for you to say that this is just not possible is closed-minded IMO. And while it sounds like something from Fringe, it's that exact possibility which makes it so damn interesting. You want scientific results? Did you check out the article at The Boundary Institute? As far as the magnetic field example goes, yes we know there is a magnetic field, just as we know space-time exists. We also know that certain animals use the field to navigate during migration periods. What we don't really know is how their brains are able to do this and how they evolved this ability in the first place. Just like we don't know why the laws of causation seem to go backwards in certain experiments, which have been duplicated in the lab. All I am saying is open your mind to the possibility.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a very open-minded person. But it just seems too convenient to say that it's possible to predict the future with the internet because we don't "fully understand how are brains work."

Remember Occam's Razor? "The simplest explanation tends to be the right one." Now which makes more sense, that our brains have psychic emissions that allow people to predict future seismic events through the internet OR that the web bot is nothing but a search engine?

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Totakeke]

Actually it IS scientific fact that the human brain has precognitive powers. Not just 'sensitive' people but most if not all. There have been dozens of scientists running hundreds of experiments over decades to prove this. Both the Global Consciousness Project and, to a lesser degree, WebBot are based upon that body of work. It's not in debate. It has been demonstrated and quantified. No one claims to understand it --- nor do they understand hiccups by the way --- but they know it is real.

That being the case --- that people are subconsciously precognitive --- you can see why GCP and WebBot work. Things in your subconscious percolate up to your conscious and manifest themselves in many ways. Dreams, for example. The theory that precognitive ideas could find their way into a measurable shift in linguistics on the web (where there is a massive sea of language that changes in real time) is well within reason. Interpretation is difficult. Knowing which 'keywords' to track takes years to develop. But the science behind this is vaulable and real.

Just because some scientists somewhere try to test whether people have precognitive abilities doesn't mean that it's accepted within the scientific community.

There are other scientific explanations (saying that there have been experiments done with precognition doesn't mean they can explain how it works, IF it works) for why people think they can predict the future. It won't be scientific fact until they can explain how it works, and whether it is really precognition or just selection bias.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by Totakeke]

Global Consciousness Project is pretty much pseudo science,i wouldnt put all your eggs in that basket.

reply to post by Totakeke


I specifically said they do not know how it works. There are basket-loads of things in science that are demonstrable, repeatable and quantitative yet the mechansims behind them are unknown. Again, hiccups for example. Physics is full of these sorts of things.

Pseudo-science it's not. Unexplained, yes. If you can provide an explanation of how random event generators become non-random in-concert I'm all ears. And precognition experiments are ubiquitous. Here's a typical one:

A computer system is setup to randomly select photos from two different sets: One is highly emotional with scenes of sex, violence, danger, outward emotion. The second is pastoral scenes and still lifes. These pictures have been shown to subjects and their emotional response measured to make certain the photos trigger the expected reaction. Emotional reaction is determined by measuring skin conductance. This is a commonly used medical methodology and part of a polygraph machine.

A subject is connected to the skin conductance instrumentation and then presses a button to bring up a random selection of both 'emotional' and calm pictures. Conductance baseline measurements are taken. Aftre the baseline is measured the testing begins. Skin conductance is constatly recorded. The subject presses a button. A picture is selected at random but not displayed immediately. There is a delay. The picture is then shown and timestamped in the recorded data. The process is repeated. Button press, delay, picture.

What they found was that during the delay and prior to the picture actually being shown subjects showed a measureable and statistically significant change in skin conductance prior to seeing the 'emotional' photos. But not the 'calm' ones. They were reacting emotionally to a photo they had not yet seen.

Numerous similar studies have been published over the years. Anyone taking upper level psych in college would likely have studied at least some of these. Again, real, quantitative, repeatable but not understood.

Here is a snopsis of some similar studies:

Precogntiion Studies



[edit on 9-12-2008 by jtma508]

I'm still not convinced. Web bot is just a web crawler. That's all. It searches for future-pointing statements and then does something with them (only a few select people actually know what it's doing) and then spits out random gibberish that humans have to "interpret." So it can't even come remotely close? If someone says, "Omg there will be earthquakes!" the web bot returns "isolation?" or "bowel release?" and all of the other stuff it returned? If it looks for future statements why can't it just generalize them? What is it doing that's so important and secret that they have to charge over $200.00 just to see it? (I don't care if you can get it for free, they still charge for the data.)

People can interpret the results to mean anything. Notice how many things could fit the terms that are mentioned about the supposed "earthquakes?" It could be a ton of different things. All it takes is one of those things to happen and everyone thinks web bot is right.

It isn't that hard to "predict" the future if you know the right information. I could make a few predictions based on the state of the world and they would be reasonably accurate.

I dont understand why everyone is having a problem grasping the fact that webbot could potentially work. Lets look at the facts.

Lets say the goverment knows how to predict earthquakes so the Data exists. Maybe each piece is out on the internet from different sources.

So for example maybe seismologist #1 located on the southern area of the new madrid fault posts his readings on THE INTERNET and talks about his findings breifly.

seismologist #2 at the north area of the new madrid fault posts his findings up where??? OH THE INTERNET.

and many seismologists and scientists and people who actually contribute knowledge to the INTERNET post up whats going on with the new madrid fault line.


So then webbot searches all these websites and blogs and finds CREDIBLE information, NOT garbage.... they arent searching only www.poro.com or www.nervousjimmyspredictions.com


How it translates good earthquake information into actual date ranges is beyond me.... But it is most certainly possible... and seismologists may be exchanging theories about predicting quakes for december 10-15 on forums.... or even the government employees could be posting on blogs as unknown people warning friends and family to leave certain areas or stockpile food.

it supposedly looks for emotional change right? How do you know the OP of this topic or any supporting members arent actually aware of something we arent and arent at liberty to say but they are supporting this which webbot would pick up on through emotion...

webbot picks up data, emotional change, and related topics.


if 1000 different websites say animals are acting funnny

if 1000 different websites say water levels are doing weird things

if 1000 differet websites predict december quakes(psychic or through actual data)

if 1 million other websites are utter garbage

its still going to see the good stuff.... IT FILTERS..

so its not taking IPWNYOURFACE and translating it into an earthquake, its ignoring that statement. It looks for keywords and emotional changes related to that word.

so WOW my horses are acting crazy at the farm

and wow I PWN j0000 arent both looked at....


and there is science behind webbot.... it takes INFORMATION from 1000's of sources and analyzes it...

isnt that what scientists do?

yes the probability that webbot is any good at this is extremely slim... but it could in theory work EXTREMELY WELL

no its not PRE COGNOTIVE..... it just pieces together everyones current ideas to see if the information and use it to predict events.

take a puzzle for example. if everyone holds 1 piece no one knows what the picture looks like.... but if everyone puts the pieces together the picture forms.

webbot takes all the pieces to the puzzle (supposedly) and puts it together to form future events.

now since its taking pieces of the puzzle from humans who are flawed by nature... it is very easy for it to be wrong.... but theres also a % chance that it could be right.... not everytime.... but it definitely could be right every so often.


so lets just wait the dec 10-15 and see what happens.... if it doesnt work webbot is not debunked because webbot does not claim to be 100% accurate to begin with.

To claim webbot is debunked you would have to disprove at least 11 predictions in a row. less than 10% in my book is to insignifcant to pay attention to.

if they are right 10% or higher then its worth keeping an eye on.

Originally posted by soma_pills
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[qoute]That is an interesting question. If you assume the government does know it's going to happen (say they have some sort of web bot system or something like the Princeton EGG or whatever themselves), how do they explain it to the population in a way that doesn't create mass panic and diaspora? And do they want the population to know they can detect things like this? It becomes a slippery slope. And remember the web bot prediction is date specific but isn't very location specific (just some guesses about landmarks and latitudes), so if the government is working with only that kind of specificity, how could they evacuate?

But assume they did know a location and date. I mean, suddenly they just come out and say 'by the way, there is going to be a massive eq in the southern midwest on X date...so you've been warned!' How do you evacuate the entire southern midwest? Where do you send these people? When a hurricane hits you just have everyone move 100 miles inland, and that's hard enough. A sufficiently large quake on the new madrid is going to damage entire states (or large portions thereof) and people in the center would need to be evacuated 500 or more miles.

I just don't see how the government could really do anything, or would really want to as the 'solution' might be just as chaotic and economically devastating as the problem. And again, if they have less than perfect data, as we do, then one false alarm and you've just moved a few million people hundreds of miles and disrupted the economy for nothing...and blown your trust.

My guess is that, if they did know, they would do exactly what we have been seeing, namely warning people to be prepared in non-specific ways. SoCal just had the shakeout drill and we've all seen the recent warnings around new madrid in the media.


Sorry I completely disagree, if the govt. knew for sure with what ever sources they have, they should WARN the people, better to have chaos as people are leaving than to have chaos and dead bodies everywhere afterwards!

I disagree - the govt. should protect and warn the people ---gosh haven't they put out all those other "terrorist" warnings - having people live in fear all the time!



[edit on 9-12-2008 by questioningall]

I don't know or read the webot whatever it is but I do have the little program on my desktop that shows me all earthquakes. It wiggles my screen when theres a quake anywhere in the world so its pretty cool. Anyway I have noticed no wiggle so I checked for latest quakes and there have been NONE since Dec. 2nd. I am no expert but I remember in college geology "no micro quakes" is a bad thing. Doesn't it mean pressure IS NOT being released and when we finally do have a quake the longer there are NO quakes the greater the chance of a very big quake. Should we be worried? Are there any experts here with more than a webot hunch?