crisis in Russia - war is coming

crisis in Russia - war is coming

www.economist.com

Russia’s economic growth will become a lot more dependent on foreign investments. The optimistic scenario is that Russia’s economic needs will tame its hostility towards the West and that the political system created by Mr Putin and inherited by Mr Medvedev will become more flexible. The war in Georgia makes this scenario less likely than it would have been a year ago. Instead, the self-sustained logic of the Putin regime suggests that Russia will continue to search for enemies both outside the country and within. This may mean more hostile rhetoric and possibly actions in the former Soviet republics which Russia considers its own sphere of influence.

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well, the economic crises will press world powers to start the war. I know that issue was brought here several times, so sorry for starting one more thread on the subject. but I want to ask you which country in your opinion will start the WWIII?

the crises (which is in my opinion will be used to force the Russia, USA, Pakistan or some other to start the war) is the tool that is used NWO to settle finally thier new world government.

but who will be first to make a move?

we have at least few world powers shortly before economic collapse - so what is your bet?

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If I lived in the Ukraine, I would feel very vulnerable right about now.

Putin and his backers want nothing more than to restore Russia to its former might as a military and political power. They will certainly try to reclaim old territory first.

The Russians are fostering new relationships with Venezuela and potentially other South American countries as well. Perhaps Brazil will be next. They are also showing a renewed interest in Cuba because Castro can't live forever.

War always seems to kickstart the economy somehow.With the whole world facing economic instability,it almost points to ww3 as the solution.
I hope thats not the case.
Just my opinion.

reply to post by jibeho


well my friend I know what you talking about. I am from Poland and know that when Russia gets poor it gets also agressive.

but I really belive that the first move can come also from Israel or India or Pakistan. the problem right now is that the rest of the world powers will be happy to join to let people focus on another issues than the economie. greed - it is all about. people will be on the war while their money will be taken. and for that cash they will finance the NWO.

the country to be really in troubles first will be probably the one to start the whole party. but which one is it going to be? I know taht in Russia only last month was taken from the banks almost the 10% of the savings. but US is going down faster I belive.

I get the feeling that a worldwide economic crisis is a tactic of misdirection. Hit people where it hurts and the won't notice anything else. If you hit them hard enough they may actually support you.

Which country has the itchy trigger finger?

I still don't see the benefits of a war between the superpowers, especially when a manufactured war between two other parties with USA being an ally could supply a similarly high level of input and profit.

A direct confrontation between Russia and the USA could be disastrous for all of us and is something neither side would benefit from in the long term. The consequences of this kind of conflict would render any profit or achievement null and void.

I would put my money on the USA starting a conflict between two other nations where their risk of a direct nuclear strike on them as an ally is not plausible.
This could be N & S.Korea, who are already making indicative moves toward an all out conflict. This would allow the USA to come in as an ally to the South.

I guess a conflict between Russia and the USA is possible, and without the use of Nuclear weaponry, but how long would it continue before either side did press the button?
I think we all know that there are a thousand and one things going on that we know nothing about; people in each nation relaying information back, sabotage, development of new technologies, neutralizing methods and so on. But I still don't see a war between Russia and the USA solving anything.

reply to post by detachedindividual


according to the poor information about the NWO plans we can only see one goal of that coming. it is to lower the population on earth to the number around 500 mln. it is what is belived to be the optimal number of NWO citizens. see link:

www.radioliberty.com...

I do tend to agree that our planet has become to populated to be sustained for the long term. and I believe sooner or later we will see something that will reset the number to more managable number. Wether it is the supposed NWO or mother nature herself i dont know. But i do believe sooner or later the earth will set the number right for us if we dont blow ourselves up.

reply to post by Trayen11


I prefer that mother nature will deal with it. in that case each one of us has more less the same chances. when it will be NWO, only the choosen by some dark power will do. and it might be the evil who will run the earth afterall....

reply to post by czacza


Well speaking purley for myself I have never been one to buy into the NWO, NAU theories. I have researched and looking into things as much as possible with the spare time I have, and I just cant see any actuall solid prrof that either will ever take shape.

Myself I believe more that the earth itself will cause something to fix the problems us humans have done to her.

Never underestimate mother nature, sooner or later she will have enough

reply to post by Trayen11


Hey dude, I am from Ontario as well and I hate to admit it but Harper signed the NAU bill thingamadooey.This might actually happen.
Their either tightening the beltstraps on us or they are gonna help the economy.
We shall see.
P.S. Go Sens go!!!!

Putin is nothing more than a reincarnation of Hitler. Read the history of Hitler's rise in power and his actions, from reputable sources outside the internet, and the comparisons are striking.

Russia has a vast supply of natural resources that are for sale. They had a major income stream with high oil and gas prices. These markets have collapsed in both demand and price. They have large loans to repay and no way other than to dump other resources on the market. They hold the largest supply of diamonds in reserve along with tons of gold. If they start selling these, watch the reaction of the world's markets.

A war would solve nothing, the economy would still be down and millions would be dead on top of it. That would be a reset button on this problem, but it raises whole new problems.

the title is misleading , mods please correct the title of the topic

reply to post by hinky


you are completly right. the war will not solve the problem. especially in Russia. and it is not why I belive they would start with it. the Russia by giving all the possible resourses on the sale will dump the prices and in fact will loose double. the goal of war is to put people some levels down so after all they will be nothing more but happy for saving their lives. no more thinking of new cars or bigger houses or bank accounts. no riots, no hopes and no claims. sheeps all over.

and someone will be a winner in economical point of view as well. the wars in the past gave always a lot of opportiunities for some to get the gold mine.

reply to post by sadchild01


sorry for that. it can be misleading in fact

(Saw someone mentioned a nuke)

The problem with nukes economically speaking is that you nuke an entire nation you have just

1. Reduced the number of people,

2. The amount of money changing hands reduced

3. The amount of people who can generate money globally reduced

4. Would also nuke any trade agreements with other countries against the tactic

5. Countries who made money with the nuked nation would then also become your economical enemy

6. The government firing a nuke this day in age also risks being taken out of control by it's people for worry their country will be retaliated against by the destroyed nations allies.

7. Nuclear submarines, off the coast of the country firing the initial nuke, would be ordered to fire on them from the remaining politicians in a bunker underneath the ground.

8. If multiple nukes from multiple countries started launching the UN would be dissolved and any trading under the UN cloak would be discontinued. Hence no one in power and no one with money. At this point anyone with gold, paper bills or coins will be worth nothing because food and water will be priority and bartering would now be the system of trade. I can eat a potato but not a gold rock.

In economical terms just 1 nuke would destroy the entire economy for the entire planet. If it is higher powers and all about the money controlling the planet. Then a nuke will never be fired.

There would be no need for a world wide population control scheme or some other 2/3 wipeout so the world can contine scenario had government and all of the participating world's space programs had done the right thing back in the day and continued to reach outward into the solar system.

With all of the elements and resources out there to sustain humanity for the next billion years, and had the initiative and drive by the people had kept up and presisted on reaching for the stars, the human race would be spread out and there wouldnt be all this rediculous wars over oil that no matter who wins the war, will run out, and there would be so much more industry, jobs, wealth, technology, freedom, advances, so many things that would make the notion of some plan to control and reduce population, an idea that would not even be considered because there would be no reason to do such a thing, nor would there be conflicts over territory because space is very big, plenty of room out there for each individual on this planet to have their own planet!

But NOOOO.....money and power/control freaks decided to divert the human destiny to this mess the world is in now.

What does the public want out of all this eh? Do any of you realize that the power is truely within the public domain? Well it is. Instead of cowering in a corner and crying about collapse this and NWO that, why dont the people of this planet begin to demand, not beg, DEMAND the changes that will really change humanity's destiny!

And it aint going to be found in more holes in the ground for oil either!!! So dont even go there with that stupid idea!

Suggestions are welcome. But frankly its quite simple. Write your elected officials, go to their offices, talk to them, call them, email them. Be presistant, be diligent, and be civilized about it.

The opportunity to make the change doesnt reside in some over glamoured individual thrusted up into the seat of power as president, the real change MUST begin with each and everyone of us.

Being an armchair loafer munching on chips and banging away at a keyboard all day and all night isnt going to solve anything and certianly wont help this new elected individual to bring about the change that really should take place.

As he stated in the victory speech...."It will take ALL of us to make the change happen".

It doesnt take a slide rule to understand that.


Cheers!!!!




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[edit on 26/11/08 by JAK]

While a distasteful thought, what the world really needs is something to level the playing field between countries that compete economically.

As it stands, that 'field' is tilted dramatically in favour of countries that do not have the same standard of living to which we've become accustomed.

The populus inhabiting the axis of countries comprised of China, Russia and the developing nations do not have the same standard of living as the U.S., Canada and the 'developed' nations therefore costs of production are lower there resulting in the outflow of dollars. The 'effect' of that 'cause' is the reduction in employment and thus disposable income to spend on the products manufactured abroad.

The less manufactured, the less jobs, the less use of petrochemicals (also exacerbating the problems in Russia), the less money to support the jobless . . .

It all boils down to there not being enough to go around, predominantly due to the unlevel playing field.

So . . . it is time to level the playing field and cull the herd . . . to reduce the jobless numbers, to reduce the need to manufacture, to reduce the drain on governments to support the jobless who can't afford the products and . . . you get the sense of a problem that can only get bigger and bigger until it envelopes every country on the globe.

The best way to cull the herd, level the field and create an atmosphere conducive to rebuilding the global system is . . .

Global war.

The seed have already been sown.

reply to post by GoalPoster


this is not an easy truth about the world economies. it is not possible to make the world systems coordinated without putting all on one platform in first place. it was possible to run it for some time when the bussiness was much more real and not too complex. now you can locate the money in few seconds on any stok around the globe. it is the perfect enviroment for the speculations but makes the bussiness sooner or later impossible to go forward cause of "bad" and virtual "money" in use.

but it is also the goal for of NWO. they need one monetary system, same rules. and how I see it - it is almost a must now if only they still want to keep the global deals and trades to continue.

but I see the darkness behind this coming order ans enslavement for all of us. would it not be more funny to turn away and go back to the times where the money were coming behind the real values as products or real services?