Hallucinogenic death

Im throwing this in skunk works since I dont know where else to put it.

So.. This is for anyone who belives that death is a hallucination.

We all know, as a fact that '___' (most potent hallucinogenic substance known to man) is found in our brain. However, some people, including myself, belive that this, along with other brain "misfires" are released during death.

The best way to explain why I belive this, is that I have experimented with hallucinogens/psychedellics. I know for a fact, that space/time perception is altered, making a few seconds seem like a few years (drug dependent) This, assuming that chemical compounds are amounts and locations are being changed, can cause "eternal hallucinations"

In other terms, when you die your brain begins to shut down and release its chemicals, causing a hallucination that only lasts a few seconds in real time, yet seems like years, or forever, when you die.

I want to also stress, that if this is true you must understand that when this happens it may produce a bad "trip." However, some people belive that the part of the brain that produces fear shuts down first, not allowing this to happen.

'___' (drug) effects have been reported to be- Out of body experiences, Flying through "worm holes" having tunnel vision and seeing lights.

Near death experiences effects - Flying through space, seeing lights at the end of tunnels, talking to "spirits" ect.

They sound a like dont they? If you assume that the brain is "wired" for death, it would know what parts of the brain to activate when. So, this could mean, your brain, and its unique chemistry controll what happens when you die. What people DONT understand is the hallucinations are real, atleast to you. Your brain is unable to tell you that this isnt actually happening. So you think it really is, you probably wouldnt even doubt it.

However, your brain might used stored information, to cause a specific hallucination. Like the BIOS on a computer. If you are very religious and expect to come face to face with "god" than that might be what happens in your hallucination. However an athiest might experience something COMPLETELY different that involves no "god"

After all, do any of you know for certain that life is "real" How do you know your not laying in a hospital bed right now and this is all a dream or death.

This is just my theory. If your curious the hallucinogens/psychedellics I have tryed are- Salvia Divinorum (second strongest hallucinogen) Cannabis/Marijuana (in high doses DOES cause hallucinations)

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Someone has been watching Fringe lately.

A similar study was conducted by the nazis, back in 1940's. Ive read this on a couple sites, and heard it from teachers in the past. Unfortionatly I cant find the sites. But the study went that the Nazi's had captured 2 allie soldiers, blind folded one and slit his wrist in front of the other soldier so he could watch his comrade slowly die. Then after the soldier had died, they blind folded the other one and pretended to slit his wrist. He in the end died, for no apparent reason.

Now I doubt that someone could have a bad 'trip' causing them to die of physical damage to the body. I could see them dying of a chemical, but nothing like in Fringe. Now im sure death is possible through hypnosis, simple as telling somebody that they have been poisoned, and the body reacts to this imaginary poison in a dramatic way. Imagination not workin to good...

Ive seen people have bad trips on Salvia. One was running and clipped his head on a wall shelf to later recall that he drempt that he was being chased by cops and they hit him in the face with a baton.

What are you talking about?

I never said dying of a bad trip. Im saying, dying causes you to trip.

So then death is like the chocolate inside of those hard candy suckers you used to get for halloween?

If thats what you want.. possibly. '___' is massively un-predictable and extremely potent. Who knows.

Very interesting. Made me think. I'd never seen or read anything like this before, but it does make alot of sense. Thanks.

Originally posted by cemeteryguy
Very interesting. Made me think. I'd never seen or read anything like this before, but it does make alot of sense. Thanks.

Thank you.

If anyone wants to do their own research on '___' I would check out erowid.org

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This never printed my whole story

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So eternal punishment in hell is all in our heads? What the heck is a '___'?? Deceiving Mind Tricks?

All this inspires one to ask, why did humans have in their brains the most potent hallucinogenic substance in their head? What's the purpose?

I have heard this too, actually read it in a book on consciousness, I was looking for similar threads, here are some similar threads
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and..www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think the misconception is about the whole perception of time, and the error of testimony. If large quantities and were talking massive leakage of '___' was released if our brain knew the eminent danger of it not being able to operate anymore, then white lights, visions, tunnels, life flashing before eyes, random memories and dream like awakening, all could be just the final reaction - until someone brings you back, for you to recall what you remember. Thats just my 2 cents on NDE's - Since I've never had one I can't really argue against it - what feels real, feels real.

Originally posted by hardcoremusiclover

Cannabis/Marijuana (in high doses DOES cause hallucinations)

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NO NO NO NO AND NO! _javascript:icon('')

sorry but i get frustrated reading that statement all the time

its misleading and not fully true

it is true that users with a VERY low tolerance and new to the experience may develop an overactive imagination but ANYONE who consumes cannibus on a regular occasion does not have hallucinations, i dont care how strong the strain of indica is or what ratio of sativa/indica mix that its been breeded into is

i dont care if the persons smoking a gravity bong and hitting it 20 times, the person wont hallucinate, they will go to sleep very comfortably

some new users may report "hallucinations" but as far as this discussion is concerned i dont think marijuana should be even mentioned in this group of hallucinogenics

i think putting marijuana in this situation detracts from the content of this op and also furthers the negative dis-info tactics of the DEA

marijuana is in no way at all similar to salvia divinorum, lsd, psilocybin mushrooms or any other psychoactive out there


im completly following your post and agree you have a great point and theory up untill that end part about the hallucinogenics, when discussing this type of thing you would be MUCH more accurate if you compared the "death trip" you imagine to that of the mushroom experience where you are truly out of this world/out of body


the mushroom experience is very similar to your idea of death in that it unlocks "doors" and ways of thinking/seeing/smelling, it gives your senses a new way to work

from what i know lsd as a hallucinogenic is much more visual then the mushroom experience but mushrooms cause much more internal thought and inflection in the right situation,

i think your idea holds alot of weight as shamanism uses the mushroom/peyote as a religious/medical tool and there are alot of very similar types of ideology between what you're speaking of and the way native americans and other cultures view the hallucinogenic experience

i also believe that has alot to do with why its illegal, i think the powers that be are afraid of such a powerful tool becoming wide used and society learning what the ancient cultures have learned for thousands of years

as far as i know the use of mushrooms and peyote in religious context is the oldest religion on earth (have to find documentation to prove that but dont have the time at the moment) i believe erowid's site would be able to point you in the right direction to find that


as to the op i encourage you to read about that type of culture as i think you will be very interested as they coincide with alot of your ideas here


mods i understand there is a rule not discussing drugs and i hope that it is understood that i am not just talking about drugs i am talking about religious topics in a serious mature manner and hope this is not considered breaking t&c
i also hope we can keep this thread mature on the whole and have a great conversation about a controversial and seemingly lost religion

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Ok, this is starting to make a little bit sense now. There are many theories that the brain works trans dimensionally.

So maybe these chemicals are a way for the brain to exist in an eternal frame of reference so in this time frame, the brain is immortalized. It's simply escaping to a dimension where it can live forever. Like a survival mechanism.

It's also discussed in ***The Dulce Book*** probably one possible reference that this theory is true. It states, that the brain releases chemicals the last few moments before brain death. This chemical so-called *Nectar of the Gods* in the book is highly prized by aliens and they consume it in a manner and purpose like we take illegal drugs.

It's also discussed in the book that they kill or torture humans in various ways to achieve different effects of this brain chemical. I really suggest not to read the book, it's very disturbing, I've read it once, won't read it again.

Thanks for the replys. Well, I dont think some of you understand quite what I mean.

What "we" are, or our "mind" is just our brain chemicals and electric stimuli.

What we perceive as "reality" is only what our brain chemistry is allowed to perceive and translate.

Its like a computer, your hardware (brain) can only interprate external data that it understands, like keyboard strokes. It has no concept of what anything it cant interprite or percive means.

If your powersuply voltage spikes your hardware will produce errors and mostlikely fry. This is because your hardware needs a steady controlled current, and when it doesnt get enough, it shuts down. If it gets to much it will most likely artifact, (visual distortions and flickering) then ultimately fry.

If we convert that to humans, we get this...

Your brain only understands what it can interprate and perceive. We have no concept of what could possibly be out in space. We have no Idea how or why we exist. Our universe could be the equivalent of a drop of water in the ocean.

Your heart stops beating, and your blood suply, carring oxygen stops. Your brain slowly dies, due to its in ablity to function normally without it. In its last attempts to survive it starts having errors, and chemicals get released and brain stimulation to certain areas increases/decreases. This causes a "artifacting" like in computers, except much more complex. Your brain produces several neurotransmitters, which are basically chemicals that carry signals that stimulate the brain. This is what makes you feel happy, sad, this causes you to think and feel, too see and everything else. When these things get messed up, you get complicated hallucinations, not like some drug hallucinations like seeing spiders, but complex out of body other worldy things.

Its to hard to explain on here.

You begin hallucinating and your brain slows down neurotransmitter flow to your time perception area, and it seems like time is infinate.

Originally posted by hardcoremusicloverYour heart stops beating, and your blood suply, carring oxygen stops. Your brain slowly dies, due to its in ablity to function normally without it. In its last attempts to survive it starts having errors, and chemicals get released and brain stimulation to certain areas increases/decreases. This causes a "artifacting" like in computers, except much more complex.

If you read my response above your post, we have similar theory but the difference is unlike your theory of an error, it's not an error but the brain's intent to survive much longer, 'eternally' in a different frame of reference.

Now, if you take the time to read my reference to the Dulce Book, it even discusses similar chemicals introduced to the brain in a form of torture inducing unimaginable suffering far beyond what's possible with physical methods. The practice intends to completely erase memories and character of the individual, they start from blank for reprogramming purposes.

I could almost imagine that this hallucinogenic torture is the eternal torment in hell itself.

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this tells us a lil bout dmt

Sounds pretty reasonable to me; when you're dying, you brain is going to be working under unusual conditions. it'd stand to reason you'd vividly hallucinate as your neurons start to blink off for the last time.

I certainly haven't studied any of this, though.

Dying does not make you "trip" you have it all the wrong way around!

When under the influences of something that makes you "trip" your ego and the illusion of the "I" which is always constantly checking itself against the environment, trying to validate its own Existence, therefore building up the illusion of the ID, is broken down.

Its a self referencing loop of illusion and projections.

Well when taking these substances your self as such is broken down.

So you at last are just "being" natural experiencing the world as it is, and your connection to it. Seeing the other dimensions and energies that the Illusiory "ID" represses because they threaten its existence and control and power over you.

When you Die you are awake at last, no illusion of this, when you "trip" your Illusion of the ego dies, and funny enough are Alive properly for the first time since you were 5-7 yrs old and created your seperate "ID / EGO / Them and US " illusion.

You become as many of the sages say... "like a child again".

Though I do not condone anyone taking such illicit substances

Elf.

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I remember hearing about this about a year ago. It seems very plausible. Death actually is the end, however the soul of the person will never know it because they're locked in those 2 seconds before they died.

Check out Rick Strassmans - The Spirit Molecule. Its clear '___' is in the brain, its actually welcomed through the blood-brain barrier and does not lead to tolerance. This makes it highly likely that its used within the body for reasons unknown.

Interestingly it may have to do with belief, spirituality, psychosis and dreams. Its present in both animals and plants, possibly hinting at its use in developing conciousness itself. Also the hallucinations involve geometrical/mathematical landscapes with entities which seem to be transforming and communicating directly with our minds.

Obviously its a hallucination. But theres always the possibility that this substance is involved in every animals conciousness worldwide, maybe even having a part to play in the transformative nature of evolution.

I've had an NDE.

After ∞ kicked me back down to Earth I floated around watching the dentist finishing off my root fillings, and peered in my own mouth.

Later, when he was panicking over not getting a response from me, he went to his desk, found the number of the closest hospital and wrote it down.

Later, when I was in my own body again, (he'd come back to my body and "called" me back,) and he wouldn't believe I'd been hovering, watching it all, I told him the number he'd written down on his blotter.

The experience frightened the poor dentist terribly.

It was an interesting journey, and as real as a walk to the shops.