India Under Terror Attack! At least ten people killed in Mumbai shootings: TV (now 125 +)

reply to post by Gun Totin Gerbil


Good stuff yet again. The speculation seems to follow the reports on the ground. I'm amazed at the number of higher level officials being taken out here. It was reported earlier that when the Chief Counter Terrorism officer was taken out, that was an indication they had underestimated their enemy. Then they decided to send in the NSG, three hours late, and with no floor plans of their objectives.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


This is tragic. They are now reporting that there have, in fact, been terrorists that have escaped. They are reporting that the boats were given them by the "Mumbai Underworld"... Inside Job.

They are also reporting that they are planning on another objective right now. Now how would they know that?!

The Headline HERE ibnlive.in.com... keeps showing "LOCALS INVOLVED" and at least one group has escaped.


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Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by Gun Totin Gerbil

 

Good stuff yet again. The speculation seems to follow the reports on the ground. I'm amazed at the number of higher level officials being taken out here. It was reported earlier that when the Chief Counter Terrorism officer was taken out, that was an indication they had underestimated their enemy. Then they decided to send in the NSG, three hours late, and with no floor plans of their objectives.

You know, there is a grim possibility that e NSG cant take it. Therefore, the press is not reporting it. Highly possible given the drastic situation.

Will they be planning to take the city as the next objective?

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reply to post by Jay-in-AR


oh ok.. you were talking about that..

So here's the deal on that.
In 2006 a motorcycle bomb went off in a Muslim area in India called Malegaon.
The investigations for this case have gone on for over a year.
The suspected group(s) are supposed to be right wing Hindu activists/extremists who have opened a new terror bombing wing in 'response' to the Islamic fanatic bombings India has suffered for the last 2 decades; fight 'fire' with 'fire' if you will

The investigation has been handled by the ATS and was headed by the ATS chief that was killed in Mumbai the day before yesterday.

The investigation has been hampered by severe political pressure from the opposition political parties who have a Hindu ideology

The investigation has led the ATS to reason that the explosive material (RDX) supplied for the blasts were sourced from Army stocks by a serving Army Colonel with similar right wing extremist ideologies.
The investigation has got IMMENSE media coverage (due to its alarming vigilante justice/tit-for-tat approach) and links have been made to very senior political party members at high position in the current sitting political opposition coalition.

The Bhonsala Military school is a Military School (K-12 education and rudimentary enfield rifle training, NOT Commando/SpecOps etc.) which follows such right wing hindu ideologies and many key accused in this Malegaon blast have apparently attended that school at sometime or the other.

Now.. this has nothing to do with Deccan Mujahideen, which is a Muslim Extremist terrorist group which has demands like the liberation of Kashmir as a Muslim state (and demand for other independent islamic states in India) and the release of many Islamic militants in Indian jails.

Let us NOT confuse these two incidents and groups because though both are heinous, the ideologies and motivations are VERY VERY different!!


thanks,
DD3

reply to post by Daedalus3


Oh, I see. I still don't know anything about this Deccan group. I just put two and two together to come up with the idea they were just some radical group based somewhere in the Deccan region.
I don't suppose that this could have something to do with this organization and the Deccan Muhajideen simply isn't involved?...

Anyhow, it is looking like, at least partially, an inside job of some sort.

Now Indian TV is reporting that the Terrorists were trained by the Pakistani Army, is the stage being set for bigger things?

I'm starting to notice a pattern with the media though. Occasionally they get these field reporters coming on and giving very nasty news. Then the media goes immediately to someone with "breaking news" that I have heard 20 minutes ago. This thing is very nasty.
They are actively trying to cover up the worst aspects, imo.

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local underworld involved.. ok .. fair enough.. no denying that.. They would need immense logistical support and local help to get this to work..

Do a google for one Mr. 'Dawood Ibrahim'... and see where the trail leads back to.. See where he is apparently hiding in 'protected custody' right now, and check out his links and influence on the Mumbai underworld..


'LOCAL underworld' does NOT mean NO external influence.. PLEASE PLEASE let us read a little before jumping to conclusions..

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
How about the lady that went missing during the attacks last night who's mobile phone has been tracked to Raigarh?

I wonder if her phone was taken by one of the 20 terrorists that escaped. If she has simply fled, I don't understand why she is nearly all the way on the other side of the country in just a short time without contacting her family.

Toi Sabina is the lady's name. I'm not sure who she is, but she sounds important. Anyhow, she went missing last night from the sixth floor of the Taj Hotel. Her room was found ablaze...
Her cell phone signal has been traced to Raigarh, which is quite a ways off to the East. Nearly to Bangladesh.
Well, it appears she is a food critic. Still weird though that her phone has been traced so far away and she hasn't called her family. If anything, her phone was taken by one of the escaping terrorists. On the move towards Bangledesh?

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..it is Raigad which lies to the south of bombay and not Raigarh near bangladesh...it is possible that the mobile was taken to Raigad District by the escaped terrorists by boat as it will not take more than a hour to reach any place in raigad district from mumbai...also by road it wouldn't take more than 3 hours to reach...also a remote possibility is as shes from Delhi and must be on a roaming cell phone which got registered at some MTSO in raigad as the separation between the Taj and raigad is not more than 20 km through the sea...

so the Underworld link is being discussed...well it was what i was talking about yesterday and now even other people seem to be coming to that conclusion...

reply to post by Daedalus3


"The Bhonsala Military school is a Military School (K-12 education and rudimentary enfield rifle training, NOT Commando/SpecOps etc.) "... Oh see, I didn't realize that either. What I had read about it earlier mentioned it as a "college"... Which led me to believe it was more oriented in military tactics (which was also mentioned on the site)... Anywho, many people have asked about the Deccan Muhajideen since this thing started, and unless I missed it, I haven't seen any clarification as to who they are.

It isn't that I'm not reading. I've read more since this thing started than I have in quite awhile. I'm just not sure if what I'm reading is accurate or not. Apologies for mixing two separate incidents, though.

reply to post by bombay2611


I may be off base here, but looking at this from a tactical standpoint, I would assume there is local involvement beyond the logistical stage. I think there must be involvement in the actual attacks as well. The report from last night about the terrorists infiltrating a hospital, drawing in the police, executing the official and then escaping behind them tells me that unless they simply killed every officer that entered the building, they had intimate knowledge of the layout of the hospital.

From what I understand Deccan Mujahadeen would be like saying Oregon militia, it does not sound like a real group. It sounds like some punk with a laptop. The talking heads have pointed this out a few times.

Security officials said it was too soon to make a connection to Pakistan. "It would be premature ... to reach any hard-and-fast conclusions on who may be responsible for the attacks, but some of what we're seeing is reminiscent of past terrorist operations undertaken by groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed," a U.S. counterterrorism official said on condition of anonymity, referring to Pakistani militant groups linked to al-Qaida who have fought Indian troops in Kashmir.

Link

reply to post by Daedalus3


So just where IS Mr. 'Dawood Ibrahim'? According to wiki, he is widely speculated to be in Mali.

reply to post by northwolf


there is at least 2 clues :

*the huge media coverage that seems to be staged in the west

but most of all :

*the organisation required for such operation

and then, the most thrilling one to my opinion :

*the killing of ATS chief is an amazing coincidental clue (to be compared with killing of massoud -potential unifier of afghani people- and/or the killing of wtc security boss for 911); how this guy was killed i'd like to know, and i surely won't buy what the media will sell about that (i personally won't buy anything from the media anyway for now at least)

reply to post by ::.mika.::


there are many reports that have been give out about how the ATS chief had died.
Some said he was killed in the shoot out near Metro Cinema, others said he was killed near Cama hospital where he opened fire at one terrorist but the terrorist shot him back and a bullet hit him in the neck killing him on the spot.

The Last visuals of him being alive were around 11:30pmIST on 26th Nov where he entered the Victoria Terminus with his team, he had head gear and a bullet proof vest on but it all seemed very casual.

Later at around 12:30 amIST on 27th Nov reports came in he was injured, it remaind for about an hour after which he was declared dead.

So it all seems to be jumbled up as there is no clear report on how he died.

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Now they are saying that hostages are being killed in the Oberoi Hotel.
Just five minutes ago they were saying that the place was secure and the Army was trying to coax people out of their rooms. This doesn't make much sense.
Now renewed fighting at the Taj Hotel. Loud explosions being reported outside of but near the Taj.

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reply to post by Jay-in-AR


Your guess is as good as mine..
I would wager Karachi.. He's mostly been there..
But no denying that he would have the means to facilitate the necessities for this kind of a logistical requirement in Mumbai..