Litvinienko - Putin or Mosad behind the Litvinienko's death?

Litvinienko - Putin or Mosad behind the Litvinienko's death?

www.timesonline.co.uk

But traces were found in the office where they had met Litvinenko and on their seats in the plane that brought them back. Mr Lugovoy claimed that this demonstrated that the polonium-210 had originated in Britain and not Russia, as Scotland Yard claimed. “We wanted British police to pay attention to this, as the traces lead not from Russia to Britain but vice versa,” he said.

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well, for some long time I was thinking why the hell Putin would be interested in killing Litvinienko? the only reason could be to show all other possible traitors how much they have to pay for it. but it made a lot of harm to Putin's bussinesses worldwide and he would know this to happen.

today is the second year as Litvinienko is dead. this was a great guy who showed the world the truth about the Putin. the truth which is only comparable to the 911 issue. the Putin has killed more of his country mates in few happenings than Bush in WTCs. there were hospitals, theatre, school attacks and Moscow houses destroyed. look link below:

www.freerepublic.com...

and the last thing I want to protect are the Russians. the only terrorist who survived the Moscow thearte attack is in Putin's administration now. Putin is a murderer. it is a fact.

but it is easy to find out the winner of the Litvinienko's death is Israel only.
they have the possiblities (Mosad) and reasons (there is a huge conflict between the russian-jewish oligarchs and Putin and he took over their multibillons worth bussinesses from them).

after the Litvinienko death Putin lost a lot of money, good contacts with the other world leaders (especially in UK) and was forced to show better attitude for the oligarchs in and outside of the country.

but the main reason I doubt the Moscow involvment in the Litvinienko's death are the following factors:

- the traces found in the Moscow-London planes!? I was tolking to the military specialist and he confirmed that it is not possible to leave that traces without wanting to

- killing Litvinienko abroad? why the hell they did not killed him in Russia as they are killing all others uncomfortables? noone would never ask them who made it and why?

- Litvinienko traveled just before poisoning to Israel and after that journey found that his mission to the world is to get muslims and christians closer. he even decided to become muslim and christian at the same time. it could make Israel angry...

I am really interested what is your opinion about the whole issue.

www.timesonline.co.uk
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Where in the article does it say anything about the Mossad? It says the Russians feel it was MI6. Trust me Im one of the first to blame the Mossad for things including 9/11 but I do not think they had anything to do with this guys death.

reply to post by mybigunit


well, it is not wriiten there. in fact I never saw it written anywhere. I was making some small study of the issue and watched some movies and I just found it quite possible. the article is only showing that it is probable that there is someone other than Russians behind Litvinienko's death. and it is my opinion that MOSSAD can have some links to it.

logicaly, the biggest beneficiants are mostly responsible for the events. so is 911 and I belive so is here.

but obviously I can be wrong

british MI6 killed him ! the russians were about to kill him but british injected radio active bactaria ! and thats the end of him !

this guy was selling russian top secret documentions to the british MI6, and MIN3

good his dead that pice of trash should've have been finished 5 years ago ! triator

reply to post by czacza

this was a great guy who showed the world the truth about the Putin. the truth which is only comparable to the 911 issue. the Putin has killed more of his country mates in few happenings than Bush in WTCs. there were hospitals, theatre, school attacks and Moscow houses destroyed.

litvinchenko ? no , hes way off the hooker , he even accused Putin of being of paephile and homosexual


it was Boris Kaglitarsky , a writer in zmag , had given details in regards to this ... Boris bereozsky ,Yeltsin and some of his aides were responsible for the 1999 moscow apartment bombings that killed 300 , which was used to bring Putin to power(thinking that Putin would be a obendient puppet,but well , he turned out to be too smart for the NWO pawns to control) . after that ,Putin threw Boris Berezosky , the jewish oilgrach who in control of mafia and very rich , yes ,putin used it for gaining power , but the other acts of terror , were definitely not FSB caused .

this was a great guy who showed the world the truth about the Putin.

the truth of Putin has been exposed by several extremist parties like Edward Limonov , the leader of NBP, and former Soviet colonel Ivan Krutov , a leader of a underground technocratic movement ,
Putin was initially a puppet at hands of Berezosky (who was responsible for putin rise in power, though Putin overthrew him)



[edit on 23-11-2008 by sadchild01]

reply to post by sadchild01


I belive you have not seen a documentary about the Litvinienko. he and his 2 mates from FSB (ex KGB) made a video in which they actually gave evidence of Putin's plans to kill Bierezovski and FSB involvment in the "terrorist" attacks in Moscow.
Litvinienko deceived his mates and broadcasted the tape on russian tv. his collegues wanted to keep the tape for security reasons as they rejected to follow the orders.


Litvinienko had nothing to say anymore. he was not a danger for FSB as the source of any evidence against Putin. the killkig him by Russians was illogical. Putin is a gangster too.

even today the polish and georgian presidents were almost shoot at the russian boarder.

but I completly agree with your statement about Bieresovski. he is an evil guy too. the problem is that Putin is not the better solution for Russia. and world. he will follow the NWO but only the other mafia will benefit from it...

Originally posted by czacza
today is the second year as Litvinienko is dead. this was a great guy who showed the world the truth about the Putin.

What did he show the world? More than half of what he claimed was bull#, and even the Brits believed it was bull#. What little he knew about Putin and FSB operations came from other sources - which he claimed to have contact with. At the time he ran away - Putin was only starting to ascend to power, and Litvinenko couldn't have known much.

Litvinenko was an attention whore, and he is very good at that. But to FSB and Putin he was nothing more than an annoyance. Even if the he was killed by the Russians, he deserved it. You can't expect to betray an intelligence organization like FSB, and hope to get away with it without having to look over your shoulder for the rest of your life. I am sure it is the same with MI6, Mossad, and CIA.

Originally posted by czacza
the truth which is only comparable to the 911 issue. the Putin has killed more of his country mates in few happenings than Bush in WTCs.

Whatever happened during those apartment bombings is still not clear, and might never be. But how was the deathtoll there more than 9/11? What are you talking about?

Originally posted by czacza
there were hospitals.

Wrong.

Hospitals were never bombed. There were hostages taken in one hospital by a well known Chechen rebel commander. There is no debate - that was a genuine terrorist act.

Originally posted by czacza
theatre

Wrong.

That was a well documented terrorist act. How was Putin responsible for it? There is no conspiracy theory. The rescue operation was botched by the internal forces - that's about it.

Originally posted by czacza
school attacks

Wrong.

Well documented terrorist act. Most of the deaths occured before the internal federal forces had time to intervene. How the hell do you manage to blame Putin for that?

Originally posted by czacza
the only terrorist who survived the Moscow thearte attack is in Putin's administration now.

WTF are you talking about. Are you implying that Putin organized the hostage-taking terrorist act?

Originally posted by czacza
Putin is a murderer. it is a fact.

And so is every other leader of a large nation that has ever taken part in military operations. Most of 90's era Russian oligarchs, high-profile politicians, and siloviki are also murderers. That included Litvinenko and Berezovsky. What do you think Litvinenko was doing before he ran off to UK with his tail between his legs?

Originally posted by czacza
but it is easy to find out the winner of the Litvinienko's death is Israel only.
they have the possiblities (Mosad) and reasons (there is a huge conflict between the russian-jewish oligarchs and Putin and he took over their multibillons worth bussinesses from them).

Are you implying that either Berezovsky, Abramovich, or Khadarkovsky had ties to Mossad and the Israeli government? Please elabarote.

They were nothing more than power-hungry oligarchs that got too rich and too greedy for their own good. They ran their "businessed" and mafias for themselves, not for Mossad, Israel, or anyone else. The only thing they could have seeked from Mossad was protection once Putin started rooting them out. Even if that happened, Mossad likely turned them down for fear of provoking worsening relations with Russia.

Originally posted by czacza
after the Litvinienko death Putin lost a lot of money, good contacts with the other world leaders (especially in UK) and was forced to show better attitude for the oligarchs in and outside of the country.)

Putin's actions against the oligarchy were not altered. By that time all of the Yeltsin-era oligarchs were already gone, so obviously there was less activity already. As for money - he who has oil is king. Putin couldn't care less about what some Brits thought, and he still doesn't. In the grand scheme of things, Britain doesn't matter all that much to Russia.

Originally posted by czacza
- killing Litvinienko abroad? why the hell they did not killed him in Russia as they are killing all others uncomfortables? noone would never ask them who made it and why?

He ran away from Russia after turning against the FSB. Had he not made it out then (likely with help from Berezovsky), no one would have ever known he existed. But I doubt any FSB chiefs lost sleep over him. Litvinenko talked alot, but he in fact knew very little.

reply to post by maloy

ok, you made your point. It is pretty obvious that you Russian and I find it normal and patriotic to reply like this.

but what you are putting here is just following the mainstream info you do learn from your russian media. the theatre thing is the best example for it.

to belive that it was a chechens behind is a proof that you are completly blind my friend. they are gangsters, but they had no goal and no sources to prepare such a complex action. and please try to look some documents on the theatre produce outside of Russia so maybe you will find a little more.

I will try to find for you some links to it.

reply to post by czacza


I'll help you

Putin's Russia

The savagery of Russia's actions in Chechnya is not news, nor is the highhandedness of its intelligence services, nor the cynical way Russian politicians and businesspeople mix money and politics. But Politkovskaya, one of Russia's most stridently indignant journalistic voices, has a way of driving the point home with passion drawn from concrete, personal stories. She takes the reader from a distant observation point into the barracks or the courtroom or the street where the deed goes down and then through the tortuous labyrinth where it is consummated, blessed, or concealed. Most of the book is about, as she says, life in Putin's Russia, not Putin's role. Still, she asks, "Why do I so dislike Putin?" and answers, because of his Chekist mentality, his "matter-of-factness worse than a felony, his cynicism," his small-minded pursuit of power -- and, most of all, because, by guile or indifference, he presides over a Russia slinking back toward its Soviet past.

Reviewed by Robert Legvold, Foreign Affairs, May/June 2006

A searing portrait of a country in disarray, and of the man at its helm, from “the bravest of journalists” (The New York Times) Hailed as “a lone voice crying out in a moral wilderness” (New Statesman), Anna Politkovskaya made her name with her fearless reporting on the war in Chechnya. Now she turns her steely gaze on the multiple threats to Russian stability, among them President Putin himself.
Putin’s Russia depicts a far-reaching state of decay. Politkovskaya describes an army in which soldiers die from malnutrition, parents must pay bribes to recover their dead sons’ bodies, and conscripts are even hired out as slaves. She exposes rampant corruption in business, government, and the judiciary, where everything from store permits to bus routes to court appointments is for sale. And she offers a scathing condemnation of the ongoing war in Chechnya, where kidnappings, extrajudicial killings, rape, and torture are begetting terrorism rather than fighting it.
Sounding an urgent alarm, Putin’s Russia is both a gripping portrayal of a country in crisis and the testament of a great and intrepid reporter.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by rixhell]

[edit on 24-11-2008 by rixhell]

Originally posted by czacza
reply to post by maloy
to belive that it was a chechens behind is a proof that you are completly blind my friend. they are gangsters, but they had no goal and no sources to prepare such a complex action. and please try to look some documents on the theatre produce outside of Russia so maybe you will find a little more.

Oh I looked at all possible documents, opinions, and documentaries. They are freely available in Russia to those who bother to look for them - even those by the most critical Western sources.

The rebels who took part in the terrorist act are known and have been documented and identified. Their names and origin is known. Their leader was a rebel warlord, who filmed himself inside the theater with a message to the authorities. The dead bodies of the hostage takers have all been accounted for and positively identified by several sources.

The separatists had a goal - the goal was to call attention to their cause and to make the federal authorities listen and negotiate with them. If that failed, at least they had a chance to get attention from the West - which they succeeded in doing.

The operation was no more complex than your average hostage taking - and the rebels could have prepared for it with no problems. Moscow's security at the time has been lax, the theater had no guards and no barriers to entry. The building was easy to barricade in, and did not have many access points. The firearms and explosives used were widely available to the rebels.

There was nothing overly elaborate about the terrorist act. That explains why the internal forces stormed the building with such ease, without any resistance (after the gas was used). Unfortunately some idiots in command of the forces botched the whole rescue operation up, by not being adequately prepared to treat the gassed victims, and not notifying the ambulances and medical personnel ahead of time.

That was a major embarassment for Russia, and made the authorities look bad. If this was an inside job as you claim, why couldn't they organize it better? In such case they could have been thoroughly prepared and looked like heroes after the whole thing ended.

I am sorry - but you are dead wrong about this being an inside job. This is the first time I heard this claim, and it is false. Same for the Beslan school seige.





The only "inside job" claim that has some credibility is the appartment bombings in 1999-2000. But again, there are conflicting sources on what little proof there is, and there was too much chaos to tell what was really going on or even who was in charge of what (Putin was just coming into power).

Even then, I heard independent reports disputing that FSB carried these acts out under authority from leadership. It is very possible that the FSB agents who were caught with suspicious materials (used in explosives), were actually corrupt agents working for the separatists. FSB was undergoing restructuring and was in disarray. There were already a lot of corrupt agents and officials who have been bribed by highest bidders, including the separatists. Maybe FSB or GRU did have an investigation and arrested the double-agents if that's who they were. Who knows. FSB is very secretive about its internal matters, and has never disclosed any of its interal trials, investigations, and findings.

There is no conclusive evidence that any of the terrorist acts in Russia in 1990's or 2000's were carried out by orders of the authorities. There are opinions, rumors, and speculations. They should be taken into consideration, but they should not be used to form a point of view on the Russian government.

reply to post by rixhell


yes, Politkovska was the real Putin's enemy and she payed for with her life.
it was in fact what Litvinienka was trying to investigate as well. he has fininshed the same way.

but anyway still has doubts who was behind his death...

thanks for your comment.

reply to post by maloy


I give you some links to this and other stories:

www.ibidem-verlag.de...

www.freerepublic.com...

and please watch the documentary :

"AKA Rebellion: The Litvinenko Case" (2007)
directed by Andrei Nekrasov

check it out and we speake later on the topic. take care