Evidence in Scripture disproving god once and for all

reply to post by LeoVirgo


Even though I believe the man Jesus came and taught many things, I dont think there is any text that is absolute of a pure teaching of Jesus without distortion. I look for the nature of a righteous teaching and go from there.

And just to note, I dont find the entire OT worthless...many times the Holy Spirit is spoken of and some of those references I look at as the wisdom of God beginning to shine through the 'ruler' of the OT. But mainly, the ruler is seen throughout it and the ruler is also seen in the NT as well.

One needs much discernment to read the Bible.

Each to their own,
LV

In response to the OP I'd like to consider this...

First of all I don't have a bible handy, but to those of you familiar with popular passages, there is a scripture I believe it to be in 2 Peter 3:8 where it says "a day for us is a thousand years for god", something to that effect. And in Ecclesiastes there is a passage that says that "time and unforeseen occurance befall us all", basically "s**t happens". If there were no free will, Jesus wouldn't have said that.

As a being of pure energy that exists in a different "realm" than us (i think the bible calls it a spirit realm? cant remember), it is safe to assume that God's reference to time is much different than ours. As such stated by the scripture in the above paragraph. Everything probably moves incredibly slow, allowing him to manipulate things as he sees fit. Many fundamentalists believe God created the earth in 6 consecutive human days. Which to me doesn't seem realistic.

In my opinion, God can be likened to a chef. You get the dish cooking, and come back periodically to check on it and let it cook itself. You don't sit there staring at the pan waiting for the time where you can add seasonings and such, thats just dumb. The point is, God has lots of TIME. No wonder he knows everything and has named every star, he's probably bored to tears. No wonder he made a universal sandbox in the first place. Just my two cents. Plus why would God ask Adam and Eve "where are you hiding?" if he knew the future and where they were hiding anyways?

If this interests you..... Pick up a copy of Thomas Paine's book "The Age of Reason" It is the most intelligent piece of work on the topic. (Not to mention it was written by Thomas Paine

reply to post by Good Wolf



I understand what you are trying to say but even the bible says

take it as if it were a grain of salt

you cant believe everything you see hear or read

before the bible was in english it was in many other languages and when

translating certain meanings can change so easily besides that fact the bible was in the hands of the power hungry people before it got into the hands of the people im sure it can be have been changed to benefit there greedy needs

i understand in the bible it says doom the people who would change the words of god but 4 somone who doesnt belive in god that wouldnt really matter would it?

i dont believe in religion i think it is a form of controlling people but i do

believe in god and christ

there is so much also missing from the bible

about jesus's travels and about the essenes and much more

to me life wouldnt make sense of there was no god

please google Dr. Ivan Panin.

reply to post by asmeone2


Well you have to look at the fact that the books were passed down for thousands of years until they were all put into one widely used volume. Of course it was written by man, we have always needed someone or something to blame for everything that happens. So we created GOD. But then people thought, ' Well, this isnt really logical. Where is the proof.'

Thus the Quran(old testament) was created. As old as this half of the book itself is, there is no way possible that as it was passed down that it wasnt edited or bumped up to the next fanatic that got their hands on it. It is only logical that it was made by man himself.

reply to post by nj2day


Hey man, check out Myles Munroe at google vid. This man will be able to explain in simple words how you are sooooo wrong. And he will explain how religion has twisted our true identity with God. We all have the wool pulled over our eyes.

Steve Simpson

Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by asmeone2

 

how are we supposed to follow the word of god without asking questions?

"Let not your prophets that are in the midst of you, and your diviners deceive you... For they prophesy falsely to you in My name, and I have NOT sent them,said the Lord."

--Jeremiah 29:8-9

It is called "Faith", and it is a characteristic which you most certainly lack. If you need to keep doubting, then you have no "Faith" in God, Religion, or any related matter.

In reply to God not possibly being able to be omniscient and people still having free will. Did you take into consideration alternatives to omniscience meaning knowing everything (past, present and future) such as: knowing everything that there is to know up to the present, or having the ability of perfect prediction. Would either of these conditions allow for the Christian God to exist in your opinion?

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen

Originally posted by nj2day
reply to post by asmeone2

 

how are we supposed to follow the word of god without asking questions?

"Let not your prophets that are in the midst of you, and your diviners deceive you... For they prophesy falsely to you in My name, and I have NOT sent them,said the Lord."

--Jeremiah 29:8-9

It is called "Faith", and it is a characteristic which you most certainly lack. If you need to keep doubting, then you have no "Faith" in God, Religion, or any related matter.

You make that sound like a bad thing.
So you use faith to ignore the flaws of your Bible so you won't have the same questions that a skeptic would have?
Sorry, faith just seems like a cop-out to cover up all the flaws of religion...
I guess that's why it's needed .

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen

It is called "Faith", and it is a characteristic which you most certainly lack.

not me i have plenty of faith, i have faith and understanding that this

Delere Auctorem Rerum Ut Universum Infinitum Noscas

is more helpful, useful and downright honest then ΙΧΘΥΣ


faith that one day all people will realise the universe is so much bigger and interesting and facinating and magically then any of thier story books can pretend to come close to

i have faith that one day the people of the world will realise having faith in somthing becasue they cant think of anything better to do or they are to scared to not do is a waste of so many of our gifts

i have faith that people will realise praying is a way to do nothing of help or significance but feel they are so they dont bother to really help

i have faith people will stop running around saying im a follower of jesus and then not acting like it

i have an abundance of faith but im spending mine on worthy casues not imaginary friends

If you need to keep doubting, then you have no "Faith" in God, Religion, or any related matter.

a certain extreme lack of evidence gives no justification to bother with it, and i refuse to listen to anyone who says i should get on my knees and beg forgiveness and feel guity for nothing more then bieng human, Becasue i think us like all life we find on our planet is pretty dam rare as we sit on our spec of sand in this massive universe we and you do life and the universe a disservice with your stories

We are made of star stuff...We are a way for the universe to know itself.

In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way."

If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers.

come out of the shallow end and throw away those floats, the waters lovley and theres no need to be scared of it



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reply to post by asmeone2


I too am on a spiritual quest for the truth and I think that you have to be right. There is no way that the bible of the OT is the same God spoken of in the NT. Now here is the grand question; what happened to the God of the OT?

bloody good post.
if only one had that fancy gun from the new hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.
although that plan could backfire.

The method used here to dicredit the existance of God is an old (very old) exercise used in college Theology courses. The use of it here, in this forum, is both sophmorish and a waste of everyone's time. I would hope that in the future only intelligent, carefully thought out arguments will be presented for the group to discuss and debate. Please refrain in the future from presenting material that pretends to be unique or clever to satisfy one's overblown perception of their intelligence or worth in improving the knowledge level of those around them.

Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by jonah0julian

 

im just wondering if you actually believ that or are just trying to slip as many film references in and see who notices them

Reptiloids dear god that reminds me of my ex wife, I kept an eye on this thread in case Catweazle showed up, and sure enough --------

God is real, true and as revealed in His Word...the Bible. Having circular arguments does not negate that fact.

Man is created free: Man in this instance indicates the whole of mankind. That means that Man, Gods creation, is made free by virtue of His/Her ability to accept or reject the offer of Salvation that God gave in Christ Jesus. That proves "freewill".

God is omnipotent: Because God knows the end from the beginning and knows who will accept or reject Him doesn't mean that He fails in His omnipotency. It means that He allows people the freedom to reject Him. God has a perfect will but also has a permissive will. It is the same concept of our earthly fathers allowing us to do certain things but definitely says "No" or "Yes" on certain other things. That doesn't negate the status of our earthly fathers; it reinforces it.

Predestined: The whole of humanity is included in this. It is Gods will that "all" be saved yet there is also the truth that some will choose not to be. That doesn't negate Gods will in the matter but substantiates the freedom that God endowed men with from the beginning. So, while God does know that some will reject Him and spend eternity lost forever, He doesn't pick and choose who that will be.

The "contradictions" or "errors" that folks tend to point out in the Bible are those of misunderstanding the nature and work of God, not His negation. Faith is an action, not a meandering feel-good kind of word. Some folks have "faith" in the "theories" of Science and yet feel compelled to disregard the Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. In so doing, however, Gods Word still stands true and will be shown of His Children.

My question comes down to this. "HOw can humanity know or hear God, would that God even speak our language, or merely set things forth and let it be.

I have severe dimentia..i mean skepticism for any religious text, even prophecy, because ones goals could be masked as prophecy and set forth in a cult as "scripture".

I have seen the psychedelic, since then I have faith that we return to our previous state as a whisp of energy, and we stick to this planet in another state, like water turning into steam.

When are people going to learn that religion is the biggest scam ever? Religion itself has caused more wars, death and division between humans than anything else.
So, God created the one thing that makes everyone go crazy and kill each other...in his name. lol Some God... he couldn't see the future the day he spoke to that guy in the top of that mountain?

George Carlin put it best:

The Jews understood the object of a blood sacrifice. They understood that the life was in the blood. Jesus was the sin sacrifice for all mankind. The sheadding of his blood covered all our sins for ever. This was the Father's way to bridge the gap that had existed between man and his Creator from the beginning of time. All the animal sacrifices in the world could not wash away man's sin forever. Only Christ's blood could do that. We all became washed in the blood of the Lamb.


Peace,
Grandma