The Antichrist Exposed!

Originally posted by iesus_freak
Is it the ROMAN catholic church or just the christian church altogether that you say is the antichrist

The roman catholic church is the first beast, but not the only beast. I'm sure there are churches that do not follow or teach such things, those would be an exception of course. But even outside the Roman Catholic church these things still remain. Look at Mainstream America, not Roman Catholic, but still follow the same model.

It would be foolish to paint with a very broad brush and lump all churches and christians into this. ATS has in itself proved by a few posters that not all are like that.

So what it really is about isn't so much the "church", but rather those who follow a strict interperation of the bible. Meaning, they only see literal meaning, and not the understanding given behind it. If you look at the bible, you will see Jesus called these people Pharisee's hypocrites. We see people today who do the same thing with the bible, and they are obvious hypocrites.

n. 1. Pharisee A member of an ancient Jewish sect that emphasized strict interpretation and observance of the Mosaic law in both its oral and written form.
2. A hypocritically self-righteous person.

At one point, Jesus says there will be those who will call themselves jews, but aren't really jews. In literal terms, this would only apply to the jews of today. However, as christians did not exist at the time, and as jews followed Jesus, in understanding it applies to christians today. And so on.

The similiarites between the churches and leaders Jesus dealt with, and the churches and leaders of today are very striking.

Ya know, I've got a fair question.

Can I be reasonable, logical, and *still* not be damned to the eternal lakes of fire?

That's all I want to know!

Originally posted by ATS4dummies
Ya know, I've got a fair question.

Can I be reasonable, logical, and *still* not be damned to the eternal lakes of fire?

That's all I want to know!

Of course, that you can't be is just another thing of the church teaching against Jesus.

Jesus tells people - seek and you will find. He tells you the truth will set you free. The rich man in the eyes of god is not the man with the gold and power, but the man with knowledge and understanding.

Originally posted by iesus_freak
reply to post by Mabus

 

just a theory but could Yeshua have told them to tell no man so they would?

i mean... if yoou want to see people walk on your grass, put a sign out that says DONT walk on the grass!

sa 53:1 Who has believed our report? And to whom is the arm of Jehovah revealed?
Isa 53:2 For He comes up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form nor magnificence that we should see Him; nor form that we should desire Him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and abandoned of men, a Man of pains, and acquainted with sickness. And as it were hiding our faces from Him, He being despised, and we did not value Him.
Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our sicknesses, and He carried our pain; yet we esteemed Him plagued, smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His wounds we ourselves are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have each one turned to his own way; and Jehovah made meet in Him the iniquity of all of us.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a ewe before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from justice; and who shall consider His generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living; from the transgression of My people, the stroke was to Him.
Isa 53:9 And He appointed Him His grave with the wicked, but He was with a rich man in His death; though He had done no violence, and deceit was not in His mouth.
Isa 53:10 But Jehovah pleased to crush Him, to make Him sick, so that If He should put His soul as a guilt offering, He shall see His seed; He shall prolong His days; and the will of Jehovah shall prosper in His hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see the fruit of the travail of His soul; He shall be fully satisfied. By His knowledge the righteous One, My Servant, shall justify for many, and He shall bear their iniquities. (By his knowledge he shall JUSTIFY)
Isa 53:12 Because of this I will divide to Him with the great, and with the strong He shall divide the spoil; because He poured out His soul to death; and He was counted with those transgressing; and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for those transgressing.

A few points regarding this "Foretelling of Christ" that you might want to rethink.

a. He has no form. This comes from Ayin and means "NON Entity". Christ is either Made manifest into the flesh "meaning inhabits" not having form himself or he doesn't exist.

b. He is sick. This is in regards to moral sickness not physical sickness. He is mentally ill, plus it pleases god to make him sick.

c. He was taken from prison and Judgement. I don't see born of Mary there, I see prison and judgment. If only he can redeem only he can destroy...same as anyone, everyone....to the least of these you've done unto me. We are in prison folks...Religious prison called Confusion and Babel.

d. By his knowledge...not by his death, by his knowledge he shall justify/correct/even/balance....give life and more abundant now not in the future or heaven...now always. "Why worry about tomorrow, todays worries are sufficient.". "Today if you will hear my voice and turn..." Today always...now.

c. "but if he should make his soul a GUILT offering"... Guilt offering...as in Guilty. Opposite of innocent, guilty convict...who is taken from prison and Judgement.

God doesn't change, or become one man. Christ knew this, why don't christians. I and my father are one...because with out him...i am none...true for everyone who is God of all the living. OF THE LIVING, is God.

Peace yall

[edit on 23-11-2008 by letthereaderunderstand]

When you say he is sick. Doesn't it say that it's our sins(iniquity) and such that make him that way? That he is a whipping boy of sorts. Hated and scorned by men of sin, and facing the injustices/prison of them.

Originally posted by iesus_freak
reply to post by Incarnated

 

look, the bible has only MINOR changes to it. the more we critically study the bible, the more we realize its reliability, especcially the most commonly used texts like torah and pauline epitles, ESPECIALLY the bible

the changes in the bible are not enough to take away from its ancient and original meaning.

of course , if you are a non scientific christian you could always ssay that G-d would not allow the texts to be changed.

I dont think its so much the changes, although they could be considered more than minor, anyways, I think it has more to do with what was left out of the bible than what was changed about it. The original message was hidden, and when you read it, its easy to see why. However I can agree, that yes, the changes are minor, but major enough to make you wonder what they are not telling you. For me it was the realization that word is initially LOGOS and that had me thinking the entire story was not being told simply due to the depth and nature of the definition of LOGOS, and then I come to find that Lo and behold, the Nag Hammadi peels back a whole plethora of explanations.
If you read the bible with a preexisting knowledge of eastern philosophies and or religions, youre statement that the changes are not enough to alter its original meaning, may reign true, but if not, it could be taken a completely different way until one came to read the DSS collection.

reply to post by psychedeliack


Actually jesus_freak is well wrong. The "Changes" in the bible are major and sweeping. First off the OT of the bible doesn't even belong to the jews. It was compiled out of stories that the jews plagiarised and hacked up during their time in babblon. And althought it could be argued that's where the jews truly came from, they spun those stories into a nationalistic doctrine of superior humans through a false "chosen people" theology.

Next we come to the christians that stunk up the true and meaningful story of the living and human son of God with mythology from several other spiritual belief systems of the time.

My friends, the bible is well nigh fake! That however doesn't make the worth any less, however if you judge worth by truly finding God for yourself, then the bible is near worthless.

god is in all the hearts and minds of his peoples and this is true. the bibles written, are books of control of the peoples of god. we the peoples of god, in the flesh are flawed and jesus forgave us for all our sins because he knew of this, all sins. now,... since i do not believe in bibles, but i do beleive the facts were changed in them, so thus i am part of the heart and soul. so beleive in you for you are the free spirits in society, those who do not believe in the bible. you are the few, the warrriors of the house of the lord, the free spirits. i beleive in a god, one and only and life to be non ending, learning in the spirit world. the here, we come and go, live and die, in different bodies and learn in different situations, so our spirit, soul may learn to achieve greatness in the eyes of god. to achieve , you must learn , to learn you must make mistakes, to make mistakes you must sin. in time you learn to achieve greatness in the eyes of god. jesus knows this, this is why he forgave us for our sins.

Originally posted by Incarnated
reply to post by thinkerbel

 

Religion and spiritual understandings of the planet are in a stepping method. The creator son of God has now come to this planet and he is known as "the christ". That step is been established. Therefore any one the preaches a doctrine of a "new" form or way of religion that trys to take a step down and away from "the christ" is an antichrist religion.

For example: if a religion says that "Oh Jesus was misunderstood, he wasn't a the son of god but he was just a prophet, and here is another and final prophet" then that religion is the religion of antichristhood.

Hitler tryed doing something like this where he tryed to establish the german people as the heads of rulership over the world. That's why Hitler was known as an antichrist.

ok.. and thats your opinion!.. A strong Anti-christ is the one who strongly disagree with all jesus's teachings right? not to question the teachings of the chruch which is of course manipulated anyway.... the word is STRONGLY DiSAGREE... not stepping away with the teachings...
and anti-christ i believe is not a religion!!

The beast is not going to be anything supernatural. Its not a demon but a human spirit/personality gone bad.

I think the evil douche bag is going to come out of these systems.
The trilateral commission and CFR.They have a douche bag in every major powerful organisation.
Among them is your president and staff.

Take a look at this logo. Looks like 666

Guess this makes me an Antichrist???
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Rich