Afghan Teacher Wants Attackers Burned With Acid, Then Hanged

Originally posted by dalan.

Originally posted by Andre Neves
Eye for an eye. Definately for it.

Severe Penalties = Lower crime.

[edit on 11/26/2008 by Andre Neves]

Actually, stiffer penalties=abuse of the people.

Wanna get rid of crime? Building a dictatorship will not help....

so having harsh sentences is a dictatorship now???? wow

Originally posted by Swatman
that wasnt the point i was making. lol. the point i was making was, if you tell the people that they will be punished for talking on the phone, it will deter them.

This is only true to a certain extent. Otherwise, why isn't the aforementioned $100 fine working? The reason the headset law is working so much better is not just because it's threatening people with punishment. It has much more to do, I think, with the fact that people are being guided towards an alternative solution.

if you tell someone you will spray acid on them if they do it to others, you can bet that 99% of it will stop

I wouldn't make that bet. These people have sick, twisted reasons for what they do. Do you think they're just doing this for fun? I'm sure many of them get a sick enjoyment from it, but rest assured that, alone, is not a good enough motivation for the vast majority of these crimes. Why do they do it?

I suspect it's because they truly hate the people they're doing this to. They WANT them to suffer. They don't care whether or not you want them to suffer equally. They don't have any empathy for them. Most of them are not going to understand the errors of their ways by being subjected to their own tortures.

It's true that consequence deters crime. That's why law enforcement works. But even if your suggested course of action "worked better" to prevent this sort of thing than the law practices we currently uphold, it doesn't change the fact that you're throwing acid on somebody.

I can't understand how you can say with such conviction that an acid attack like this is such a terrible crime, and then turn around and pick up a bucket of acid in your own hands, and start looking for a target that fits your own criteria.

[edit - fixed a detail in my reference - previous post was about a $100 fine, not a $1,000 fine]

[edit on 26-11-2008 by Magnus47]

What a shame.. Looks like the handy work of Gulbuddin Hekmatayr.is nickname is the Engineer.He is a wanted man is this is his M.O..Im sure his followers may have carried this out with him being the mastermind. He has close ties to Osama bin Laden.. Hope they get this coward!!!

reply to post by dalan.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

I was hoping that someone would say that. I was going to post that.

It will only make things worse.

Let's say that you are allowed to do the same to the perp what he did to the victim. What's to stop perp's father from doing the same thing to you? After all, you did this to his son, so in his eyes, you are the perp who inflict pain on his son.

And so on and on. Where will it end?

I agree with Jesus. Turn the other cheek.

Originally posted by Kailassa
Feeling does not necessarily mean a physical experience, and
the fact that I am not advocating vengeance for vengeance's sake does not mean I am advocating vengeance.

You suggested pulling out a criminal's eyes, or removing their organs, or peeling off their skin, while they are still alive. I do not support this, no matter who it is you're planning to mail the eyeballs to. And that is very much a "physical" experience.

If there's some detail to your message that I am just missing here, then I apologize. Maybe that '___' idea you're supporting could have some merit, I really couldn't say. But from what I can see, you and I have very different opinions about action and consequence.

[edit on 26-11-2008 by Magnus47]

Originally posted by Magnus47

Originally posted by Kailassa
Feeling does not necessarily mean a physical experience, and
the fact that I am not advocating vengeance for vengeance's sake does not mean I am advocating vengeance.

You suggested pulling out a criminal's eyes, or removing their organs, or peeling off their skin, while they are still alive. I do not support this, no matter who it is you're planning to mail the eyeballs to. And that is very much a "physical" experience.

If there's some detail to your message that I am just missing here, then I apologize. Maybe that '___' idea you're supporting could have some merit, I really couldn't say. But from what I can see, you and I have very different opinions about action and consequence.

[edit on 26-11-2008 by Magnus47]

I've had skin peeled off to help a family member who needed a graft.
An acquaintance has donated a kidney to a child who needed it.
There was no vengeance involved, merely a need to help someone.

I'm not suggesting anyone should have these things done in an inhumane manner. It's not a question of vengeance, it's a question of logical consequences. If you intentionally commit a crime you should have to make amends, just as a country which attacks another country, (and loses the war,) is made to do.

If intentionally committing a crime blinds someone, you make amends by giving your own eyes to enable another blind person to see.
If you intentionally kill another person, you should make recompense by giving another person life.
If you rob a person, you should be under house&work arrest until you have paid back what you stole.

I don't believe in locking a million people up in prisons.
Recompense and rehabilitation, although not necessarily applicable to all cases, would be a better solution for many and cost the state less.

There's alot of posts that I could quote in reply to, but it would take up too much room. But I'd like to say that I'm in full agreement with Magnus47 with one of his posts on this page.

I do not think that these criminals, in this particular case, are capable of learning the value of other human beings. People like them generally do not see value in a person unless that person is in full agreement with them. That is why they threw acid on those women. Unfortunately there are many others like those criminals. When you take into account the issue that they they have quite a bit of anger and hate towards women in general, and women make up approximately 50% of society, how is any punishment going to change their minds? I don't think anything that is done to them will make a bit difference in the end. They have way too much hate and anger towards women to be useful in society anymore. They've proved that beyond a doubt with their actions.

What about the other innocent victims of their crime? The people who have to support their life term in prison? How is this fair to the people of a society who work and toil throughout their lives, while way too many people who have proved themselves unable to be safely allowed in public sit in jail for generations, the working people have to pay for that.

A life sentence in jail hurts people. Throwing acid on the criminals would, in the end, hurt the person doing it, even out of revenge. After a FAIR trial, those criminals should be put to death. End of story. It's a pointless and meaningless thing, to put them in jail for 25+ years. Jail "should" be for rehabilitation. Without the hope of rehabilitation into society, they're just "taking up space."

reply to post by Swatman


Wow. What a sad story, not to mention infuriating. Although I believe in being tough on crime, the eye for an eye vengeance style justice is not the way to go. However, it's impossible to understand the anger this woman is experiencing or to judge her for it until we've been in her shoes. Her desire for vengeance is a very human feeling. Justice most likely won't come as she wants it to but I can at least understand why she feels the way she does.

I think they should lock them in a room with the girls Fathers for a while. Turn a blind eye while the Fathers do as they wish to them. I can't help but think what if that was my Daughter.


Freedom Fighters my butt, the next time someone refers to them that way to me, I will projectile vomit on them.

I would not worry about their human rights as they are not really human or men for that matter. Throwing acid on schoolgirls is something no human could do. They are pigs.

Originally posted by Raustin
Man I am sort of on the fence here. I really don't support torture but in this case throwing some acid on these * snip * seems tempting. I say hang em, that should suffice. As far as the post by PT, what would you have the punishment be? I'm assuming you think these animals could be rehabilitated in prison and then released into the mainstream population. Sounds real rational.

Governments need to grow a pair and get harsh on deranged individuals like this. I am so damn sick of seeing criminals being coddled.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Raustin]

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I don't think they should be hung.

The punishment should fit the crime. Just add more acid until the only pain they feel is caused by the eternal flames of the place not called heaven.

[edit on 11/26/2008 by maria_stardust]

Originally posted by Magnus47

Originally posted by rikk7111
should that mean they should just walk away scott-free?.........There are times to turn the other cheek, but there are times for punishment as well.

I agree completely. Every crime demands a consequence, but what seems to be the popular proposal in this thread is that criminals be subjected to the very crimes that they, themselves committed. Without a system of law enforcement, trial and punishment, we would be living in a state of total chaos and anarchy. I am by no means suggesting that criminals be let off "scott-free."

What I am suggesting is that we do not throw acid on people.

King James Bible

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1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.

Thank you for these references, they are a good support of your argument. However, I will respond with some of the Biblical quotes referenced in the Wikipedia article I linked to:

Matthew 7:12 "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Luke 6:31 "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise."

Leviticus 19:18 "Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself."

Perhaps this is a sign of some degree of inconsistency in the Bible, or at the very least, the ease with which quotes like yours or mine might be taken out of context.

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[edit on 26-11-2008 by Magnus47]

Context matters.

Scripture verses obviously referring to actions of government (crime and punishment, etc.) should not be mixed with verses obviously referring to personal actions.

You wouldn't combine the verse that says "Judas hung himself" with the one that says "Go thou and do likewise", would you?