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I read all i can read
Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
I struggled with this for some time. At times depressed and elated with the realization that granted absolute freedom, and yet in that freedom at the same time absolutely nothing. What was there to care about if nothing mattered? What was there to happy about? What was the point in even bothering anymore?
What I came to realize is that the realization is only one aspect, that it doesn't always include acceptance and application. When I found these, I realized a simple and beautiful truth.
The key to happiness is simply being happy.
I thought too simple perhaps until it sunk in that as nothing material ultimately matters, I am free to choose. To slip out of the grip of the material world and instead hold it or let it go as I wish. That is to say, whatever we do, we can do it with the knowing that it is not the measure to the goal but rather a way to pass the time we have and accomplish whatever is our heart's tasks. And not to limit ourselves as any task we are given can fulfill the heart if we only listen.
Perhaps you'll see that it isn't so much what we do, as the intent with which we do it. To me the intent means only one thing: To fulfill love in others as much as in myself. Simply balance.
Originally posted by Harman
Liberating in the sense that the human rat-race is not something i have the urge to join for the sake of joining because 'it is the way the most spend their life', liberating in the sense that you get some quiet of mind and another perspective on life in general and other things make a lot more sense, speaking for myself of course.
So to be short, i'm between the beaten path laid down for society as a whole, knowing it for what it is (imo) and a totally happy experience, just past the mental barrier of drinking the reality cool-aid (imo) but in front of another barrier that makes it possible to experience the other one. I feel i'm stuck but cannot put the gini back into the bottle.
[edit on 26-11-2008 by Harman]
So yeah, i'm there but i would love to not only know on a academic level but feel on a soul-level what this is all about. The love i felt and still feel for that other woman is, i think, just a glimps of the feeling to be had when you really break through the veil of this intricately woven interpretation of reality.
Originally posted by Dragonfly79
Originally posted by Harman
Liberating in the sense that the human rat-race is not something i have the urge to join for the sake of joining because 'it is the way the most spend their life', liberating in the sense that you get some quiet of mind and another perspective on life in general and other things make a lot more sense, speaking for myself of course.
So to be short, i'm between the beaten path laid down for society as a whole, knowing it for what it is (imo) and a totally happy experience, just past the mental barrier of drinking the reality cool-aid (imo) but in front of another barrier that makes it possible to experience the other one. I feel i'm stuck but cannot put the gini back into the bottle.
Methinks you traded the material illusion of achieving some kind of goal that makes life worthwhile for the spiritual illusion of achieving something that makes life worthwhile.
So yeah, i'm there but i would love to not only know on a academic level but feel on a soul-level what this is all about. The love i felt and still feel for that other woman is, i think, just a glimps of the feeling to be had when you really break through the veil of this intricately woven interpretation of reality.
Is it really love or just your genes programmed by nature to pass itself on to the next generation? The feeling you get afterwards is just nature's way of thanking you for a job well done (so that it can continue and experiment with creating life) and shouldn't be confused with the sense of freedom brought forth by an understanding or lasting insight of the grander scheme of things. The first is very temporary and given, the latter is more permanent and self-made.
...I got over the 'disdain of humanity' though, i could even drink a cold one with the meanest bastard out there, as long as he/she doesn't eat me of course. You can despair over it all you want but that doesn't help...
Originally posted by Harman
reply to post by TravelerintheDark
That's the spot, exactly. Sucks, but doesn't and the whole nine yards
Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
The key to happiness is simply being happy.
"Damanhur is an internationally renowned center for spiritual research. Situated in Valchiusella Valley, in the Alpine foothills of northern Italy, Damanhur is a Federation of Communities and Regions with over 800 citizens, a social and political structure, a Constitution, 40 economic activities, its own currency, schools and a daily paper." 1 They have a "university that attracts philosophical and spiritual students of all ages from all over the world. They describe themselves as the result of the practical application of a spiritual philosophy in harmony with the environment and our Planet."2
So the problem is, that i (think i) know this whole experience of reality is in itself a mere blink of time in a timeless universe, that there is in fact no goal to achieve than the ones you give yourself. And more of that liberating but sometimes depressing stuff.
Liberating in the sense that the human rat-race is not something i have the urge to join for the sake of joining because 'it is the way the most spend their life'
A Zen Master was asked how his life changed when he became enlightened. He replied “Well, before enlightenment, I would carry water and chop wood. After I became enlightened, I carry water, and chop wood.”
If it all doesn't matter what you really accomplish in your life besides the value you give those accomplishments (wich is purely subjective of course) It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
I read all i can read with learning something new that sounds right and everything i know falls inside the picture i made, everybody is right about what they do, every religion has her given power, every ritual has his (subjectively) given function. And underneath all those self-made rules, dogma's and limits is, well, the workings of the universe doing what it does to help you build your illusion untill your sick of it or it has done it's job to poke a hole in
So to be short, i'm between the beaten path laid down for society as a whole, knowing it for what it is (imo) and a totally happy experience, just past the mental barrier of drinking the reality cool-aid (imo) but in front of another barrier that makes it possible to experience the other one. I feel i'm stuck but cannot put the gini back into the bottle.
At this point i'm open for any suggestion that can help me guide the rest of the way
welcome to the club, yur well on the way to the answers u seek.
To be shorter: I'm in limbo. And even shorter: Crap.
I am not so sure about this. Perhaps happiness lies in our freedom. If a person is stuck in a religion dogma, then this person is not truly happy until he is free from that.
Buddhism has a lot to say about this subject. A person is not truly happy until he or she is free from all attachments. This is one of the most difficult concept to grasp and is probably why enlightenment is so difficult to achieve.