Calling all socialists.

I need some money. Please help.

PM for my bank details so you can deposit.

Thanks.

ps, I also need somewhere to live. If you're in England, give me a room.

im in ireland but i can put ya up for a while, sign on the dole if your british and give me half!

i think the point of socialism is for everyone to contribute. you don't get something for nothing. do something for me and i'll give you cash.

I have a right to housing and food. I need the money to buy the food and you provide the housing.

I also have a medical condition caused by me breaking my leg with a hammer. Someone buy me a wheelchair.

Governmentsecrets,

So you're going to let me die? You evil capitalist scum.

sign on the dole

Ah the good oul dole.. nothing better than 200odd euro and rent allowance for doing absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by Dermo

sign on the dole

Ah the good oul dole.. nothing better than 200odd euro and rent allowance for doing absolutely nothing.

Unless people need it until they get on their feet again.Of course many folks use and abuse it...but myself...i am on the dole and im not happy that i am,taking money of hard working folks inst the best thing in the world..but i intend fully to repay what i have been given when back on my feet.

And yes mystique lots of folks dont know much about ideaology except what they are force fed ie Russia annd China aint communist despite what media says.Communism is an evolution of socialism that wont happen.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by Solomons]

Socialism is about equalizing incomes through taxes and responsible policies. It is not about asking for personal handouts. Thats what you have to do in a conservative country where many people are homeless.

The problem with asking socialists for money is that you will never find a rich socialist. Those who want socialism are characterized by the fact that they don't have any money and want to punish and harm those who do because its "not fair."

So you'll have to wait until they can find some rich person to steal his money and pounce on him

Socialism is the same thing that the OP is doing, except that it would be taken out of your pocket and given to him without your consent. I don't know how anyone could defend that outlook. There are way, way too many lazy people on this earth, especially on this continent, for socialism to work. In capitalism, the middle class is robbed by the rich, and in socialism he's robbed by the rich and the poor lol. I'd hate to have robin hood and prince jon knocking on My door all the time!!

Originally posted by heyo
Socialism is the same thing that the OP is doing, except that it would be taken out of your pocket and given to him without your consent. I don't know how anyone could defend that outlook. There are way, way too many lazy people on this earth, especially on this continent, for socialism to work. In capitalism, the middle class is robbed by the rich, and in socialism he's robbed by the rich and the poor lol. I'd hate to have robin hood and prince jon knocking on My door all the time!!

So you think all those on benefits are lazy? or *like* having handouts?...

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Can somebody smell an uninformed disinfo agent peddling propaganda and misusing the legit meaning of socialism? I sure can. Socialism is not about giving your money away to everyone for nothing, dunce. I like how people feel so confident to express their limited knowledge of the things they *think* they know. Save yourself the humiliation please, do some research, and deny ignorance. Now go out there and do something for your country, instead of misleading your fellow citizens, whichever nationality you may be. I hate to be harsh, but if we don't deny disinfo then who will? Socialism isn't ANYTHING like this, that sounds like begging and welfare type-of-vocabulary.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by -zeropoint-]

The best way to take away the stigma of "handouts" when peoples circumstances are different, and also in a constant state of flux, unless you're very lucky, is to give everyone a guaranteed income cheque in your country, but for differing amounts, some say 25 dollars, othera, an above the poverty line income. It would eliminate duplications of services, ie. welfare, disability, old age pensions, and unemployment insurance. And no one could look at another with prejudice.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by mystiq]

We can give a hand up, we can give you medical care, we can give you an education, and if your skills are out of date, a retraining. We pay tax, we do not complain about it. We are socialists, Western style.

N.B. In UK, both parties do this, but the Conservatives go for 'efficiency' ie cuts, and Labour go for 'Investment' ie corrupt waste. But other than that they're identical.

P.S. I am not a socialist.

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I was raised by a single mother on welfare. she was lazy about it. I don't disrespect her for it, it was almost entrapment how it was. Human beings go for "something for nothing" more than they go for "something for something". This is why I believe it wont work. And no i don't think all are lazy, but enough are to make it extremely difficult for the hard working.

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[edit on 28-11-2008 by Solomons]

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LOL. I don't claim to know everything, however the world is a crap hole because people who think they know, don't. Things that look good on paper don't necessarily work in practice. Do some research? Lol. I wonder what I'm doing here (and don't assume I ONLY come HERE)? For every argument on the internet, there is a counter-argument. Which side you believe is based on your culture and the like, not so much on the facts, because you never know which are true and which are not. I would ask how the trip was to this utopian society? To know that sure about it you must've been there. really. is it like in europe or something??

Socialism

"An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism. Some socialists tolerate capitalism, as long as the government maintains the dominant influence over the economy; others insist on an abolition of private enterprise. All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communists."

dictionary.reference.com...

Exactly what is happening just now, the banks are being nationalised, companies are being bailed out by the government, effectively being owned by us, the populace. Socialism at work.

Dole is only available under certain conditions. If you refuse any job they offer you, you get cut off. If you fail to attend any job interview they arrange you get cut off. If you can't prove you've been applying for jobs you get cut off.

Some people manage to abuse the system, but overall it is just for people to survive until they get back into work, not a handout for leeches.

Last time I took some dole, it was about £80 a fortnight (about $60 a week USD), not really a fun amount of money to live on. It got cut off for 6 weeks once, because I did one day of work, that one days pay was not enough to live on for 6 weeks... So for most it is not some easy life, it's just enough money to keep you in food and water until you find a job.

"Well since this is the internet and nobody knows me i will explain why i am on benefits.Since i was 15 i suffered from your average anxiety...by age 16 this had evolved into minor agoraphobia...My GCSE's were basically me looking at the clock and leaving as fast i could to get home to my room.After leaving school because of this it became worse and worse....by age 17 ish my family still had no idea about anything i was thinking or going through...to them i was lazy and wouldnt get a job,i was thrown out the house a few times in which case there was a spot about 2 miles away that was secluded in the forest where i slept away from everyone.Age 18 my family for some reason or other found out i had problems...so i agreed to see a mental health worker after much much fighting against it...Right now i havent left my house for 7 months,i have not seen any of my friends for 3 months and im basically rotting away.Been on benefits for two years and i still dont see much of a future,been down the suicide route,i drink most of the time to blunt off the fact i see the same walls 24 hours a day 7 days a week...and when i do go out after drinking heavily to blur out my existance i make a fool of myself.Every single person i know from school has left for either their own flats,jobs, university etc I dont know anyone.I sit here day after day after day doing nothing...i pressure my mother into getting me some beers because i cant leave the house to get them myself.I sit here on the net,get drunk,fall asleep.Wake up turn on tv,turn on pc...same same same same everyday.Anyway you dont know me and this was a good rant for me anyway...does this justify me being on dole? probably not...and i dont care...because writing that was good."

I feel your pain brother, because I am in a similar situation to you also. Sit around, hut for work, drink cider (which I'm doing now) and feeling sorry for myself. However, at some point you have to take personal responsibility for your actions and try to make something from life, no matter how hard it is. I used to consider the dole 'claiming back my taxes' from a #ty governement but cancelled two days ago because it was not helping my situation. Have you not considered that quitting alcohol would aid you in life? If you google Ibogaine you may find something that can help you quit the addiction (if you have one). And yes, you have anxiety issues. However, most people face adversity of sorts in life, and that's the way it is. You either sink or you swim and that depends on your own labour and ingenuity. How could it be any other way and why would you want it any other way? When you suceed in life, against the odds, would you not want to stand and say 'I conquered!' rather than 'I was bailed out!'?

I'm a good socialist ( ) so I'll offer you a room on behalf of my parents who are considering fostering. We can talk crap about conspiracies and politial ideologies.

As for you socialists not giving me your money. How dare you? I offered you the easy option and you refused me my rights! Now it's the hard way, and the gov is coming round your house to take your possessions because I'm too lazy to work and spend my money drinking cider.

Also, I need a new kidney, so if anyone has two, send me a PM and I'll have a man with a cooler come to your place and extract a kindey for me. Then we'll arrange how we pay the surgeon for his skill to intergrate it into my biological system.

Originally posted by Mahatma87
"Well since this is the internet and nobody knows me i will explain why i am on benefits.Since i was 15 i suffered from your average anxiety...by age 16 this had evolved into minor agoraphobia...My GCSE's were basically me looking at the clock and leaving as fast i could to get home to my room.After leaving school because of this it became worse and worse....by age 17 ish my family still had no idea about anything i was thinking or going through...to them i was lazy and wouldnt get a job,i was thrown out the house a few times in which case there was a spot about 2 miles away that was secluded in the forest where i slept away from everyone.Age 18 my family for some reason or other found out i had problems...so i agreed to see a mental health worker after much much fighting against it...Right now i havent left my house for 7 months,i have not seen any of my friends for 3 months and im basically rotting away.Been on benefits for two years and i still dont see much of a future,been down the suicide route,i drink most of the time to blunt off the fact i see the same walls 24 hours a day 7 days a week...and when i do go out after drinking heavily to blur out my existance i make a fool of myself.Every single person i know from school has left for either their own flats,jobs, university etc I dont know anyone.I sit here day after day after day doing nothing...i pressure my mother into getting me some beers because i cant leave the house to get them myself.I sit here on the net,get drunk,fall asleep.Wake up turn on tv,turn on pc...same same same same everyday.Anyway you dont know me and this was a good rant for me anyway...does this justify me being on dole? probably not...and i dont care...because writing that was good."

I feel your pain brother, because I am in a similar situation to you also. Sit around, hut for work, drink cider (which I'm doing now) and feeling sorry for myself. However, at some point you have to take personal responsibility for your actions and try to make something from life, no matter how hard it is. I used to consider the dole 'claiming back my taxes' from a #ty governement but cancelled two days ago because it was not helping my situation. Have you not considered that quitting alcohol would aid you in life? If you google Ibogaine you may find something that can help you quit the addiction (if you have one). And yes, you have anxiety issues. However, most people face adversity of sorts in life, and that's the way it is. You either sink or you swim and that depends on your own labour and ingenuity. How could it be any other way and why would you want it any other way? When you suceed in life, against the odds, would you not want to stand and say 'I conquered!' rather than 'I was bailed out!'?

I'm a good socialist (

) so I'll offer you a room on behalf of my parents who are considering fostering. We can talk crap about conspiracies and politial ideologies.

As for you socialists not giving me your money. How dare you? I offered you the easy option and you refused me my rights! Now it's the hard way, and the gov is coming round your house to take your possessions because I'm too lazy to work and spend my money drinking cider.

Also, I need a new kidney, so if anyone has two, send me a PM and I'll have a man with a cooler come to your place and extract a kindey for me. Then we'll arrange how we pay the surgeon for his skill to intergrate it into my biological system.

Cheers! Yes i know,wallowing in self pity doesn't help anyone and when people say you have to control your own life,future etc i agree 100%...but damn, its harder to do than say it lol I have read about lots of stories about people in my situation who finally come out fine and have a real tangible life and i know its possible...but its just been so long now with the same routine over and over again i dont see much of a future.

Anyhoo Cheers! You can be on my friend list